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Absolute Naturists Pole Dancing at Nudist Clubs... Should it be allowed?
| Should Pole Dancing or Pole dance Set-Ups be allowed at Nudist Resorts? Would you considered it a lewd or sexual activity activity or just simple adult fun? Would it be different if it was a theme type of event? Your thoughts please. | |
| Should stripper poles be banned?...no. Are they appropriate?...not in a nudist environment. Isn't choices what it's all about? I would CHOOSE not to go somewhere where that is primary entertainment, but others can go if they wish...all about choices. I just don't want someone else BANNING something that takes away my choice. As for an AANR associated club, I think AANR would look at that as being inappropriate and the club may very well put their relationship with AANR in jeopardy. Could the club make more money and attract more people if they had more sexualized activities...they might for a while before it slid down the slippery slope of just another swinger spot. It's hard for clubs to make that decision when it comes to generating revenue vs adhering to their initial principals. C-OHome...always making choices... | |
| pole dancing has recently become very popular as an exercise. there are several classes around here,,at least by all the advertisements i see. in that context i see no harm in it. even if a club held a "private"? type of weekend party for the members only,,,i dont see any harm in it. but as C-OHome stated,,,,it could very easily become a hazzard to the overall health of the club. | |
| I vote no, for the same reason I oppose lingerie parties, they represent everything we claim to oppose. | |
| Since I'm more of an at-home nudist (have only been to three total social events , all at the same residence) I may not be qualified to really answer this one but here goes. As long as the pole dancing is not done for sexualized purposes I say yes. Obviously, stripper poles are associated with gentlemen's clubs (haven't attended them either) but it has become a trend for exercise purposes. What's wrong with nude women participating in a fun exercise program? Such classes should probably not be open to males however so as to avoid sexual arousal. Jim | |
| I don't think ot should be allowed, it seems that would lead more to the sexual side of behaviour, but I'm a novice so... | |
| Since it has become a fun mainstream form of exercise why would it not be ok strictly in an exercise context? | |
| No, unless it is a place where it is ok to sport an erection. But I realize this post was supposed to jump start the conversation, which it did. | |
| I say NO! This would give the non-nudist who think that nothing but sex orgies at nudist resorts ammunition for there argument why nudism should be outlawed. Just one news story of stripper poles at a nudist resort could hurt nudism and nudist resorts nation wide. | |
| Interesting how people here think what is now offered at many gyms for women is too sexually oriented for a nude resort activity. Also that women should not engage in nude activity that might arouse males. What happened to equality and acceptance? In other threads it has been repeatedly stated that men do not often have erections while engaged in social nudism. Does that exclude coed exercise classes. Are the limited erections because women must be descrete at all times? I am a bit surprised. | |
| I admit i dont know enough about pole dancing my self, but I would think that it would only ADD to the thoughts of the people that question nudity vs sex!! It may very well be exercise but in most peoples eyes it would be more sexual than excercise..... | |
| Here is a typical class. They have rapidly increased in popularity the past two years and poles for home with exercise DVD are also getting popular. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knIVaKKZ-tc&feature=related | |
| I would be extremely disgusted if my home club held a pole dancing class. I'm all for having a group fitness activity of some sort, but there are countless other activities that could NOT be classified trashy, slutty, and inappropriate. | |
| 100% should not be allowed.................. | |
| I don't know for sure... I'm wondering why there is such a connection with pole dancing and strippers! Is it because the pole represents a penis? Is it the movements or positions a "dancer/user" is in that suggests sex? I've seen some pretty amazing yoga positions that leave nothing to the imagination but...we aren't suppose to care about those types of postions or think of them as "sexual" but I'll guarantee that many, many guys are liking the limberness of those participating and their ablilities to twist and contort their limbs in all kinds of positions! LOL I wonder...is there a context that "pole dancing" can co-exist at a nudist club, such as an "exercise class" or is ALL pole dancing only for strippers and dancers at...'"gentlemen's clubs and considered...sexual!" :) | |
