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Philxylina

Posted: Oct 15, 2009

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Ok, so I am a licensed massage therapist and in California draping is a requirement. However this goes against the whole nudism thing. If I don't drape then I could loose my license if I do then I feel like a hypocrite. In addition to this I feel often times that draping separates a professional massage from a more sensual/sexual one. So this is my conundrum. What are everyone's thoughts on this?
Draping is taught at all massage schools, and is required by most official licensing authorities. Each area's massage board wants to be certain that no licensed massage therapist even gives the appearance of offering any sexual services, because so many people still automatically equate nudity with sexuality.

But those draping rules apply only if the therapist is charging for the massage. If no money is exchanged, then no business is being conducted, and no one's massage license can be rescinded. If the massage is free, then no draping is required. Both the giver and the receiver can be completely nude, and both will enjoy the session much more.

When I was in private practice, I gave most of my massages and all of my massage workshops in nudist resorts. Everyone was perfectly comfortable with nudity, no draping was needed, and I could remain as nude as my clients and my students.

Now that I'm retired, I still give massages and massage lessons with no draping, so everyone is comfortably nude. The only difference now is that all the sessions are free. In the home Suzanne and I recently bought in warm and sunny Naples, Florida, I keep massage tables both indoors and outdoors in our secluded garden. The year-round mild weather and the total privacy permit nude massages anywhere on our property, even in the middle of winter.

Group members should write when they expect to be visiting the Naples area, and we'll arrange for your free nude massages or lessons.

RandyM4u

Posted: Oct 22, 2009

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I am going through Massage Therapy school right now in IL.
Everyone says to drape, drape, drape. Being a nudist I'm afraid of telling anyone at the school because they may assume the wrong reasons why I wanted to be a massage therapist in the first place.
So far I'm really enjoying it and getting comfortable in draping procedures. I may even have a knack for it because several people in class, including the instructors, said I have good hands and I've already helped a couple people with pinched nerves and muscles with spasms.

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Tanline

Posted: Nov 22, 2009

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I've received massages from many different LMTs (all of them female) over the years. Even at nudist resorts, they have all remained clothed and at least minimal draping is usually utilized. I believe this is to remove any suggestion of impropriety from the transaction. Laws may vary from state to state but, as Peter said, when money changes hands certain regulations must be observed. It's a pity, because the absence of a drape allows the LMT to engage in long, sweeping, uninterrupted full-body strokes that raise the level of pleasure and relaxation for the client.

One excellent Florida masseuse I visited often started off working on me typically draped, as we were in a spa and she was following their rules. Eventually I struck up a personal friendship with her and graduated to receiving massages when I visted her home. Within that private setting, knowing I was a nudist, she allowed me to forego the draping. She always kept her clothes on, and nothing even remotely sexual ever occurred. But as we got to know each other better and became more accustomed to the arrangement, I took to walking around her house freely nude both before and after the procedure, occasionally enjoying a hot pre-massage soak in her garden tub while she sat on the edge of the tub and chatted with me. She got so used to seeing me naked that it became no big deal. It was like having my own private nude mini-spa! In warm weather she even worked on me in her backyard; if you've never received a professional massage sans draping while the sun and breeze caress your body and the birds are chirping nearby, you don't know what you're missing. Yes, money was still exchanged, so she may have technically been violating some laws. But I have always appreciated her willingness to bend the rules and allow me such a delicious experience over and over again. We live in separate states now... and boy do I miss her!


UPDATE: In 2010, I (along with several other men and women) received an outdoor massage with no draping from a clothed female LMT during a small gathering at a naturist park in Georgia. And in 2011 & 2012 I attended a large gathering at a nudist resort in South Carolina where quite a few women and men (including me) were being massaged outdoors, sans draping, by male and female LMTs who were also nude. I shan't name any names since some laws may have been circumvented... but I sure hope to see more of it in the future.
Found out the other day that Texas does not require draping. now to find someone who would do a massage that way would be great.

JW

Posted: Dec 22, 2009

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I do massage in North and South Carolina and they both require draping. However, I also do massage at Whispering Pines Nudist Resort in NC and I don't drape when I work there unless it's too cold not to. I don't know what the licensing board would do if they found out, but I have received massages at other nudist resorts with no draping, so I figured it was okay. I always wear at least a wrap around my waist though when working.

