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| At the last nudist party my wife and I attended there were sarongs being worn by at least half of the females in attendance, and they wore them all evening. The males were totally nude. Why do females cover their lower half and still wish to be called 'Nudists'? Are we approaching a catagory of 'Topless Nudists'? | |
| PLEASE -- Someone answer my question. Why do many female nudist participate in 'nudism' wearing a sarong? I know natural cycles dictate occasional covering, but let's face it -- that many in one place at the same time. | |
| I really don't know and think only the ladies could really answer this one. It is similar to some ladies who cover up (in a nudist camp) to go from their camp site or car to a tanning area, pool or lake then remove it to tan or swim. Come on ladies, let's give this guy (and me) an answer. | |
| I say let the textiles worry about who is wearing what. I want to decide what I will wear, and I offer the same choice to anyone else. | |
| I'm surprised no one has answered that question in all that time. If this was a nudist get-together at a residence, more than likely these woman were wearing their sarongs like a skirt so that they wouldn't have to worry about what they were sitting on. It's more practical than lugging a towel around. | |
| I don't remember seeing this question asked! ;) | |
| I've heard the "Its easier than carrying a towel" argument more times than I can remember. If that is the case, perhaps I should start wearing shorts, as that would be easier than a towel, and have the added benefits of pockets! Are we nudists or not? The "So-Wrong" (the way I spell and say Sarong) war is in full force. I thought the whole point was to be nude, and to leave behind all the worries and fashion of the outside world. Now it seems having a pretty So-Wrong is a pre-requisite to being a nudist woman. Huh? I may have to get some cool shorts to compete. | |
| I can't answer for anyone else, but if I'm going somewhere that I can be nude, and that is the primary intent of going to a C-O resort as far as I'm concerned, then I'm going to be nude as much as possible. Just my $.02. | |
| I have attended home nudists event and club events where this have been worn as long as my nudity dont bother them I dont care what they wear or dont wear there reasons really not any of my business | |
| I would say the wear of saronfs, or as Brian said "So-wrongs" is probably a matter of fashion, trying to make themselves more attractive and unique among others. I too don't care as long as I'm free to go fully nude - don't put shorts on me, please. Jim | |
| Simple. A so-wrong is sexier. This is why the whole C/O thing will eventually be the death of organized nudism. | |
| I can only answer this question from what my wife and our female nudist friends have told me. They will wear a sarong for a couple of reasons. One; they are not quite comfortable with those they don't know looking at their pubic area. They are uncomfortable with guys they don't know critiquing their grooming standards or lack there of. It is easier for them to sit and not be over conscious of the way their legs are ... with a sarong, they don't "have" to have their legs crossed to keep eyes from looking between them The second reason; Women, most women have some body issues. Regardless of how much you tell them they look fabulous ... they look in the mirror and see something different. One of the areas a woman is most conscious of is her BUTT. If she doesn't feel that great about it's appearance ... she's gonna cover it, disguise it, camoflauge it ... With a sarong, they can be naked but ... address some of the concerns they have. What is distressing is that ... now some have issues with women wearing sarongs. Who cares? When you continue to make women feel insecure, uncomfortable, stressed and fearful ... YOU LOSE them and then ... they'll be nothing but guys in this lifestyle and it's just about what we have now! Guys complain there aren't enough women, their wive's aren't interested, they can't find a female friend to partake ... what do you expect when you constantly give them reasons for not joining in? A sarong is a pre-requisite to becoming a nudist woman ... is that SO- Wrong? ;) | |
| +1 FireProf. My wife is sometime wearing sarong for the exact reasons FireProf's explaining. Having said that, I prefer full nudity as well at the beach, at home or in clubs. Do we have to enforce a full nudity rule? Again, we need more couples and women in nudism, and that may be a way to get them coming as long as full nudity stays the norm 24/7. | |
| Interesting responses. As much as I'm pro-nude, I personally can't take issue with the sarong skirt (the sarong wrapped around the body and tied under the armpits is a different story, since it covers the majority of the body.) Women in sarong skirts are already topfree; which means that whatever the reason is for covering their hips/butt, they're still "halfway there", so to speak. And being topfree doesn't mean the same thing for a woman than for a man - for obvious biological and cultural reasons. It is much more significant for a woman to get to the point where she can be ok just wearing nothing but a light piece of cloth around her hips than a man doing the same. In my experience, the sarong skirt is experienced by the nudist women I've known as a sort of "intermediate nudity." Often loosely worn and easily removed. My X, for example, often wore her sarong around her hips to get up and walk around in our early days of resort nudism. After a while and a few occasions of forgetting to put it on before getting up, she got to the point where she just didn't need it anymore. Topless with a sarong; bottomless with a tank top. I don't find either of these to be a "textile threat." That being said, I think FP mentioned something about some women keeping their sarong skirt even to get in the pool. Now perhaps that is taking it too far. | |
