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Absolute Naturists Home Nudists: Walking the Talk
| I may be stepping on a holy grail here, but I often get a little frustrated with self-described Home Nudists who pontificate ad nauseam on the joys of nudism and yet will not attempt to step out of the confines of their own home to enjoy real nudism. If they at least made an effort to go to a clothing optional resort I could buy into the step by step theory. In many ways it sounds more like a mental or even sexual fantasy not based on the sound premises of naturism. Your thoughts please. | |
| I agree with you sunbunny. As one who started to learn about the true joy of naturism circle 2000 it was not until I stripped at a beach in 2007 that I learned what it really was all about. So prior to 2007 I could be considered a home (or closet) nudist. For those of you that this statement applies to maybe this is the year you put on your To Do list is schedule time and go to a beach or resort. The Beach probably would be a good place to start especially if you do not have a membership with AANR or TNS. Most resort/camps have events in the first week in July for people to attend without being a member of these fine organizations. | |
| Interesting subject. I have often made the comment about someone coming on this wesite and not posting pics or keeping their profile private. While I do understand the vulturistic nature of men, I certainly do not understand when men are the ones that keep a private profile. Women, I feel so sorry for, in this situation because of men who get crazy. Leaves me with questions and apprehensions to even approach people to be a friend to. For the most part, my wife and myself only get out on a few occassions per year, but we go big, like the cruise to Hawaii (clothing optional, not me, nude all the way). But I can't figure out why true nudists would worry so much about even a clothed pic being posted. To me it is walking the walk. Enough of me, but we want friends who go out and do things. When we get to Arizona, weekends will be filled with outings and our house will be open for good clean, alcohol free nudist parties. So let's everybody get off the couch, or out of the house. | |
| I go to an unofficial nude beach in the summer.I hand out TNS and AANR stuff to people going by or staying next to me.It is technically illegal but if more people go nude it will be more accepted IMHO. | |
| hojo, why do you think it is illegal to hand out AANR information? | |
| Hojo I was also confused as to what you were saying was illegal being nude at a unofficial nudist beach or handing out info on AANR and TNS. If you get into a discussion about the wonderful world of nude recreation and talk about two great organizations that advocate in the interest of nudist/naturist there should be no problem. How ever if you were standing at the entrance to the beach maybe there could be a problem. Just not sure. | |
| I don't think it's illegal....here's why. The beach, like a street corner, is a public place. How many times have you been handed a pamphlet on the street corner? No one's ever stopped and arrested anyone from doing that...so I don't think it's illegal to hand out pamphlets/literature at a nude beach. I know I have with the Friends of San Onofre Beach when Marianna Handler was still going down there. She'd get tired just from the walk down so I would take some of the pamphlets and hand them out. | |
| It does sound like Hojo's statement was either misstated or taken out of context. In either case, I think we are getting a little off the point of the topic. I think your points and comments to Hojo are well intended but how about getting back to the main subject which is: self-described Home Nudists who pontificate ad nauseam on the joys of nudism and yet will not attempt to step out of the confines of their own home to enjoy real nudism. In many ways it sounds more like a mental or even sexual fantasy not based on the sound premises of naturism. Your thoughts please. | |
| Let me give you a possible number on how many Smokey. I posted a Nude In Public topic here on Absolute Naturists some time back. The intent was to share stories that occurred and were probably funny. That post has been viewed 1,543 times and growing. The total posts back have been 21, ONLY 1.36%. I commend those who have contributed, they get it! NUDE IN PUBLIC is a website that beckons pervs and voyers to join and pay the website to anonymously get their sexual fantasies satisfied. Is there a correlation, I think so. I do not visit the chat room much because invariably there will be a man with the webcam focused on his genitals or obviously stroking himself. When a female comes on, the first questions are usually "are you naked?" or "are you single?" or "can you turn your cam on?"... and what is the point of that. Pretty easy in my estimation. I would tend to believe that the majority of these are the Home Nudists, hence my frustration. | |
