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Nudist Individuals Letter to AANR
| Here is a point that as a single male I DO NOT understand and hope that someone can shed some light on...if resorts (and they say this all the time) want to maintain a "balance of singles to married , and the resorts feel that single males are somehow predatory creatures stalking the married and the single females at the resorts , how come the married women at the resorts are not upset at all the single females that are there..are females considered less predatory in nature or perhaps are married women more secure in their relationships with their husbands than the husbands are with their wives??? Just curious... Rick (((Thanks Texan for getting this started, I have added your post to the letter above-Olivia))) | |
| TexasnNewd, I think sociologist would probably support the idea that men are more predatory then women. BUT, that doesn't mean all men are that way and the singles restirction treats all men that way which is unfair. This goes to the point I think was made in the past that single men should be considered innocent until proven to be predatory. If a man or a woman misbehaves, then the clubs are within their right to throw the bums out. You could include my name or real name on such a letter. It would have a little more force to it when I join AANR next month. For some reason, my membership did not go through when I tried to use the link from this site. | |
| So here is an idea that Iam sure is NOT a new idea for here and even possibly has been tried before... We have a chat room so why doesn't this group sponser an evening seminar in the chat room...we can select a TOPIC to be discussed and that is the only TOPIC that will be discussed...we can set up a TOPIC BOARD where other TOPICS can be posted to be discussed...Once a week or once a month at a specified time agreed upon we can all pile into the chat room...appoint a moderator like Olivia or SunBunny ( I would prefer a feamle but that would be up to them) and lets actually discuss some real issues...maybe we can post a notice in all the other group rooms and invite one and all..male and female to come and participate...what does anyone think??? good idea?? bad idea??? feed back please | |
| From time to time we hear from various sources that AANR has nothing to do with admission policies of its various private member clubs and questions over these policies should be directed to club owners and not the AANR leadership. This opinion actually denigrates AANR's ability to fulfill its mission of advocacy for nudism, a key component of its mission statement. There is no question that clubs are private organizations and are free to set their own membership policies, and that AANR has no direct authority over these policies. It is a disservice to AANDR, however, to argue that AANR is absolutely powerless to intervene. AANR does not write legislation, issue court rulings or determine public policy. AANR does, however, claim have a track record for successfully influencing legislation and court rulings in support of the rights of its members. Now we can't have it both ways: either AANR is or is not adept and successful in influencing institutions over which is has no direct control. If AANR wishes to claim it has the ability to influence the public sector, surely it must conceded the ability to have influence over the clubs it vets. The key issue here is a clear articulation of the leadership's opinion on the exclusionary policies of many clubs, and whether these polices are or are not a determent to nudism as a whole. The current hoopla over the Nudist Bill of Rights is misplaced: a document of its nature is far too vague to be applied to a specific issue. A simple statement to the effect that the leadership believes exclusionary membership polices do not serve AANR members well and are bad for nudism is all that is really needed. Such a statement would raise awareness of the issue, and would give club members who disagree with their own club's exclusionary polices a firm footing to try and effect change from within. Such a statement would go a very long way to convince many alienated or would-be members that membership really does matter, for all members. On the other hand, a continued silence from the leadership with respect to exclusionary membership polices suggests that the leadership is satisfied with the status quo. If this were the case, AANR should drop the charade of being an advocate of all nudists, and focus on the core demographic that currently pervades the existing membership of clubs. Likewise, the public should be wary of an organization that wishes to foist the rights of nudists for access on public land, rights that its own member organizations selectively deny. ((Wow onza! I put your post at the top of the letter-It effectively states the purpose of writing to AANR, and sets the tone. I hope it will inspire others to post-Olivia)) | |
| I think the policies need to be changed to allow "any" adult,male, female, single, divorce, married and visiting alone, married and visiting with friends under any of those categories. We CAN NOT grow with so many restrictions and policies keeping interested people OUT of our communities. It's really time for ALL naturists/nudists to come together and stop the paranoia of the single person at clubs. Weed out the bad ones, the trouble makers, gawkers, voyuers...whether single or married and keep ALL the good ones...married, in relationships, or single! ;) Comment from Jim Moderator) Fireproof, I understand what you are saying, but at the same time, AANR cannot tell a co-op or individually owned club who they can or cannot allow. It would be like you owning a store, and me telling you that if you are selling tobacco products, you cannot be in my community. AANR has taken away several charters( affiliations with AANR ) away from several clubs if it is found that they do not adhear to the principles of AANR , in the manner of what they advertise and where they advertise. AANR is there to help us and guide us, and to protect the right to be nude from local, state, city , National laws etc etc. | |
| "Fireproof, I understand what you are saying, but at the same time, AANR cannot tell a co-op or individually owned club who they can or cannot allow." Actually, AANR might not be able to TELL the club/resort what to do. Does AANR place any monies with any establishments? If so, AANR can show their disapproval of such policies by declaring such and by withholding those monies. John | |