Gary

Posted: Jan 2, 2010

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Draping appears to be a necessary evil for the LMT. For me, as a person receiving a massage, it is very annoying. And yes a massage outside in the warm summer sun is about as good as it gets!
BTW if anyone needs a person to practice on I volunteer.
Cheers
Gary

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Brian

Posted: Jan 2, 2010

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I asked a massage therapist this question at a nudist resort, and here is what she told me.

She said that she asked her "instructor"(?) ... or someone in the know ... and he said that draping would follow the local custom. Since the custom in the USA is to drape, it is generally required. But since nudity is the custom at a nudist resort, that no drape would be required there.

Nudists are a sub-culture of society, so to me it would make sense that drapes would not be required to meet our cultural requirements.

But, I'm not the law... just what I've been told.

And to add to that... I have had massages at nudist resorts in California and Florida, and there was no drape used in either location. However, they insist on the drape on Princess Cruise Line. :(

Philxylina

Posted: Jan 9, 2010

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I just wanted to thank you all for your feedback. I really appreciate it.

HarryC

Posted: Mar 19, 2010

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My experience at Kiva in Santa Cruz is draping is required if done within a building, but not used outside (person being massage was able to decide); I went without draping when weather permitted massages outdoors.

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FireProf

Posted: Mar 19, 2010

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I've had a total nude massage and partially covered massage, both at nude resorts. At one resort the client is nude and the other resort...the masseuse placed a wash cloth over my pubic area.

There are many different rules and I guess it depends on the client and the masseuse. I now get massages regularly at a salon and have built up a repour with this person and although I'm draped...I am more exposed than I thought I would be in "this" type of situation.

We've become friends and maybe that is the key. Once a masseuse and client gain each others trust and confidence...the drape can be minimized or disgarded for a better massage and experience.

Our friend, who is a masseuse at the nude resort, can't come to us regularly...too far. Our local masseuse and friend lives nearby and is willing to take us on as private clients and I think once she comes to our home...we may be able to have undraped massages. She's also agreed to teach us both some techiques so we can give each other massages in between sessions with her.

I think the masseuse and client need to be honest with each other and the masseuse needs to be completely trusting and confident that the client isn't going to report him/her and risk their license being pulled.

When imagining the ludicrous situation of a nude man being massaged still needing a little washcloth over his pubic area, I can almost hear the derisive laughter of people in the more enlightened countries around the world. America's puritanical attitude about the nude human body leads to just such preposterous images, comparable to the "pasties" that used to cover just the nipples of nude dancers.

No part of the body is obscene, and no part of the body needs to be covered--especially when the rest of the body is nude and receiving a therapeutic massage. We can only hope that eventually all massages can be conducted in the nude. Until then, we massage professionals who never bother with draping our clients will continue to give them greater benefits than they can receive from the more traditional therapists.

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FireProf

Posted: Mar 19, 2010

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The funny part about that...she was twisting and pulling my arms and legs enough that the wash cloth kept falling between my legs so she finally just tossed it on the floor! Why the hell didn't she do that in the first place!?

I know rules are rules but...everyone at this resort was naked, except for the staff, and you walk into the Spa naked. You walk into the massage room naked and lay on the table and then she draped my pubic area! Makes you shake your head!

The upside, that I haven't had elsewhere...they have you take a steam before, then shower, towel off and then go into the massage room....very nice.

Fla_sun

Posted: Apr 12, 2010

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Most places don't have an issue when I say the drape us not necessarry. The therapist usually states it may be the law but if I remove it they won't put it back, or they'll 'get around to it later' wich is usually right before they leave. I've only had two therapists force the drap issue.

Joachim_1957

Posted: Apr 14, 2010

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I am a licensed therapist in Texas, where draping is optional as long as both the therapist and the client give their consent. I provide each client with a form explaining the rules and let them indicate on the form whether they want full draping, minimal draping, or no draping. Almost all men prefer not to be draped. Women are more likely to want draping and will often keep their underwear on until they are more experienced and comfortable in receiving massage. When they feel safer and more relaxed, they are more likely to want to be nude and undraped.
Never had a regular massage before. I now really understand what draping is all about.

I started Massage school this week, i am exstatic, but it sure is a real eye opener on the draping issue. It, draping,in my opinion, is entirely wasted time and effort. I understand the boundaries issues and wanting to keep everything above board. But, Wow it is a total hassle and time consumer. That time could be better spent doing massage and concentrating on the body and the therapy that we are trying to administer.