| From what I know about "pole dancing," it seems to be the new "in" form of exercising. Sure, there's a sexually-enticing side to it, but there's also an appreciate-the-muscular-control side to it. That being the case, I don't see anything wrong with it in a nudist environment. It's the same old argument about liquor and dancing in general: "OMG! The men won't be able to control themselves!" Well, guess what ladies -- and others -- we CAN control ourselves! We can appreciate the beauty of a human body and the work that goes into pole dancing, belly dancing, or any other form of dancing, without suddenly becoming savage brutes who must respond to the urges of our erect penises! So let "pole" and other dancing continue, and let's appreciate it for what it is: a lot of hard work and exercise, that's really fun to watch. | |
| Aren't there enough exercise alternatives. IMHO anything that can be taken as other than genuine nudism should not be allowed. We have enough trouble letting dealing with our legislatures as it is. | |
| If some woman who is famous for being a skank makes a pole dancing video and calls it exercise, that does NOT mean that pole dancing is mainstream or "in". | |
| I agree, Christopher, I could not have said it better. | |
| ChristopherM perhaps it depends where you live in the country. Out here many of my female friends have given up the belly dance craze for the pole dance craze. Some did it only because their gym set up poles on the floor where they use to belly dance. Most say it is quite a workout and fun. I also wonder if this links to the thread on youth joining resorts. Perhaps resorts are too slow to swing with the trends that youth goes for in droves and then discards for the next. | |
| I have no trouble with it at all unless the person on the pole is purposely being seductive… And it doesn’t take you long to find out. From a practical standpoint, it is easier to pole dance in leotards as they allow for a smoother and comfortable friction point against the poll which otherwise has to be highly polished and powdered. My wife has poll danced at the gym and found it great fun. But then, if the person is pole dancing in a lascivious manner with super long purposeful spread leg positions I think they should be cautioned and frowned upon. But if it’s part of a normal routine, guess what, it’s a nude club and should be accepted. The deciding force is the opinion of the club’s patrons. If more regulars dislike it than not, it should be avoided. | |
| Shouldn't be an issue unless those using the "pole" begin wearing garters for dollar bills! LMAO!!! (just trying to add a bit of humor) | |
| FireProf, you comment raises the question, what do you know about garter belts to hold dollar bills? Have you frequented such locations? Just kidding, I really don't expect a reply. Jim | |
| "I'm wondering why there is such a connection with pole dancing and strippers!" I'm guessing that it has something to do with the fact that 98.7% of strippers pole dance. Source: Every strip club in existance XD | |
| Thanks Gaijin... I was uncertain about that! LOL (rolling my eyes!) LOL | |
| [ Quote: Jim...FireProf, you comment raises the question, what do you know about garter belts to hold dollar bills? Have you frequented such locations? Just kidding, I really don't expect a reply....end Quote] Frequented? No but have I been in them...absolutely! I was a sailor and I am a man. Any man that denies going into one is either or liar or ... has no right to critize anyone that has...cuz he has NO IDEA what goes on in there from his own eyes and perspective! LOL | |
| For the record, every man definitely has NOT been in a strip club. I'm 41. I'm heterosexual. I was in the army and I've never been to any strip club of any kind. (Although I did think about it when I was single) I do however, have a pretty good idea of what goes on inside. I would NOT like to see my local nudist clubs promote ANY activity which could be directly linked to a strip club. There is enough misunderstanding of what nudism is about already. We don't need to cement someone's incorrect ideas by promoting an activity which could only be taken as sexual by 99.9% of the population. | |
| There are still some Puritans out there that would argue that any dancing, pole or otherwise is seductive and sexual in nature. While I don't subscribe to those ideas myself, I can see where some folks would have an issue with pole dancing at a nudist venue. Personally I don't see any harm in it. The vast majority of non-nudists would never have a clue that there were people pole dancing at a nudist resort as they would never be there to see it. The only way the word would get out would be if the people in attendance were to broadcast it. Even the "Nudes-a-poppin'" event is not something that is really common knowledge and the club that holds it trys to publicize it to draw in more people. I think as long as the club members and guest are OK with pole dancing then it's fine. | |
