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Christian Naturists So what's your testimony?
| If Adam and Eve didnt sin. We would all be nude right now. Read Genesis. | |
| Do clothes makes you a "less of a sinner" My Bible reads; Jesus plus nothing. We are the same sinner with, or without clothes just as Adam and Eve were, it was their decision to do it their way not God's, even when they tried to cover up with pathetic fig leaves just as we do today with textiles (man's way), we are now covered by the righteousness of Christ (God's way). Adam and Eve's sin was not nakedness. Man was not created evil, sin found it's way into the heart of man later on. If man was evil, God would not have created him nor have anything to do with man, and I believe non-sexual nudity without lust is not sin. God created them, leaving them without clothes and said, ?it is good? before Himself, the angels in heaven, Satan and all his kind to gaze upon naked mankind. Mankind is now clothed for the most part and does not make a person more "righteous" in the sight of God, if it did, then why does the "textile" world still need a savior? Only Jesus can cover us with His righteousness. It is not the out-wardness of man that needs changing (Romans Ch 2,3, and 4, don't pull one verse out of context, but read the whole chapter or even the whole book), it is sins of the heart that needs to be circumcised where sin originates as Jesus said in Mark ch 7: 14-23. We must not think we can be righteous by your own works and understanding, If you do then we become as legalistic and weak in faith as the Pharisees. From what I see in scripture is, that Jesus was concerned about the sins created in the heart of man since that is where sin originates as we see in Satan and one third of the angels that followed after him even though they don't have bodies like ours yet there was sin found "in" them, so sin did not originate with flesh or man. Example, if you lust when looking at a naked woman, that sin originated in the heart and by removing your eyes from that image or putting clothes on her does not take away your sin. Putting on clothes does not deter lust, before I was a Christian every woman I lusted after were wearing clothes. Clothes actually increases lust simply for the fact a mystique is created by covering up, the lust created by the mystique and curiosity is removed by taking away the clothes. If we look at lust in Matt. 5: 28 according to the Strong's concordance, it means covet, desire and wantonness. That is entirely different how we use it in the English language today which usually means sex. If that is so, we can lust after a beautiful car and not think about sex. So with a woman, was Jesus' inference to sex only or not, since adultery can mean many things according to the Webster's such as infidelity, idolatry, or apostasy from the true God. Thayer defines it as faithless towards God, ungodly. The King James Concordance refers to Luke 18: 11, 1 Cor. 6: 9, James 4: 4. Remember after Adam and Eve sinned, they had a strong desire to hide their shame instead of confronting God with their sin as does the rest of the world which is at enmity with God and an enemy, quite the opposite what God originally created before sin and said it was good. When Jesus mentioned that looking upon a woman to lust after her was in the context that people of that day just as today were predominately wearing clothes. If the sin is still in your heart the next time you see a naked woman and you lust (whatever that means) again, the sin in the heart has never been dealt with. If that is so, it is better to repent and ask Jesus for forgiveness for not having a circumcised heart. Do you trust in the flesh to make yourself righteous, or do you have faith in Christ Jesus? If you see yourself as the perfect Christian, you must not trust the salvation by Jesus and rely on "your" obedience. I used to think I was a really good Christian patting myself on the back making sure I went to every church service, study and function, busy, busy, busy not knowing until I realized what was going on in my heart. I for one need Jesus to be righteousness for me, and my salvation alone, I am not good enough. My so called obedience could never be enough, my own works (putting on clothes) could never be enough, or not doing this but doing that, but only Jesus alone is my God and my Lord not my obedience or my works, neither doing the right things in my flesh such as don't do this, and don't do that, but you must do this or that, would never be good enough for a Holy Righteous God demanding no less than absolute perfection that only Jesus can satisfy. Gal 2:16 KnowingG1492 thatG3754 a manG444 is notG3756 justifiedG1344 byG1537 the worksG2041 of the law,G3551 butG3362 byG1223 the faithG4102 of JesusG2424 Christ,G5547 evenG2532 weG2249 have believedG4100 inG1519 JesusG2424 Christ,G5547 thatG2443 we might be justifiedG1344 byG1537 the faithG4102 of Christ,G5547 andG2532 notG3756 byG1537 the worksG2041 of the law:G3551 forG1360 byG1537 the worksG2041 of the lawG3551 