Eyes wide open, now. I'll keep you posted on my progress. Man we nudists have the right theory.

aquashizen

Posted: Jan 22, 2011

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though not a CMT myself, i've been fortunate to learn and trade with friends/partners who are licensed. in this format, trust is established and , as no money is exchanged, the issue of draping vs full nudity for both giver/receiver has not been a concern other than working in a indoor/outdoor space that is warm enough to remain natural.

when i have paid for the massage from licensed therapist, i always respected the rules and wishes of the practitioner.

like others i agree, it should not be a major problem in naturist/nudist setting. even in that environment if the giver chooses to be clothed or lightly covered it no big deal.

of course, personally, i prefer to be totally free and undraped, ambient temperature permitting -- as long as the provider is comfortable, clothed or otherwise, is fine as the good loving vibes flow, regardless.

barefreedom

Posted: Jan 22, 2011

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North Carolina, Texas, California and other states I have reviewed do not require draping. It is sometimes required to be provided but leaves actual draping at the choice of the client. The idea that states require draping is a hold over from local licensing that somehow thought that prostitution would be avoided if the naked body was draped.

Many Therapists even assume draping is in Massage Association Codes of Ethics.

Many people simply assume draping is regulated. What is regulated is that no sexual acts shall be performed during the massage.

Draping is mostly an assumption based on community standards.

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dbo

Posted: Jan 25, 2011

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In the state of Oregon, the massage therapist is required to demonstrate proper draping technique in order to pass the licensing exam. As has already been mentioned, an amateur giving a free massage is not subject to massage regulations such as draping, so this is one solution to draping issues.

Since so many people are uncomfortable being nude while receiving a massage, another alternative would be to use a body-work modality that does not require disrobing, such as shiatsu. I prefer giving a shiatsu instead of a regular Swedish massage -- Shiatsu is more meditative for me, and I am not distracted by draping issues. And people are relieved when I tell them they do not need to disrobe to get a shiatsu. (However, some people will take their clothes off to get a shiatsu, and you can give a shiatsu nude if everyone is comfortable with that.) Shiatsu is easy to learn, if you just use the basic technique, and don't focus on specific acupressure points. In the shiatsu technique I use (mother and child hands), the "mother" hand stays in the same place for a period of time, while the "child" hand moves from place to place in a line up/down the body. I typically use the palms of my hands, which is a firm but gentle touch. It is simple, yet profoundly relaxing and energizing. Also, it does not require investing in a massage table. You can give a shiatsu on the floor; just make sure there is some padding. I have a mini-futon that works great for shiatsu.

TexasnNewd

Posted: Jan 25, 2011

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In Texas where I am a massage therapist the law basically says..gender specific areas must be covered ... the state prefers sheets...my problem is that simply due to location my clientel over the years has become international... and not everyone is happy with Texas laws both male or female...soo if they want a massage without the sheet they simply sign a form stating that I have explained the law to them and they are requesting a nude massage with no sexual intent involved..they sign and date it...I sign and date it and away we go...and for those who live around my clinic many simply pay an up charge fee and I go to their home ...Texas law stops at the door step period...having had the good fortune of working all around the world it is amazing to me how the rest of the world is far less inhibited than the good ole USA...Rick

Riverkilt

Posted: Jan 29, 2011

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I learned massage at my nudist club. Received my first massage at the old Elysium Fields - never any draping. I do recall the challenge of learning to "drive the sheet" and learn draping in massage school. I enjoyed mixing nurturing Esalen massage with therapeutic massage. Found I could still drape but expose the entire half of a client's body so I could do those luscious long strokes from toe to shoulder without interruption. So had the legal requirement of draping met, but still had half a nude body undraped to work magic on. Backside of course.

So, its possible to have the bare skin needed to do great massage and still have required draping. Just work one side at a time.

Luke1

Posted: Jun 1, 2011

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Hi,, I am retired from massage now but still do a lot of massages and trades. I'm in TX where they don't require draping so I am lucky there. When I had my practice elsewhere it all depended if the massage was on a friend with no payment exchanged and then if they wanted nude,, no problem.. I think if your doing it for fun or a trade with no money exchanged it would be hard for any state board to say anything but if money is exchanged then your bound by the laws of the state your in. But then only if someone complaied or reported it.

barefreedom

Posted: Jun 18, 2011

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Luke California does not have a draping regulation. Nor is it required in most states. Sometimes the regulatory statement "draping must be provided" confuses people. It only means that you provide it and it is the choice of the person being massaged.