| I never really thought about that aspect with the general public Christopher M. In my last post on this topic I just said it is up to the establishment and their customers. You're right though; people love to misinterpret what goes on in our clubs. Educating the public about nudity has a long way to go when a headline can be about Angelina Jolie having a dress that is too revealing. How twisted is that! | |
| There are competitions in pole dancing where the contestants where a bikini outfit. On the last America Got Talent there were two contestants that did a pole dance. It seams like it is getting general acceptance. Furthermore, especially woman art taking pole dancing for exercise. I am guilty of seeing a striptease performance involving pole dancing I was more intrigued with their athletic ability than there sexuality. If the members are comfortable with this and they are not promoting it to the outsiders let it be. | |
| Pole dancing is an art form and can be very beautiful and doesn’t have to be sexual unless the person on the pole wants it to be. This thread has been going on a lot longer than anyone thought so I promise not to write here again. One way to look at it is if you are appalled by women innocently limbo dancing then you probably will have a problem with innocent pole dancing. A number of the positions just might have spread legs. And, it’s not just women that can pole dance. Men can do it too abet a bit more difficulity unless you’re thin and in good shape with good body strength. Men are almost always heaver which makes it a lot harder. The first thought of most people is men can’t because of crushing the family jewels but it they don’t seem to get in the way. Firemen have been doing it for a hundred years…..LOL. | |
| I bet if you polled 100 random people on the street, More people will consider oral sex an "art form" than pole dancing. But I don't want to see that when I go to a nudist club either. | |
| Christopher M. I agree with a lot of your points but pole dancing is an art form and is done plenty in a non-sexual way. Look at a few hundred of instruction videos on Utube. They have also had competitions on prime time TV. And, as stated in India there a fair contingent of MALE pole dancers who compete. Ye knows not of what thou speaks. I don't know if this system allows links but if you want to see male pole dancing check out http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/just_plain_stupid/Incredible_Indian_Pole_Dance/ Art and beauty is in the eye of the beholder they say. You don't have to agree. And this really is my last post on this thread! | |
| O.k. so when a family new to nudism brings their teen sons to a resort and they go watch the naked women swinging around a stripper pole, I'll let you explain to the parents how it isn't sexual at all because it's art. Some people think that a crucifix in a jar of urine is art. Well I'll agree that pole dancing is that same caliber of art. | |
| Not art but exercise. Would you think it is right to let your son gawk at a women's pilate class? This thread only shows that nudists are only different from the general public as they are the ones without clothes. In my opinion it also shows why getting youth to the clubs is challenging. Pole exercise classes are mostly joined by younger women. Friends 20s & 30s mostly are the ones I hear trying it. So it is not the profile I see for most clubs. | |
| I don't see anything wrong with it as an activity. However, it is clear from these posts that there are many who do not care to participate. As with anything with a wide difference in opinion the activity should be confined to those who enjoy it. Some find it fun and they should have it available. Some find it distasteful and they should not have to be subjected to it. A simple solution is to provide an area out of view where it can be practiced by those who appreciate it without disturbing those who don't. Just by being nudists we should all understand that concept. | |
| I really dont have an opinion on this other than to those of you that have said "pole dancing is not an exercise...." I would love to see you try and exercise on the pole for more that 2 songs. I bet most will have a difficult time. I have worked out for over 30 min on a treadmill with an steep incline ect and then would go exercise on the pole and I would be dripping with sweat and sore as hell. Not very sexy when you are done trust me :) | |
| MiLinda, it seems the guys worry that anything might turn them on. Even sweaty BO. I've found the comments quite interesting coming from nudists. | |
| I find it interesting that nudists actually equated pole dancing with sex and eroticism. Why not I guess, strip clubs is where you normally find them anyway. Poles aren't slippery slopes, the people are. Yoga can be very erotic if you want to view it that way. Again, not the yoga, it's the people. Sometimes I think nudists get to uptight with trying to protect the nudist wholesomeness concept and forget about simple adult fun. It all depends how it is staged. All probably a non-issue anyway since I DOUBT seriously that most of the folks I see pictured in the AANR bulletin could ever spin on the pole anyway, female or male. As MiLinda said, it is darn hard to do too, been there and done that, I know! | |