shall noG3756 fleshG4561 be justified.G1344 The verse does not say that flesh shall not be justified, but rather ?for by the 'works of the law' shall no flesh be justified.? Don't get me wrong, obedience is a very good thing and demanded by God, but do not put your whole reliance upon that as your "righteous" walk in Christ. We must do things God's way or no way. That is the best definition to "by THE faith of Christ," by faith not works. God's way by the faith He established, not man's self-righteous legalistic religious bondage methods and devices. Your obedience is not faith as you think, instead obedience is the result of the faith of Christ, obedience comes from faith not faith from obedience. We are told of Abraham's faith before there was law and his faith was accounted to him as righteousness, then the obedience to God followed, not putting obedience (works) above faith. | |
| There is no particular verse in the Bible to base my conversion, it was mostly a whole string of scriptures one after the other the new guy in the machine shop where I worked back in 1971 spoke to me and then reading it for myself and each time it "clicked" or saying it this way it made a "connection" in my heart as he quoted them over a period of a month or two I think it was. He gave me a Bible and in it was a sinners prayer, when I got home from work one day I sat down and read it. Half way through the prayer I completely broke down in tears sobbing profusely, I made the commitment and received Christ in my heart that night. It was a very emotional moment reflecting on all the scripture and feeling the gentle loving hand of Christ on my heart drawing me closer that evening based on the Biblical scripture I had read and heard from this person. I guess if there were one passage that stands out more than any other, God pointed it out during one of my most darkest hours to substantiate my salvation is Colossians 2: 6,7 So then, just as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, continue to live in him. Col 2:7 For you have been rooted in him and are being built up and strengthened in the faith, just as you were taught, while you overflow with thanksgiving. In other words, I am not to give up in faith no matter how hard my walk in Christ may become. I Hope that does it. Hey man, stay cool in Christ Jesus. Paul | |
| I grew up believing in Jesus, but in a vague, impersonal way. I didn't truly find Him until my wife and I became active in the local chapter of the 700 Club, which was a marvelous group of people of many different denominations. I have, since then, fallen away from Jesus, and found my way back to Him (or was led back to Him). I look down on no one for being a sinner as we are all sinners, and I am not the least among them. I say that now so that should I offend someone with bad phrasing you will understand that it was a poor choice of wording and not, hopefully, an unchristian attitude. I have studied, informally, many different denominations, and I believe that all Christians who subscribe to the Apostle's Creed are part of "One holy, catholic, and apostolic church". Yes, even the Roman Catholic Church. Adam and Eve attempted to cover their nakedness because they were ashamed, not of their nudity, but of their disobedience (their true sin). Nakedness, in many ancient languages was a synonym for vulnerable, and we are all vulnerable to the Lord. Of course, we are also all naked before the Lord, in the modern definition of the word. Nothing is, or can be, hidden from Him. Every place in the bible that I have found references to nakedness/shame together it has been in the context of illicit sex, extreme drunkenness, or abject poverty. Even today, in some countries, the very poor sit naked in the streets and beg for alms. The Lord also bade Isaiah to remove his clothing and remain naked for three years (Is:20). Coed nude public baths were commonplace throughout western civilization for many centuries, even in the time of Christ. He never condemned being naked in the view of others, regardless of gender. The Christian churches did not condemn the practice for many centuries either.The Roman Catholic Church has not condemned it yet. The church says only that one must always treat the Temple of God (your body) with the utmost respect. Modesty is not the act of covering ones body, but is the act of treating all bodies, naked or clothed, with respect. Reference is made in scripture to the elders of the Jewish church admonishing their women to not use the public baths with the Roman soldiers. Well, that is just common sense. While I have no objection to anyone seeing my mother, sister, wife, or daughters, or even my granddaughters naked, I would not want them to share a public bath with the soldiers of an occupying army. That would just be asking for trouble, especially in ancient times when the soldiers of a conquering/occupying army did pretty much as they pleased with the local populace. In short, I find nothing in scripture that condemns nudism/naturism but rather that the practice has been widespread until the time of Queen Victoria. Don't blame the Puritans, Vicky was the one who started it all. In her time people were encouraged to even bathe in their underwear (they called them "small clothes"), to not even see themselves naked. When it was time to replace the underwear, it was done in the dark. To sum it up, I see absolutely no conflict between true Christian teaching and nudism/naturism. Being naked in front of other people is not a sin, unless you behave in a sinful manner or harbor sinful thoughts. Mike | |