I was lucky to attend the Hawaii-Festival in Germany where 220 Lomi practitioners were exchanging massage indoors and out for three days. It was amazing.

Nudesuncpl

Posted: Jun 18, 2011

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After about a full year of getting massages from my therapist, and talking to her about nudism, and getting progressively smaller "drapes" -- down to a hand towel folded in fourths -- I finally convinced her to forgo the drape and just give me a damn massage! No erection, no so-called "happy finish" -- just do the massage and don't worry about it! I'm finally getting a nude, no-nonsense massage. It's great!

couple85390

Posted: Jun 18, 2011

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where do you get your massage???? AZ

Nudesuncpl

Posted: Jun 19, 2011

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Sorry, I've already divulged too much.

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FireProf

Posted: Jun 19, 2011

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I think what we nudists need to do is to develop our a trust with a massuese on our own, first, then take it to the level that you and the massuese are comfortable with.

We had such a trust with a massuese we met in a salon. After going to this young woman for over a year and being nude but covered...she became a friend and the draping became less an issue.

While in the salon...we were still draped but there were times that I was exposed more than I thought was permissible. She even mentioned that I needed to relax and not worry about it.

She left the salon and has taken us on a private clients and it is up to "us" how much draping there is. Cooler days...it's nice to have a slight drape to stay warm. Warmer days...no draping but the massages are the same whether draped or not.

She is now having some health issues and may not be able to continue with this trade. It's now time to find a new massuese and work on that trust with a new person.

The absolute BEST massages I've ever had was at Club Orient on St Martin/Sint Maarten...at the Spa! Our friend and massuese is amazing...she is also a nudist. NO...she isn't naked when she is working but I think she'd prefer to be. She wears minimal clothing so she's able to manuver and she is a fantastic therapist. If I could afford it...I'd have a massage each morning or evening!

And...NO Draping...but lots of good communication!

:)

barefreedom

Posted: Jun 19, 2011

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Fireprof why waste so much time? Being in the industry I think you should explain yourself when you book your first massage and see if it is acceptable. It is strictly a matter of the Therapists fears. If they are state certified in California, there is no requirement of a drape. It is choice. Since I dislike the moving of the sheet I select Therapists that will use a small towel or no drape. Happy hunting.

Nudesuncpl

Posted: Jun 20, 2011

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I agree with FireProf. It takes time to build up a trusting relationship and convince the therapist you're not suggesting anything sexual.

I've convinced three different massage therapists to eliminate the need for draping, but it's always been after a number of visits in which we casually discuss the subject of nudity, usually with me beginning the conversation with something like, "Well, my wife and I have both been nudists for years . . ."


Fla_sun

Posted: Jun 29, 2011

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I've gone to Caliente spa and had a great massage there (therapist clothed even at nudist resort) and would like to try the massage table by the pool sometime. It is odd that state paw allows nude resort to offer massage but "requires" draping at massage table. My therapist had no objection as long as I did not do or ask for anything out of line for a therapeutic massage. I'll be back when I can get there.

barefreedom

Posted: Jun 30, 2011

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Fla_sun, could you find the Florida regulation that requires a drape. There are very few state laws that make it mandatory. I couldn't find this information online. I often get in debates with therapists about the draping issue and usually can point out that te law does not actually require a drape be used. Where it is mentioned at all, it usually is stated "must be provided". In legalese this means offered to the client and left to the client's choice. Unfortunately most Therapists don't understand legalese and perpetuate misunderstandings they pick up at school. It is more a culture issue than a legal issue.

Nudesuncpl

Posted: Jun 30, 2011

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I have looked and NEVER found a Florida law that requires draping, and had a continuing debate with my massage therapist who always said that was the way she "learned it" in massage school. She could never find anything in writing, and I finally convinced her to do it my way. If anybody knows of a Florida law that requires draping, I'd love to hear about it.

terry727

Posted: Jul 11, 2011

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I live in UK and where I have been for a massage when it said NATURIST massage it would mean just that with both being naked and no worry if I should get hard during the massage as it was just accepted and the massage continued, if not siad to be NATURIST massage given it would then mean only I was naked but draped if it wqas given by a person/s I know well then sometimes the drapes were left off. I give massage and do if ASKED use drapes but usually find a massage is best given without drapes as it stops any gaps in the massage be given also does not end upi with towels/drapes covered in oil.
All to ones own likes/dislikes as to use of drapes.