| LOL....I have a hard enough time with the horizontal pole to do pull ups! LOL | |
| I agree with SunBunny. Too much can be made of this. Many promote the "wholesomeness" aspect of naturism to fight perceptions of all naturists being swingers, but forget the concept that the same social graces can be followed clothed or not. A picnic is a picnic whether everyone is wearing parkas or completely naked. I don't relate pole dancing with sex, but I also believe that there is nothing wrong with sex. Sexuality is as normal, healthy and natural to humans, and the whole history of life on earth, as eating and shouldn't be feared. The same people who fear social nudity fear sex also. I don't want to compromise my concept of the "natural" in Naturism. Everyone expresses sexuality in different ways, so my concept of what is sexual and what isn't is blurred at best. For example, some people hug and kiss just to say hello. For these same people, is hugging and kissing as nudists sexual? No, it's not, but there are some who can't see past the circumstantial. I see pole dancing as the same. Do it if you enjoy it because there is nothing wrong with it, but realize that it's not everyone's thing. | |
| I subscibe to the notion "Buddy don't be square, if you can't find a partner use a wooden chair." The problem with poles is that they are stationary so it's hard to dance with them. But a wooden chair, now that's a partner I could knock on wood with. Ha-ha-ha LOL. | |
| Lets just start off with pole dancing is not always something that turns every guy on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YRVxKYigFg&feature=related ( Love Lulu ) Half of the ballroom style dances are much more provocative and sexual, but they are danced to old music and have been around for 100's of years so they are ok.... right? Go ask kids under 12 years old (random choice of age) what they think a picture of a pole is used for and I am guessing fireman will be the dominant answer. And I am sure most fireman come down the pole just like all the strippers do :) The question posted by the OP was "pole dancing at nudist clubs"... not strippers, or strip tease or erotic dancing so lets stay on course here. Pole dancing has been marketed of late as a workout (one i will not be trying thank you bum shoulder and back :) ) as such it can only be viewed as provocative if either that is the intent of the person working out or the perception of the onlooker. So to me if someone has a huge problem with pole dancing they may want to look inside before making a scene out of it. I saw a stripper flip upside down and do the splits on a pole and what I thought was not "wow thats hot" but I thought damn that is impressive. I know I couldn't do that I couldn't hold myself upside down or do the splits let alone together in the air. It takes a lot of work and determination to pole dance and can be dangerous, don't believe me... youtube stripper pole fail and you will see. ----off track----- Other things that should be banned... running, walking slowly, swimming, exiting a hot tub, exiting a pool, basketball, hula hooping, rock climbing, kayaking, fishing, eating, sleeping, pretty much anything that involves moving, sitting or laying should be banned because they can be viewed in a sexual way. -- this whole paragraph was brought to by SARCASM-- Interesting tid bits.... not all strippers pole dance, and not all pole dancers are strippers. Art really is in the eye of the beholder... we have a big ass "Stamper" in my downtown that they say is art... I dont get it. General statement on society..... work on yourself before putting your beliefs and views on everyone else. As always any hate mail can be sent to my inbox here or xskater540 at the hotmail. | |
| I agree with C-Ohome. Banned? No. However if AANR decides it doesn't want to be affiliated with a nudist business then they have that legal right to remove them as an affiliated club. Like the poster stated: it's about choices. AANR would be wrong to do so but again, it's their business to set down rules and regulations for affiliates and members and if we don't like it...too bad. Neither of us would care to participate in that activity but always respect the decisions of the ones that do. Again...that wonderful thing we all enjoy...freedom to choose. Let's never lose that. | |
| I think that it is not appropriate for a nudist club. It kind of gives the wrong idea towards nudism. I believe that it is not about showing even if we have nothing to hide anyway. | |
| As it has been said, there are plenty of other gym exercises and many other shows to do in a nudist clubs. Open pole dancing and there will be less people coming or the wrong ones coming, particularly in family-orientated environments. We have to fight so many times to separate nudism from sex, that it would be a mistake to allow an activity that is the norm in strip clubs... | |
Pole dancing ban? Shall we also disallow hat Czech girls? What about simply Roman around the dance floor? Are we Russian to judgement here? Sorry, these puns are making me Hungary.