| Don't generalize what other guys think about our "packages" being checked out. If you like feeling like an exhibitionist, fine. I never give it any thought whatsoever. If women are afraid about what men are looking at, then maybe they should stay entirely dressed. Why wear something considered sexy, when a pair of shorts or jeans will do the job. | |
| [ Rabbit Quote... If women are afraid about what men are looking at, then maybe they should stay entirely dressed. Why wear something considered sexy, when a pair of shorts or jeans will do the job. End Quote] Keep thinkin' the way you do Rabbit! That's gonna solve everything! LOL | |
| I really don't want to stir the pot on this too much... but I do want to follow up. In MY OPINION... A person becomes a nudist: 1. NOT to go look at naked bodies. (Thats a Voyeur) 2. NOT to go be seen naked by others. (Thats an Exhibitionist) 3. But to Experience the pure freedom and relaxation of nude recreation. To me, that experience includes being with others of a like mindset who also choose to be nude. It is not my desire to be in a group of nude men and topless women (thus the so-wrong). It is my desire to be in a group of like-minded nudists, who are all nude and enjoying life as nature intended. Having traveled to many nudist resorts across the country, I have clearly noticed a difference from club to club. The "clothing optional" clubs often have few nude women. They are either in Sarongs, or even fully dressed. Often in shorts/jeans and perhaps topless. Then there are the "Nude Required" clubs which seem to have the sarong problems. I get the feeling there it is because "Nobody is going to tell me I HAVE to be nude... so I'll wear a sarong and beat the system." Both of these types of clubs have hundreds of nude men. But if you get off the beaten path a bit... get out of the big cities into other states across the country... there is not an issue as to whether the club is clothing optional or nude. The people there simply ARE nude. That is why they go there, and the reason they are there. I can tell you after visiting these different places that the ones where people actually are nude seem to be friendlier, more fun and more relaxing. Isin't being nude and having the experience the reason we go to a nudist resort in the first place? --Brian | |
| I swear... geez, I wear a sarong when I want to. It does not make me any less of a nudist. It is NOT So-Wrong. It is about choices and NOT trying to cram us all in one big pot. I have lots of sarongs and in many different colors and styles.... Who cares. What you guys don't get is that it is about how I feel at the moment, not how you feel. It is about ME. I think most women would agree with me on this point. My body is my body and I have no problem with that. I wear it as best I can with what I have. I am a nudist, and I enjoy being nude. I am also a woman and a individual. With that said, why should you care what I am covering or not... are you looking, probably. I don't wear sarongs to be sexy for the guys. I am sure there are some women who do. I can only speak for myself. I sometimes wear them to make ME feel sexy or feminine internally. Obviously you guys don't understand this as we women do. Again, It is My Choice. You do your thing and I will do mine... and I don't stare at your packages nor do I care about your packages dummies. One more thing, this So-Wrong War wreaks of nudist elitism. And why are there not more women in nudism or here on NCH? I think you have your answer. | |
| Checking their "package"....right. Uh, no... As for me, I'm not trying to impress, attract or encourage...I'm a nudist because I like being free of clothes. I like social nudity because MOST naked people I've met are fabulous, honest people are actually nudists who aren't there to check packages or leer at others...just nice folks. And as for sarong, coverup, skirt, shirt, being naked, whatever...Sunbunny is right...whatever the mood says to do is what I do. That goes for lots of things... | |
| At our club, I have seen women wear sarongs at various times. My wife has a few, and will occaisionally wear one for no apparent reason (as the mood stikes, I suppose). I do have a use for sarongs, I have a couple myself. For nude driving. I sit on one for the hour drive to our club, then I have a quick coverup when stopped in traffic, or (gasp) if i get pulled over. | |
| I belong to a club and yes I have sarongs. Most of the time I am nude (weather permitting). When it's cool I cover up with a sarong or just a tank top or t-shirt. Most of the time the women wear sarongs if there is a dance or party going on. Think about it. It is the only time you can wear one and get away with it. And if it get warm most of the time they are off by the end of the night. And when it is cool most of the men usually just wear a Hawaiian shirt or a t-shirt. I don't get offended by that... | |
| FireProf, if you have an issue, take it up with Brian. He and I seem to be on the same page with this particular topic. If someone is not in the mood to be nude, then why bother be in a nudist environment at all? Weather and too much sun is one thing, but that reason doesn't apply to most of the women wearing something to cover up. | |
| I fail to understand people who wear anything (including sarong, pareo, etc) in a nudist place. A fashion choice? In a nudist place? Gimme a break. Body acceptance is part of nudism. You dont develop body acceptance by hiding and making excuses. Some days it seems the clothed people outnumber the nude people at my club. Something is wrong, and I dont like it. | |