TexasnNewd

Posted: Jul 11, 2011

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A portion of my practice deals with sports and therapeutic massage. It is interesting that in Europe where I have licences to practice as well , people have a choice to be draped or not to be draped and by in large most people prefer not to be draped...even in Hawaii if you recieve a Lomi massage draping is usually very very minimal or non existent..however in the contiguous United States , most states mandate that draping will occur giving the client no choice what so ever...unless you are working in a private home then the laws stop at the front door in most states...

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jimshedd112

Posted: Jul 22, 2011

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I've just been approved to join this group. I've read the many comments regarding draping. I've never had a nude massage (always draped except in the Phillippines when I wore undershorts and nothing else). NOTE: I wasn't a nudist then.

However, I am ALWAYS nude under to drape, whether it be a blanket or towel, and would love to be able to go totally nude if the massauese were comfortable with the idea.

Jim

Robert_M

Posted: Jul 23, 2011

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Jim, I can't tell you what massage therapist to see in the Las Vegas area, but I have been to a couple of licensed therapists who were okay with nude massage after multiple visits, once they trusted me, and knew I wasn't looking for more. Alternatively, you can take your chances with an unlicensed therapist, many of whom will offer undraped massage, and more. But you can always get the nude massage, without accepting the offer of "more".

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jimshedd112

Posted: Jul 23, 2011

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Thanks Robert. I'll steer away from the unlicensed massueses. Being nude beneath the drape is not bad so I'll probably have to just continue along those lines for the forseeable future.

I only get massages infrequently anyway on special occasions with my wife.

Jim

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tennis_nude

Posted: Jul 26, 2011

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Draping is always a dilema for nudists because we operate on the premise of "I just didn't feel like getting dressed today". And coming from a medical background for 37 years parts are parts!

Fl is very stringent on their rules but if you are not charging for a massage then the state and local draping rules do not apply. If the client tips you then you are still not charging for the massage and the client has a right to do what they wish with their money. Government has not regulated that yet. There is a limit as to the level that government can intrude on your personal liberties in our nanny state.

The main goal for the rules is to curb prostitution and to keep the massage industry professional and above board. I regularly exchange with another nudist and draping is non-existant. Question to ask is if both parties are comfortable with no draping and the client discards the drape then no harm is done and you still can remain professional. Sex is never an issue with a therapist and if it becomes one with either party then the professional relationship needs to be severed.

Just my opinion that is not meant to cause angst to anyone who has already given their opinion.

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tennis_nude

Posted: Jul 26, 2011

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In Florida, the law states that one may work on an undraped client as long as there is informed consent. That said, everything else comes down to comfort.

So the real question has to do with comfort and what everyone is comfortable with. Nudists are obviously comfortable with their bodies so no draping is legal in FL with both parties consent.

Nudesuncpl

Posted: Jul 26, 2011

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Hello, tennis_nude,

Can you please cite the section of the Florida statutes that deals with draping? I haven't found anything on that subject.

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tennis_nude

Posted: Jul 29, 2011

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Rule 64B7. Florida Administrative Code Massage Practice Act.

64B7-30.001 Misconduct and Neligence in the Practice of Massage Therapy.

(5) Failure to appropriately drape a client. Appropriate draping of a client shall includ draping of the butocks and genitalia of all clients, and breasts of female clients, unles the client gives specific informed consent to be undraped.

This was formerly 61G11-30.001, amended 9/14/98.

I had to go through the 10 hour FL laws course to get licensed in FL. I could only find this buried under the penalty section of the code. Obviously they don't want the informed consent readily found or practiced. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to have the consent included on your general consent form so you are covered.

Hope that answers your question. Thanks for asking about it.

barefreedom

Posted: Jul 29, 2011

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Thanks for doing the work Tennis_Nude. It probably would be a good idea to have a check off under "I give my consent to allow the Therapist to drape as indicated during the course of my massage". then follow it with yes and no check off boxes next to the following statements. "I request that my chest/breasts be uncovered" yes/no "I request that my buttocks be left uncovered" yes/no "I request that no draping be used including my genitals" yes/no

That should satisfy consent.

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jimshedd112

Posted: Jul 29, 2011

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Great information Tennis_nude. The suggestion about including it on the consent form is a great idea.