All seriousness aside — we, as nudists, must always be vigilant of the image we project to the public in general. Rationalization may make some of us feel justified and noble but will it serve to advance our goal in conveying social nudism as a wholesome, family-friendly environment? The summer calendar was once filled with inter-club pageants for nudist kids, teens, parents and grandparents to compete and be part of the Royal Family representing our values; then someone had the brilliant idea of letting outside professional dancers compete …
… okay, I’m Finnish here. | |
| Hmmm Pole dancing. Well I would hope the club I belong to doesn't want to participate in doing that. We had a dance one night and one of the guests was a "professional pole dance". Need less to say when she got intoxicated she started dancing like she was at work. Needless to say she was escorted from the dance floor and was told not to come back. I personally think if there was a pole there it would have gotten out of hand.. | |
| Andy, you do realize that posting pics like that is copyright infringement, and a violation of the law? Could get Brian in a spot of bother. | |
| Rabbit... I don't believe you are the NCH Photo Police. Brian is well aware of what is posted and Andy is a long standing and responsible member and group owner here on NCH. I believe Andy was just having some fun and nothing wrong with that. Brian can decide what is appropriate and what is not, not you. Appreciate your concern. Let's get back to this really interesting topic. | |
| I do not see where pole dancing and nudism have common ground (other than to say there are people in each event). I have never been to a club to watch a pole dance done by a stripper but have seen a you tube that was posted in a link. as far as it being something sexually exciting, no it was not for me. the lady wore a bikini thru the whole dance. all I got out of the dance was wow that takes some muscles and stamina to do. for that they have my respect, but there is nothing else I gain from it. the dancing contests that they do on TV are more sensual in my opinion. So to say it again, resorts for Nudism should be kept to family oriented events and events like pole dancing done at night clubs or swingers clubs. Have a nude day ;) | |
| Sure, allow pole dancing. Dont like pole dancing? Dont do it, or watch it! Maybe someone else thinks its fun, and they're not hurting anyone. Vive la différence. | |
| Just segregate the pole dancing into a female only room, and there shouldn't be a problem. No males allowed. | |
| I've been having a ponder over this. Pole dancing is form of exercise, and becoming mainstream. It helps with flexibility, and the pole can be used for support. It does not have to be lewd. Jerseygirl mentioned a dance at her club. Well, the problem that I see with her example is a combination of a "professional pole dancer" and alcohol. Of course, too much alcohol change anyone's behaviour. I wonder if the dancer would have danced like she was at work, had she not been impaired... I think in an exercise setting, it would be fine. No different than say, Pilates. At night, during a dance, when alcohol is being served, I can see where it might be less that acceptable. If you think back to when belly dance was first coming to the US, it was looked at with derision, and now it's pretty much mainstream. Again, my .05 worth. | |
| Lacey, Then what you are saying is that IF the POLE is in the gym or exercise room of a nudist club, then it is ok...BUT, if it is any place other than that then it is NOT ok, right? As an aside, I don't think I have ever been to a nudist "fun" function where drinking was not occuring, even if not in excess. This being the case, how does that impact your opinion. To me, it is not about the dancing with the pole, it is about how you dance with the pole. It is like drinking, drinking is ok, getting drunk is not. My bottom line is that we are adults, we should be able to have adult fun and we should be able to ACT like adults when doing so. Sometimes I think we get to caught up on political correctness and BibleBelt BS. Lifes short, have fun. | |
| If I may chime in... One analogy I can think of is nude twister. Some people might take issue with the physical contact and degree of exposure; but among family/good friends/friendly nudists, nude twister can actually be quite a bit of fun. Sure, you may get unexpected physical contact, but it's all in good fun and not a big deal is made out of it. Besides, you're usually too busy trying to keep your balance to worry about the "awkward" posture you're in. However... Add to the mix a booze-fueled or simply ignorant individual who gets a kick out of "feeling up" a member of the opposite (or same) sex, and suddenly the activity takes on a more sordid direction. And then you have to work through the creepiness of dealing with that situation... I think you have to take a realistic approach to these situations, knowing that there might be people there who are not going to "get it." It takes a special kind of vigilance and reaction time to not allow that one - or more - person(s) to ruin it for everyone else. | |
| SB, correct. It's more how the dance it done, and what else is occurring at the time. If in an exercise setting, then it's fine, but at night, when alcohol is flowing (and we all know, people are going to overdo and act stupid), then it shouldn't be allowed. It would probably be difficult to keep an intoxicated person from using the pole, if it were in the main hall, so setting it up in a gym room would probably be best. Granted, we are adults, but we also know that some people don't know how to behave in public, when alcohol is involved. I live in the Pat Robertson/700 Club/CBN portion of the Bible Belt. I'm atheist. :) | |
| Nudony, even clothed twister can present such awkwardness. Granted, when the participants are naked it does present more challenges. |
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