| FireProf, if you have an issue, take it up with Brian. He and I seem to be on the same page with this particular topic. LOL ... what are you shootin' for ... "Teacher's Pet!" LOL | |
| We've had input, on this thread, from two women I know. I asked them outright, face to face and gave their answers. We have three female members of this group, they are nudists and frequent contributors and members of NCH. We've had a few guys chime in about their wive's or girlfriends that have given their views on wearing sarongs. Yet ... we still have those few guys that are so against the idea that a woman just feels like wearing something around her butt. It's not against you, it's not against me, it's not against nudity, it's not against nudism ... it's something they do for themselves. It shouldn't concern us why they wear them ... all we should concern ourselves with is that they are present and participating in some way. There are nude clubs, there are clothing optional clubs. Each and every club Mr. Spence has been to has either been one or the other or a mixture of both. The fact is ... no matter what kind of club you visit, there will ALWAYS be some that are covered for one reason or another. Are we to question each and every woman why it is she is wearing shorts, wearing a skirt, wearing a sarong? Are you guys ready to ask these questions and get a "none of your damn business!" When my wife was going through "the change" ... the last thing she wanted to do was expose her lower half. She hated having to cover it but it was necessary and it made her feel like she was still participating but wasn't going to embarrass herself at some point. Our (male nudists) goal is to get more females involved, younger people involved, families involved and ALL "some" of you do is continue to come up with reasons for them not to join in. Reasons that solidify what their fears and concerns are about nudism and why guys want them to join ... so their bottom halves are constantly exposed. A few may have some issues with this stance. A few definately are 180 degrees the opposite direction ... and some are still searching for that woman that will understand and partake in this lifestyle with them. If you do find that woman, make sure you tell her how you feel about her wearing a sarong ... ever ... and see if she stays with you or ... participates at all. Good luck! :) | |
| [Rabbit Quote ... but that reason doesn't apply to most of the women wearing something to cover up. End Quote] Please enlighten us Mr. Rabbit ... what reasons are these women wearing a sarong ... that is so wrong? | |
| I want to apologize to all who were offended by my comments yesterday and have deleted the post in its entirety since I think any attempt to reword it is futile. My words were very poorly chosen. Jim | |
| I really don't see that there's a problem with or without a sarong. The way I see it its all personal preferences any way you look at it. | |
| True, diablo. Once the ladies become comfortable with their own bodies and within the surroundings they're in perhaps they will then shed their sarongs but if the don't, so what? The primary concern should be to treat everyone with respect and make them feel welcome. Jim | |
| Nice save Jim... :-) | |
| Thanks. Jim | |
| The two original questions asked in this post by Sarasota were: 1) Why do females cover their lower half and still wish to be called 'Nudists'? 2)Are we approaching a catagory of 'Topless Nudists'? My answer to Question #1: Because it is our choice and we women, as people are free to make that choice. It does not make us any less of a Nudist than you believe yourself to be. Actually the two of us women who have posted on this topic are probably more of nudists than the majority of you men on NCH. We don't feel a need to critique or judge what you cover or don't cover. Most women I know, myself included, do not view social nudity as naked time nor do we apply sex to the equation. Men generally do. My answer to Question #2: No. The thrust and inference of the question is based on the belief that Topless refers to women only. This is the same mentality that has declared toplessness for women illegal and for men a non-issue. Very male based,discriminatory and sexually driven. In this context, if there was such a thing as topless nudity, it would be a positive step for top free equality. It would stop the sexuality men derive from female breasts. Last time I checked, most men have breasts also (some even bigger that women's). Other thoughts: First of all thanks to sarasota for the posting of these questions. So far, only a few of you have answered the questions. The rest of you have just pontificated from within your own male view or opinion of the nudist world and women. I think the two women, CO-Home and myself have clearly answered the first question. Most of you did not even hear or understand what we said... and then you wonder why more women are not at nudist clubs or why you can't get a women to accompany you. Is that really a wonderment.. I mean really? Ok, off my soapbox, Would anybody like to answer the two questions specifically? | |
| I think we DID answer both questions, Sunbunny. Just not sure anybody read them... I'll share your soapbox... :-) | |
| I didn't think I was pontificating, just merely stating that I have no clue as to 'why' anyone does anything or makes the choices they do, just as why some days I drive the truck to work and others I drive the car. It just seems to be the thing to do at the moment. No deeply rooted psychological reason, I just do. So if the women or men for that matter want to wear a sarong, I'm cool with that. It ain't none of my business, nor do I care. | |