I wonder how many other states have such laws they don't want to become widely known lest people start to ask for no draping during massages.

The Nanny State drives me crazy sometimes. Adults should be able to make their own informed decisions.

Jim
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tennis_nude

Posted: Jul 29, 2011

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All great ideas for the consent form. Glad I could help. I agree with you on the Nanny State. Those who try and run it should be under the care of a nanny themselves! Lol.

Well anyways, good enjoyable massaging.

Paul

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jimshedd112

Posted: Jul 30, 2011

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Yes, Tennis_Nude,

The Nanny State has served to "protect us from ourselves" to the point of eroding many of our rights and taking away personal responsibility.

While there are certainly good reasons for law and order for the good of the whole far too many laws have been instituted by a few who want to push their viewpoints onto the majority, thus taking away our rights - to drape or not to drape during massage being one of them.

I think draping should be a decision between the massuese and the client - nakedness does not automatically mean there will be sexual contact, as the laws were written to indicate.

Jim
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barefreedom

Posted: Jul 30, 2011

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Jim there are actually very few states that require draping. What the laws do is ensure choice is given to the client. If there were not so many people anxious to make money off of law suits, consent forms for this and many other things would not be needed. They are primarily to reduce the court work load and protect from I said you said frivolous law suits.

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FireProf

Posted: Mar 30, 2012

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After months of searching, asking others and just about ready to give up...we found a massage therapist that will take us on as clients and is mobile!

I was in my favorite watering hole and talking to the female owner. She knows we are nudists and occasionally will ask questions about the lifestyle and the various clubs and resorts.

I explained that I was in desperate need of a massage therapist to come to the house and take me on as a client. She told me about her massage therapist and gave me her number. I made the appointment and anticipated her arrival!

Yesterday morning she arrived. I was in lounge pants and flannel shirt. Our fake fireplace was lit and the room darken as much as it could be at 11am. We talked for a bit and then she told me to disrobe completely while she used the restroom and washed her hands.

I stripped, got under the tie dye sheets and she came out of the restroom asking if I was ready. We talked, getting to know each other, for the first half of the massage. She began to use some techniques she learned while living and practicing in Hawaii. While I listen to hawaiian music playing in the background...she gave me a great massage.

I remained somewhat draped but there were times when I was again exposed more than I thought "she" would be comfortable with. Afterwards, she went back into the bathroom to wash her hands and I got up and walked into our room to get my robe. She came out of the bathroom and we talked quite a bit about in home massage, her techniques, her teachings and ... the trust factor with your therapist.

Our next session will be in a couple of weeks. At that time I will tell her that we are nudists but I'm sure she's aware of that and probably is more comfortable about that than I think. She's an older woman, heavy set, hippish and was obviously braless wearing a tie dye t shirt. We are going to hit it off just great. She seems very comfortable with me and I with her. It's now time to get the Prof onboard with scheduling a session and get the "trust" factor in place for some outside, naked massages under the patio cover in the summer!

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FireProf

Posted: May 16, 2012

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Since my last post, I've had another massage from our new therapist. We've talked in depth about each other and are getting to know one another well.

Though I'm still draped during my massages, she has become more comfortable, that I am comfortable, with my body being less draped than the first session.

After my session I was sitting on the couch and we were talking while she packed up her sheets and table. I sat in my robe and when she was done and she had returned from her car for her money, I had walked up to her, at the front door and handed her the envelop. My robe was slightly opened and she didn't bat an eye. I grabbed it and closed it when I realized it.

We hugged and she said she was looking forward to our next session. She was and is a little apprehensive about going to homes with males home alone. She's a tough gal and could probably hold her own but she is still cautious and sometimes gets nervous. After I noticed the robe slightly open, I apologized for being exposed and she said ... "honey, I've seen more of you on the table and will be seeing more of you so don't worry about it." I really appreciated her maturiy about that.

I asked her if I made her feel comfortable and she said, "yes, I feel very comfortable around you and am glad you've become a client." She stated that she can tell when a guy is into the massage and not just concentrating on where her hands are. I'm so enjoying her complete massages and the fact that she's not afraid to massage my entire gluts. So many therapists are so afraid of massaging the entire buttocks and only massage the hip.