| I agree with Sunny,I was taken out of context.I hand out the pamplets(legal) but I am NUDE on an UNOFFICIAL,OUT OF THE WAY BEACH.The risk is that I am nude and tecnically I could be arrested .Hope this helps and Im hoping more like minded people would do the same. | |
| Sunbunny, What is real nudism? Why is it better to feel the sun on ones nude body at a resort than in my back yard? I have had the luxury of experiencing a nude cruise, resort, beach and love them all. It doesn't matter if I am alone or not, or in mixed company or not. I was stuck in my yard for over a year before I broke outside the confines of my fenced in yard. BTW, it is free too! The main reason for visiting the resort is that it gets lonely sunning solo in the yard. (Wife approves but doesn't join in) | |
| Nudism/Naturism, as many of us feel it is, is partaking in being nude with other like minded people. It's coming together and forming a community in person, as opposed to a computer screen. You can be whomever you want, post a picture of someone other than yourself and talk about all the places you'd like to go but...if you don't get outta the house and visit a beach, at least, is that really being a nudist? There are tons and tons of people that are naked in their homes but never venture outside or partake socially in nudism and will tell you point blank..."I'm not a nudist." I have to agree with them. I don't think "nudism" is just liking to be naked...it's about joining in on the social and community aspects and sharing that with others that do the same. There are so many new people (mostly men) that join these types of websites everyday. Some are here for one purpose and one only....to see pictures of naked women, to join chat rooms and talk to naked women and as SunBunny stated....get online and video chat with a naked woman (hopefully). You find out quite quickly when you moderate sites that so many are there for the wrong reasons. One site I moderate has a 10 post minimum before you can gain access to the rest of the site which has some pictures of members and such in nudist settings. You get zero content to the 10 posts. They get to look around and what they seek isn't there....they are gone and not heard from again. I just as soon join a site that is not only well moderated but that has some sort of screening process to weed out the trolls, perv's and voyuers. There are a whole lot more of those types of sites on the internet than there are nudist sites but I guess when you think about it...maybe the normal naked person is far more interesting and desirable than the porn stars. LOL | |
| However, I think we have to be careful not to label the "Home Nudist" as a perv or a "want to be". I agree....that's why I said..."Some..." not everyone that comes here or any other site, that's a home nudist, is a perv or voyuer. Sure, they may be newbies and that's great and totally different from those I was speaking of. There aren't an overwhelming number but they do exist and most of them aren't bold enough to stick around long enough for us to boot them. Get togethers are a great idea. I'd love to travel and meet many of you that I've made aquaintance with here and on other sites. We had one meet up so far with an internet friend and it didn't really go that well. So my wife's somewhat reluctant to do that again....but she's coming around. I'm a supportive person. It's just me and my philosophy but...I believe in contributing if I can. I am a Premium member here and a paid member to several other sites....not for pictures, not for chat, not for Private Messages...but to contribute to the site I belong to as a member. It's important to me to be able to do that and help out where I can. FP | |
| Again, I want to be very clear, I am not calling Home Nudists trolls, pervs or voyeurs... please re-read my post statement. The frustration I eluded to was that I find many of them to pontificate on the subject of nudism when they really have not experienced social nudism. Let's continue the dialog and your perspectives please. | |
| Perhaps the self proclaimed "home nudist" might benefit from hosting a home get together with others in their area. Start with a small group of people they are comfortable with and see how things go. For those who say their spouses/significant others aren't into the nudist way of life, this might be a good opportunity to get them involved. If they see how comfortable others are, that may be just the icebreaker needed to get them out of their shell. Keep the gathering small with an equal ratio of men to women. You never know, you could end up starting your own non landed club. | |
| Wow, that was intense. Lots of good points made and everytime I read someones post I am enlightened. For those among us that are home nudists, I truly feel sorry for the experience that is missed. I know, that is the true reward of being a nudist. | |