| Diablo... you weren't. I think you are on the same page as a few of us others on the subject. I appreciate your viewpoint. | |
| Who the hell cares? Such a mountain from a molehill! As long as people (men and women) participate to their comfort level what business is it of anyone else? SB (and others) may be right, anyone complaining about women wearing something on their bottoms are probably just plain voyeurs. Just my $0.02. | |
| This may or may not actually answer the questions, but perhaps bring a bit of reality to the conversation. I totally agree with the "easier than lugging a towel around" aspect. In my own environment, or at a friend's/relative's, I leave towels out on or near most sitting surfaces. At a resort, or in an unfamiliar area, I wear a terrycloth "kilt" that I make with a pocket to carry the room key, smokes and a lighter, and If i feel in needed, my phone. That gives me the option to carry what I need along with the courtesy of having my sitting towel handy. So, does that make me a non-nudist when I walk from the pool to the lounge? from my cabin to the gym? I haven't explored the event in a 'nude required' establishment, but would there be an objection raised for carrying my towel in such a convenient manner? I would hope NOT! My girlfriend feels the same way. Why carry what you need to have, when you can wear it the short distance to where you want to be? She has wraps and sarongs that are sometimes covering her top, sometimes the bottom, but she is as quick to remove the textiles when she gets where we want to be as I am. Social nudity involves personal comfort levels. Climate and conditions influence the use of textiles, regardless of the environ. Am I a full time nudist? yes! do I don textiles at resorts? yes! do I care what or if someone else is wearing or not wearing? NO! For whatever period of time, my GF and I CHOOSE to have minimal textiles on, we are nude underneath, and comfortable when we CHOOSE to disrobe. The concept should not be exaggerated or be a point of contention among people who profess to be "accepting of others", and "non-judgmental". just sayin' | |
| Good conversations. There are quite a few "go nude or go home" types out there, but I'm glad to see others think as I do in that everyone is free to be as clothed or unclothed as they want. It is really none of my business. The important thing is that they just show up and allow others to be as they want. So, the percentage of clothing worn means nothing. The aspect that makes nudists different than textiles is that they believe there is nothing disgusting, shameful, embarrassing or obscene about the human body and clothing is simply a tool and not a requirement. | |
| The bottom line here is that somewhere, sometime a long time ago, mankind forgot that the good Lord made us perfect and in his image. This perfect image of God should not be covered up but if someone decides that they need a cover for whatever reason that is OK and should be accepted by one and all. It is that free will that makes us different than all the other animals of the world. Some people have imposed their free will on a lot of other people by making a big deal out of what we are given to work with here. I suspect there may not be any cloths in Heaven for the same reason stated earlier!!! | |
| I just think it's funny in most of these postings it's the men complaining about women who wear sarongs.....and not even listening to the women's point of views. | |
| Exactly! Thanks for saying it little more direct than me and CO tried to do. This why we need more women to chime in on these topics. So what do you think about that fellas? | |
| I think many men approach it as a "one thing is nudism, the other is not." Plus, at most nudist resorts if men walk around in say, wrap around towels, they will be viewed with suspicion, if not downright told it's a no-no. So many men, particularly single ones, see it as a double standard. | |
| As a Moderator on several naturist sites, I find this situation very common. On one site, in particular, men can read the postings in the "woman's section" but can not post. But most sites allow men to post in the "woman's section." What happens is a female member starts a thread on a particular female topic and the lonely or bored guy sitting at the computer chimes in ... of course, after he apologizes for posting in a "woman's only" section. Then he begins to tell them what's wrong with them and guess what happens ... the "woman's section" is taken over by the guys ... again. Conjecture by many men, not just nudist men, on how a woman feels, should feel, must feel, is only relevent to the woman he's married to or dating for quite sometime and they are very open with their communication. I find it difficult for most female members to chime in on a topic when the topic turns negative about their reasons for wearing something at a nudist park. With some of the opinions stated, I can see why many other female members don't chime in ... we've already got guys here that know all the answers from a woman's point of view! LOL | |
| FireProf, I know your comment was said tongue in cheek about men knowing what's best for women. None of us, of either sex, should try to tell another what to think or do unless it is for a valid purpose. Whether to wear or not wear a sarong is not one of those issues. If men would stop being so judmental or sexist about the womens' behavior perhaps we could get them to chime in and help us understand them better. Jim |
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