I'm so glad to have found this woman and know we will have a long relationship and friendship as the sessions continue. She's even noticed the backyard and patio and stated that in the summer we could do the massages outdoors if I want. I'm hoping the landscaping we currently have planted will grow substancially so if we do decide that undraped massages are in our future ... she will feel comfortable enough to do them outside with ample privacy.

I'm truly lucky to have found this woman and I feel fortunate that she is mature, professional and honest about so many things and is willing to discuss openly her life and ours without reservation and or prejudice.

:)

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jimshedd112

Posted: May 16, 2012

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Fire,

It sounds very positive. I hope things will continue to progress in a positive direction.

Jim
FireProf is lucky to have found a masseuse who suggests that future massages can be conducted outdoors. Our visitors are always given the choice of getting their free nude massages either in our home's massage studio with soft music and candlelight, or in our half-acre garden amid the tropical flowers.

My wife Suzanne and I keep massage tables both indoors and outdoors all year long. Thanks to the perpetual mild climate of southwest Florida's Gulf Coast region and our property's total privacy, we and our visitors can always enjoy all kinds of nude recreation outdoors here, even in the middle of winter.

Between massage sessions, everyone can always skinnydip in our heated pool in comfortable 90-degree water, sunbathe nude in our secluded garden with no chance of offending any non-nudist neighbors, and hang out nude in our clothing-optional home, making music, singing songs, playing games, and sharing pot-luck dinners.

Men and women who would like to get massaged either indoors or outdoors here can go to our profile to see all our photos and send us a message. Let us know when you might be in Naples, Florida, so that we can schedule your free nude massage session, send you our home's street address, and have the massage oil warmed up in time for your arrival. Suzanne and I look forward to hearing from you soon.

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paladin

Posted: Jun 7, 2012

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I never gave much thought to the rules regarding draping. But I thought I would post about my experiences. I had a young lady that went through my youth ministry and decided to become a stylist and a masseuse. She had me write various letters of recommendation as she went through the process. When she received her license, she surprised me with a gift massage, due to my continued support of her. She asked me to get undressed; I did and wrapped a towel around myself. As I got on the table she took the towel off and did not drape me, thankfully she remained dressed. It was a little odd, since I had known her since she was a child.

At one of the nudist resorts we visit there is a young woman that gives wonderful massages. My wife treated me to a massage for Father’s day a couple of years ago. When it was time, the woman came out of the office completely nude and took me to the massage room. She did not drape me then and has never done so since. Sometimes she remains dressed, which she jokingly complains about, but she may have other duties to perform. The three of us have grown comfortable with each other over time which makes the massage experience all the better.

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FireProf

Posted: Jun 9, 2012

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Our good friend, who is a masseuse and a nudist, has stated that she would prefer to do massages, where she works, in the nude but that in many circumstances ... it's better not to because some of her clients are new to nudism and she feels it's better to remain clothed and not give them the wrong idea or impression.

I think that's smart! :)

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FireProf

Posted: Jun 28, 2012

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I haven't posted in a while with an update on my new masseuse and the incidental/accidental exposing when I walked her to the door.

She's called and asked how I was and I told her about my surgery and upcoming surgery so we put the sessions on hold for a few weeks more.

I like that she's at least staying in contact!

:)

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FireProf

Posted: Apr 9, 2013

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Still have not had a massage from my therapist in a few months. I'd like to call her and make an appointment but ... even though she seems fine with my nudity, our nude lifestyle and didn't flinch at momentary exposure during our last session ... I'm not really sold on her technique.

I'd love to find another mobile massage therapist that has a different technique ... but also is okay with nudity. The two we've become friends with and are also nudists ... one is in the caribbean and the other in Palm Springs. Can't get to either place quickly and they both aren't mobile massage therapists! hahaha

:D

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tennis_nude

Posted: May 11, 2013

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I am looking to exchange nudist massage in the Orlando area. I am a licensed therapist and need the relaxation and healing as well. Hope to hear back from local nudists.

barefreedom

Posted: May 11, 2013

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I started going to a massage place nearby. I explained that I am more relaxed without them continually arranging the towel as they work. I asked if it isn't a problem would they not use the towel. They were fine with it. I was more relaxed and there massage improved being able to do long smooth strokes on legs and glutes without replacing the towel. It helped getting them to agree knowing I'm a massage instructor.

If you are interested in the drape debate between therapists and how most of it is myths perpetuated;http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/draping-versus-no-draping?id=2887274%3ATopic%3A102187&page=14#comments
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