Posted: Jul 21, 2010
|I am a little frustrated. There is so much association between nudity and sexuality, that one can scarcely say nude and massage in the same breath without being labeled a prostitute. It's even worse if you are even remotely attractive. |
People cannot fathom the idea of a nude massage being non-sexual.
I am not certified, but I have had my hands on people since I was about 5 years old. I have been told that am very good (although I admit to being a little out of practice).
My parents and relatives were the first recipients of my "bodywork", it helped me to accept myself, actually. I have always thought my hands were not so "dainty".
For me, giving massage is a meditation. But nude massage is much more relaxing, because I am a naturist. Unfortunately, I am not allowed to practice "bodywork" where I live. There is no where to advertise for nude bodywork in a non-sexual way. The "therapeutic" section of craigslist is full of prostitutes, obviously, but there are a few legitimate people, usually defined by their CMT license info.
A woman usually is asked to send pictures of herself, even if she advertises that she is a CMT. This is because men want to be massaged by attractive women. If the massage is non-sexual, what difference does it make what she looks like?
I'll tell you.
It matters because even a massage from a CMT is semi-sexual for some men. These men receive massage because their lives are terribly touch deprived. It's sad.
Some men and women as well have to absorb every possible moment of touch and literally "bank" it in their physical memory. They can project intimacy into almost every encounter, and these are the men who make women feel like sex objects, because they are so starved for sensuality that they see it everywhere. Every woman is a potential "lover", if you have this perspective. Even buying a cup of coffee can become an erotic event.
Maybe the only way to eliminate the problem is to confine our work to those of the naturist community. But even there, people are people. In fact, it may be possible that naturism provides a sort of physical and visual sense of closeness and intimacy, in a non-sexual way.
Posted: Jul 22, 2010
|I'm sorry you're finding such problems with that. Yes, (sad to say) - nudity & sex are so closely linked in most western cultures that it's hard to separate the two in the minds of most people.|
You're probably better off staying in nude-communities for these services.
Something which you might also want to consider might be the "swinger"-communities. (Yes, I *know* your services are not about sex -- but most swinger-clubs are QUITE good with knowing how to "play by the rules" - so having a nude-massage with no sexual overtones would be perfectly understood)
Posted: Jul 22, 2010
|SecretAsianMan is probably right. In our somewhat repressed society, it is customary for the LMT to be clothed and for the client to be draped. The only place you're likely to be able to give massages mutually nude with no sexual context would be in a certified nudist environment, and even then it may seem fishy to some people if both parties are naked. |
Posted: Jul 23, 2010
|Certified Massage Therapists frequently express the same frustration when some clients request more intimate contact than the CMT is legally permitted to offer. A tactful reminder of the law is always sufficient to keep the session completely non-sexual.|
Since retiring from my professional practice, I give free massages to our interested visitors in any style they like, whether relaxing, or therapeutic, or sensual. Because no money is being exchanged, I'm not conducting a business, so my license can't be revoked.
But all clients should remember that a massage therapist in business can't legally offer any erotic services, so don't even ask.
Posted: Jul 23, 2010
I can sure understand what you are faced with...having three therapists that we started out as clients with and are now quite close friends. One is local, one is at our favorite local resort and the other...in the caribbean at our favorite travel resort.
Each of them have confided in both of us about males who have either hinted or out and out requested..."happy endings" to their sessions...to which...they stopped, told the client to get dressed and they notified their supervisors. The "guests" were told to leave!
I'm wondering "if"...because you are not "licensed"...you could still work at a club or resort? I would be willing to use a "bodywork" person that was experienced even though they were not licensed.
I think a licensed therapist may be able to charge a bit more but for a little less fee naturists at a club could use the "bodywork" person if the so chose. Have you ever talked to management at a club about that?
I think once you've established yourself and your reputation gets circulated...you'll have respectful clients and a support system to allow you to provide your services and get paid by a loyal client base.
Wishing you good luck with getting this started. :)
Posted: Jul 23, 2010
|I enjoyed reading your post and agree with what you are saying. The puritain attitudes in the |
US has made our society equate nudity with sex. You maywant to use your club to find a group who would enjoy your services as a group in a private home, as you get know the individuals, you may offer your services to them in private.