| All I'm saying is that if you're gonna pressure AANR to review their policies for allowing singles males into clubs, that are affiliated with AANR, why stop at single males? Why have a philosophy, a Bill of Rights and a set of policies that only addresses one particular group of nudists. We don't only come as singles or couples...there are many variations relationships of nudists and they should all be included if you're gonna pressure AANR to stick to their philosophies and adhere to their policies and make the clubs that want affiliation...do the same thing. You stated that AANR has pulled their charter from various clubs for their participation or courting of those that do not follow the AANR philosophy of nudism. You know and I know that they don't want to lose their clubs so...makes sense they would pressure clubs to revisit their policies on admittance. Besides...we're talking fruit but in this case it's apples and oranges! Clubs have lost their affiliation with AANR for courting or participating in swinger activity, sexual adult entertainment and the like. We're talking about admittance to members and potential members that may or may not be into that activity...but we don't know unless we allow them in. With this current attitude toward singles...I would never have been allowed into some clubs. I was never a single but was treated as one for a long time and I brought my entire family into naturism...how will that continue if AANR doesn't pressure these clubs to relax and let those guest seal their own fate and not label them as trouble makers before they get in the gate? | |
| Great message FireProf. Yes, judge the individual by his/her/their actions. Do NOT condemn an entire class of people (i.e., single males, unaccompanied males, or whatever the class may be) based upon the actions of individuals within the class. Jim | |
| Oh where do I begin to put my two cents in???? Let me just say as a married woman, I do not care if you are married, single, divorced, widowed, black, white, green, purple, young or old I do not care, as long as you abide by the club rules you should be let in. If you are not let in it is discrmination. How can it not be discrmination if you are not letting them into your club by their martial status alone? End of story. Now with that said, lets go one step further and look at nudism as a whole. I think we can all agree that nudism is a male dominated activity. That is just how it is. So explain to me why a club would not let their most potential client in? They constantly compain that numbers are down but not willing to look at why. As far as them gripping that there will be too many men compaired to woman so what??? Do you think as a woman I do not know how to handle myself? I am sorry but you are not my protector and should not try and act like it. If I have an issue I have no problems taking care of it ASAP. As far as it discoraging other woman.... please single men? Do you not think that woman deal with this everyday of our lives???? Seriously stop trying to be big brother! Not to mention some of the single woman, who are my friends, would love to have some new single men around. Now as far as AANR having a say on who the clubs should and should not let in.... Why the hell cant they??? If they are gonna put their names behind a club then the club should abide by their rules. Not sure I understand the debate on this issue? AANR has no problems kicking a club out that does not follow family nudist values well what is it teaching that it ok to discriminate against singles? I feel very strongly that as nudist we are suppose to be accepting of all people, yet the clubs feel the need to single men out. We are having a big issue at our club currently and I am not at all happy about it. I guess they are feeling that many do not know how to handle themselves during night time activities and instead of calling everyone out like they should they have decided to pull aside the few single men that are there and blame them. Harmless as they may be they (due to being single) are getting the brunt of it and it is not fair! Ok I think I can get off my soapbox now :-)LOL In all seriousness, this is a big issue that is getting out of control and AANR is the one that really needs to step up if they are the ones that are suppose to fight for our rights. It shouldnt just be for married people it should be for them all! | |
| MiLinda... Where do I begin...to give you a standing ovation! That was not only brilliant, insightful and using common sense...but...PEOPLE...it came from a nudist woman! Wake up AANR and anti-single people! Thanks so much for your 2 cents MiLinda...best money spent in quite a while that I've seen! :) | |
| Here's a thought. Only a thought. What if, in an effort to cleanse our resorts of undesirables, AANR kept a database of people who have been ejected from AANR clubs for inappropriate "behavior." We all know when we visit a club we're required to show appropriate ID. If a club ejects an undesirable individual they could report that to AANR. Whenever someone tries to visit an AANR club their ID could be compared to the AANR database and a determination could be made on the spot to admit the person/people. The clubs could state as part of their admission policy that they refuse admission to anyone who has been ejected from an AANR club. Just my $0.02 | |
| Smkey, You're absolutely right. I'm a member of the Las Vegas Bares and gladly accepted as a "single" member, though I am married. I even made it known a female coworker might join me and was told it would be okay (so far, she has not and does not want to associate her membership with mine even though it would allow us a savings on individual membership). Still, no problem as far as the club is concerned. I attended two social events at a private residence and was readily accepted by all there, though I was unaccompanied. MiLinda, let me say I'm also a fan. Jim | |
| AANR needs to sit down and finally address the issue of singles once and for all. The nation's demographics changing, which means many people either 1. choosing to stay single, 2. divorcing (see the current divorce rate!), 3. separation during marriage difficulties (writer included), 4. spouses living longer after other spouse passes, and 5. one spouse not embracing nudism. With all the press Young Nudists are getting the past few weeks, nudist resorts need to move in a unified, positive direction without alienating those who have kept nudism the wholesome healthy lifestyle we enjoy today. I have faith in the organiztion I am proudly a member of in doing so. I am impressed also of MiLinda and Olivia's posts above. Kudos to your comments! |
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