| As persons that are very comfortable in our own skin we've never been shy about shedding our clothes.. It just feels better nude... but we've always seen nudism as more of a personal thing first over a social experience.. I also can see how some people may have concerns with themselves, the possibility of arrest or even safety.. you never now why some people only get nude at home. For us social nudist the only thing we can do is be an example of how social nudism is the next level of personal nudism and educate our home nudist friends of our outdoor experiences... Further more can you say as a nudist your a nice nudist non judgmental for the sake of just being a nice person..but stereotyping them definitely wont get them out and about... As far as the perv's troll's and others that have non nudist intent... What can you do there's always an apple with a worm in it out the bunch!!! But me and my mate are mostly nude at home even before we came back to Florida to help out with our sick mom... We get out when we can i don't believe it makes you any less of a nudist weather you stay home or get out.. Depends on that persons comfort level...Also not all social nudist activities are welcoming to all people. Yes we would love for the world to go nude..We'd never be late for anything again...LOL...but its not a reality... I believe there are less social nude areas do to stereotypes... and as a nudist we shouldn't add to that by stereotyping each other... We get enough flack...Earl of Brain and Earl | |
| I may/may not agree with you. A lot of Home Nudists are just that. Mainly, because they have not totally accepted "Full Body Aceptence" as percieved by society and fashion industry how we should look. My ex was one who would not let anyone, me included, see her unless her hair and makeup was OK. Thankfully my current wife and #1BFF could care less about anything and does enjoy social and home nudity. | |
| I agree with you. Home nudist is sometimes based on circumstances, and that's perfectly ok. Thank all of you for your honest and forthright responses to this post. I want to clarify the subject of my post one more time. I do believe and respect each persons level of participation in nudism. There is no hierarchy in nudism and home nudists are not any less nudists as full time nudist. My point and frustration was, and I was seeking your thoughts, that it seems like those Home Nudist who pontificate ad nauseum on the nudist life are the same ones that refuse to even try to step out from behind their computer screens, regardless of their circumstances. To me, those are the posers and really lack credibility in speaking on the subject. They may be even doing harm to the cause. I guess they think it is cool to be a nudist, and/or maybe they just don't have a life. keep it going, your thoughts and opinions are all very enlightening for all of us. | |
| As Free2Bme said Sometimes "home nudism" is a matter of circumstances. Living in Canada in a small to medium size city the wintertime is primarily home nudity. Come late spring and throughout summer I plan to spend a lot of time at a local landed club. Most wintertime nude activity is too far for me to travel so I look forward to summer. I think there are a lot of reasons many people are home nudists and I appreciate their support. Perhaps time and circumstance will allow them to become social nudists. EDIT: Just read your last post. Yes pontification and support are two different things and I can see where you are coming from. Its a matter of walk the talk or give simple support. | |
| Home nudity helped me get used to the idea that my father was engaged to a nudist and her daughter. Adolescence is a difficult time, I would think for anybody, to get used to seeing the opposite gender casually nude and especially being seen nude. I was alternately worried about being embarrassed and being aroused. I guess the best way to put it is that my stepsister is not a blood relative, so it was a bit awkward. Still it was better being a home nudist first, getting used to my stepmom and stepsis being nude and seeing me nude before we first went to an AANR club. | |
| I guess that we as nudists have to decide are we in favor of having a "big tent party" where we allow nudists, home nudists and the clothing optional or do we want it to be a smaller but more dedicated group of pure nudists? I say the more the merrier but there has to be some minimum participation that all will be nude at some point with others. We're home nudists more often than social nudists because life gets busy. If we go to 3 nudist venues a year, that's a lot for us. Just my 2 cents. | |
| Although I have always enjoyed being nude, until about five years ago I didn't consider myself to be a nudist. At that time I started going to nude venues and participating in nude recreation. In retrospect I realize that I have been a nudist for as long as I can remember. But, I guess some might disagree depending on their definition of nudist. If you believe that anyone who enjoys the simple pleasure of not wearing clothes is a nudist, as I do, then you'll agree that even while not participating in any nudist activities an individual can be a nudist. It is just a matter of semantics. It is curious how we gather at this forum which celebrates our common interest in nudism and get into debates about what is required to be a legitimate nudist. We are nothing more than the much maligned " special interest group". Except for our belief that being nude is sometimes preferable to wearing clothes, we don't have very much in common. We can't even agree on what charactistics a nudist should possess. | |