Posted: Jul 24, 2010
|Well stated FP. Although in California it isn't a matter of less pay but whether the club wants to break state law and have a person working on premises without professional insurance. Usually a CMT (CA State Certified) or LMT (local licensed) can work at businesses and the rest work "under the table" doing outcall. Those that are not certified or licensed often face a more difficult time establishing themselves as they are often sought for illicit massage. For all Massage/Bodywork the reputation and personal referrals are the most important advertising.|
Posted: Aug 3, 2010
|I don't know why you would not receive a massage even with fibro. My wife also has fibro and massages help alleviate the pain. Our daughter-in-law says my wife married me for my hands. Any time she is hurting, she asks for a massage?|
Posted: Aug 4, 2010
|Yup, massage can be very beneficial for fibro. Just maybe not in a flair up.|
Contact is good, as long as it is good contact.
Posted: Jan 22, 2011
|though not certified, i have been fortunate to have/had CMT friends and partners, a few of them naturists, too, from/with whom to learn and share by trading massages. |
i understand the challenges that many therapists face, when making a career in the healing and body work field.
for me there is a major and subtle vibrational difference when sexual energy is combined with massage. intimate sexuality w/ or w/o massage is an expression of love shared with one's significant other -- not a casual or recreational encounter or pastime.
being a physical, tactual encounter, there is no question that massage is a sensual as well as healing experience and infusing a loving vibe into the exchange enhances it on many levels.
the natural endorphins generated and shared energy field between the giver and receiver are in themselves sublime and satisfying without extending to the urges for quick release of sexual stimulation.
Posted: Jan 25, 2011
|ModelMuse, I think that most of the people in our society (with the exception of mothers with young babies) are touch-deprived to some degree. I think it is because our culture tends to equate Touch with Sex.|
Even though I never got my massage license, I have taken lots of massage classes and met lots of massage therapists. I remember one male massage therapist complaining that male massage therapists have a hard time finding clients because women want to be massaged by another woman (because they do not want some man's hands all over them), and men want to be massaged by women (because they are afraid that a man might be gay). In either case, there is an underlying assumption of sexuality. I have been in massage classes where different students touched me while I lay face-down on the massage table (and could not see who was touching me). I was not able to perceive if I was being touched by a male or a female, so the preferences for a female vs. male massage therapist are probably all in the head. I myself have enjoyed receiving massages from males as well as females.
One of the old classic massage books, "The massage book" by George Downing, recommends that both the giver and receiver of a massage be nude, and depicts this in the line drawings in the book. When I moved to Portland, Oregon in 1980, I was told by more than one person that the East-West School of Massage (in Portland) was teaching according to this method, where both the givers and receivers of the massage were nude in class. Some people were uncomfortable with this, and did not enroll at the massage school for that reason.
The way I differentiate between a non-sexual massage vs. a sexual massage -- A non-sexual (therapeutic) massage is relaxing, while a sexual massage is stimulating. I see nudism/naturism is the same way -- non-sexual nudity is relaxing, while sexual nudity is stimulating.
All of the issues with nudity can be bypassed, if the massage therapist is an amateur (i.e. is not licensed and does not charge money for their services), as only licensed massage therapists are regulated (and only LMTs can charge money for their services). Instead of relying on professional massage therapists, I would like to see more of us learning massage and trading massages with our loved ones. I think that professional massage therapists are only needed for special cases, such as professional athletes and people with special conditions. Most of us could benefit just as much by receiving a free massage from an amateur. And most people can learn how to give a good massage fairly quickly. You would need to make an investment in a massage table, but just think -- you could give/receive a massage in the comfort and convenience of your own home! Professional massage therapists could still make money by teaching massage classes and by working on special cases.
Posted: Jan 25, 2011
|Nicely stated dbo. Massage traditionally was for the home family. Healers in ancient Greece and Asia used various forms tailored to corrective rather than maintenance done at home.|
I encourage everyone to share massage and I am not worried about the loss of business. I have as much as I can handle just fixing what goes beyond home care.
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