| My short testimony- I didn't get involved in church really until I was a teenager. Then I met a girl in the park and we started dating. One day I was not going to be able to see her because she had youth group (christian), so I asked to go so that I could be with her that night. Later on in our relationship, we broke up, but I still enjoyed going to the youth group. I left that youth group soon though so as not to cause discomfort to my then ex-girlfriend, and later joined another one. It was there I went to the altar and made the decision to make things official concerning my walk with God, and it was in that church that I spent most of my developing christian years in, even up until earlier this year. And that's my basic testimony, as far as the christian side of things goes. And to someone who was looking for more biblical research/articles on nudism, I've scoured the Bible quite a bit and written up my findings, and they are posted for use online in a document here: http://echoxofxinfinity.viviti.com/files/documents/EBDN.pdf I'm sure the document could use some perfecting, as almost every single document on the face of the planet could, but I think it could be helpful to a lot of people. | |
| You're right, Joru. Nothing that we can ever do in, by, or of, ourselves can ever make us worthy of salvation. Any good things we do, any good things that we have, or just enjoy, come only through God's loving grace. It is when we turn our backs on that grace that we sin. But when we truly repent, and do all that is in our power to never commit that same sin again, that is when we receive forgiveness. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I don't believe the message can be repeated too often. | |
| I love to hear peoples testimonies of how God is and has worked in their lives. In these days it is rare to have a testimony like Joru's where, because of Godly parenting, he was saved from many of the temptations others have fallen to. His words were not spoken with a "self-righteous" mouth but with one that has given glory to what God has and is doing daily with and for him. How wonderful it would be if we all, like Joru, could make the same testimoney. Unfortunately, I like many others did not have that same fortune. I came from a traditionally religious family with good parents and parenting. Lots of religious head knowledge but no heart knowledge. The problem was not with my folks but me and my own self will that brought me close to losing it all; wife, family and business. I am not obligated to confess my sins but lets just say that they were numerious (if you can imagine it, you might be close to being right) and an offense in God's eyes. My turn around and ultimate salvation started with my own wife coming to know the Lord as her Savior. Our seventh year of marriage had been a rough one and bordered on a seperation and what could have been a disastrous divorce. But, she seemed to change! I could see it in her though I did not undestand it. Initially I ridiculed her and "it", yet she held fast and that ultimately brought me to the point of asking her a life changing question. I could see in her peace, contentment and a unexplainable joy. I had to ask, "What have you got going for you that, though un-spoken by me, I so desperately wanted?" Her unexpected answer shook me to the very depth of my spiritual foundation (such as it was). She simply said, "I have accepted Jesus into my life and He has accepted me into His!" Within a moment of her proclamation I too was asking Jesus to forgive me my sins and to come into my life. Faithful to His promise to hear a sinners prayer, I became a child of God, an inheritor of the kingdom and with my name entered into the Book of Life. The rest, as they say, is old history and not worthy of repeating. I will add this though. I asked my pastor at that time what I should pray for? I expected a long list to make up for my many mis-deeds. Here is the wisdom he gave me in response. He said to me simply, "Ask God to make you the man He wants you to be and then follow His leading!" My every day prayers for the last 32 years has included that request of my God and Savior. He is still ever faithful to hear and comply. His work in me I know is not complete. A final word to the ladies: You are and can be a life changing testimony to your husband and family. Do not doubt that for a moment because you have the power and promise of God to support and sustain you. Nothing can overcome that! |
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