| It is not a matter of semantics... it is a matter of where your head and belief system is at. It is a difficult subject but only because very few of us live it and believe it without hiding or shame. I still find it absolutely insane when I encounter persons who seasonally reside at nudist resorts/club but don't want family or friends to know back at their home towns. This is INSANE. Why do the feel the need to hide, do they internally think it is wrong? When it comes to home nudists, some of the conversations almost seem like they are living out a sexually based fantasy, like walking out to the mailbox with the robe open or walking in front of the living room window nude. That's flashing people, not social nudism... get a clue. As far as common characteristics, are there any... really, I mean really really? I don't think so but let's ask the question. Again, this group is for people who understand and desire to live a nude life... because they belive it is beneficial to their well being and they are not ashamed of it in any way. Most on here are still in discovery phase to be polite. Just look at the number of responses on "Are You an Absolute Naturist?" post. Far lower than the actual 600+ members of the group. Go figure. | |
| I've been into nudism for 3 years now, never giving much thought to it prior to then. Each year I have grown to enjoy it more, the positive feelings about myself, the value of the vitamin D gained from the abundant sun in San Diego (My aging specialist approves of it), the wonderful feelings of sun and breeze over my body, the lack of constiction from clothing, etc. My family knows that I'm a nudist, friends know, I have mentioned it to members of my masters swim group to no negative comments. I like it, enjoy it and will remain so. | |
| Thanks for your post Metal. We have many topics here on AN and I look forward to hearing your thoughts in the future. Actually you may want to post one on "Introduce Yourself", which you kinda did here. Anyway, To keep this post on track, the original question was about self-described Home Nudists who pontificate at nauseam on the joys of nudism and yet will not attempt to step out of the confines of their own home to enjoy real nudism. Any new responses to why this is or how you feel about it? | |
| Lets simplify this for everyone. SunBunny started this group for a "certain" type of nudist, a "certain" type of person who enjoys and lives a life without clothes. What has happened is that a slew of people joined the group...that don't fit that "certain" mold and want to argue the virtues of "their" type of nudist and it's NOT what this group was about. Home Nudists in particular; the ones SB is speaking of are those that have NO experience in anything but "HOME" nudity and the computer screen. Maybe they aren't any less a nudist than a person that "lives" in a nudist community but...many will continually give their perspective and advice on issues and situations that they have absolutely NO experience in and then get offended when called on it and feel they are being attacked or thought not to be nudists. Walking the Talk: There are social/public nudist that aren't able to do this; case in point...San Onofre Beach Trail 6. Had a fraction of the "nudists" that visited San O and spoke up when lewd behavior took place...there would probably be a nude beach to go to where the rangers didn't hassle you. Too many times my wife and I had to get up and say something to couples or single guys going beyond what is right...while other..."nudists" either watched or looked and then looked away...only to look at the activity again and again. Only a handful of people had the guts to TALK. We need to understand in simple terms what SB was getting at and not turn this into something that wasn't intended. I think the intent was to form a group of people that didn't fall into other categories that other groups where formed specifically for. When there's a group for Home Nudists and those home nudists now join...Absolute Naturists...and then go on and on about certain subjects they have no experience in...that's what can get under a group owners skin when that was something she was trying to avoid when she started this group for a specific nudist demographic! ;) | |
| I never considered myself a nudist until I began going to nudist venues. When I use the term "nudist", it is short for "social nudist". If someone doesn't wear clothing when walking alone on their large rural property, or when swimming alone in their backyard pool or hot tub, I don't think that makes them a nudist. That just makes them comfortable. |
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