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FireProf Posted: May 21, 2013 |
Making friends is what this lifestyle is all about. Finding others that enjoy being nude, finding some that are close by and getting to know them a little before you decide to meet in person and maybe ... establish a friendship outside the internet. I've met several people from the internet. In all honesty, I've become closer friends to some that I haven't met, in person, yet. I don't typically go out looking for friends unless they post things that are close to home and we have a connection besides our desire for living nude. We were friends with a couple that enjoyed the nude beach we went to but ... they did not have children and couldn't understand why we would have to rush home, after a day at the beach, to help out or to make a previous engagement. Our things in common really stopped at liking to be naked and the beach. Too bad, a really nice couple and I miss hanging out with them. I sometimes send a member an email stating that I really liked what they had to say on various topics that we both post on. Most times, I'll get a "friend request." I almost AlWAYS automatically deny a friend request without a comment on "why" they want to be friends. I will go into their profile and look it over. If it's almost blank and they are unwilling to say a little about themselves ... I deny friendship. I don't need a slew of friends on the internet. The ones I have or have made ... we at least communicate. Many times ... friend requests are nothing other than their ability to look into your profile and at your pictures. I go through my friends list periodically to delete "friends" that have not logged on in over a year or if I find that, as it turns out, we really don't have anything in common. I've even had "friends" delete me as friends because of a difference of opinion or if I speak honestly about a certain topic. That's okay, I'd rather have them do that then to carry on as though they are your friends and not want to be. Having friends in many places can be a great thing as well. We travel some and when we do or when we are planning our trips, I will look up "friends" in that area and ask for advice on nude venues. I like to get their honest opinion on certain places or get recommendations on others. Many members here like to collect friends but I rarely see them post anything. Maybe they are always in "chat" and don't post on the forums. There is the difference between me and them. I won't chat til I get to know someone a little and then ... I don't really like to chat. I have a couple of friends I will chat with but I've known them for a while or have met them in person. AS this is a "home nudist" section, I strongly advise those "home nudists" to do whatever they can to leave the house and go to a beach, club or resort and get social in person. This medium is just a starting point for social nudism and should not be your sole exposure to it. Out there at the beaches, clubs and resorts ... are where you find your "real" friends! :D | |
| Blacks Beach Going to Black's Beach |
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FireProf Posted: May 21, 2013 |
Fiesco, Thanks for the info. Not being a long time visitor, I'm still trying to figure the beach out. hahaha Seems like I'm camping out where I would take my wife and family. Just got a text from my daughter wondering if I had gone today. She also wants to go. I'll be sure to let you know when I/we are going. A (FP) | |
| Blacks Beach Going to Black's Beach |
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FireProf Posted: May 21, 2013 |
Weather reports had temps "warmer" than yesterday and it looked like a good day yesterday. I was going to go but decided against it earlier this morning because it was still cloudy and overcast at 9 am. I'll go Thurs. if the weather is good. Thanks for the explanation on the volleyball courts. I still don't have the beach figured out yet. Not sure if there's "sections" of the beach, certain groups hang out, like at San Onofre. I like that the nude section of Black's pretty much starts when you get down the "step" trail, unlike San O where once on the sand ... you still had to walk a 1/4 mi to the nude section. I want to be able to take my wife, daughter and grandkids someday. Is there a particular area where the "families" or "couples" hang out. Does Black's have an area where you may encounter those that are exhibitionists or there is some sexual activity? I don't want to take my grandkids through that type of activity. At San O, it was far enough down the beach that you didn't have to encounter it unless you went for a walk onto the Pendleton property. Thanks for any info. FP | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudism vs Exhibitionism |
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FireProf Posted: May 20, 2013 |
This is true ... "exhibitionism" is not nudism ... but where is the line? Who makes those rules? Nudism is changing from what it was in the 50's, 60's 70's ... each decade has seen changes that the previous decade nudists didn't like or agree with. We have young nudists now that don't agree with what the majority of veteran nudist think nudism should be and that's keeping them away. Maybe some of the things they think are harmless acts of fun ... are "exhibitionism" to the veteran nudist. Is ANY form of nudity in public, where the public "might" see you, a form of exhibitionism? If so, who made up that rule? Is the Bare To Breakers exhibitionism? Is the WNBR exhibitionism? Who said it is? We can use all the dictionaries to find the definition of exhibitionism and we'll still have nudists and textiles that don't agree on it and have their own spin on what the definition means and what they think people are thinking when they do some things ... they don't agree with. Being naked in public to get a reaction from clothed society is not always exhibitionism ... just like the B to Breakers or WNBR ... or knowing your surroundings and knowing when you can push the envelop and extend your nudity to public areas WITHOUT being seen or have taken precautions NOT be be seen ... naked. Going out to the road to fetch your trash cans, mail, the newspaper ... and doing it topless ... or naked ... is NOT exhibitionism IF you don't intend for anyone to see you or your not doing it to be lewd or shock people with it. But then again ... that's only MY interpretation of the definition! LOL :D | |
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FireProf Posted: May 20, 2013 |
With regards to Cars Land. A bit of advice. Because the "Cars" ride is still quite new and very, very popular ... you need to get in line very early at California Adventure. You need to go toward Bugs land. There you will see the "Fast Pass" machines for the Cars ride. Get a Fast Pass. We have been to the park numerous times. The "Standby" line is usually over an hour and a half long. Fast Pass holders usually wait about 20-25 mins. We got in the park at 10 am and went straight to the Fast Pass for the Cars ride and our Fast Pass return time was 5:30 pm. They were done handing out Fast Passes for this ride before 10:30 am. Ya gotta get there early or ... stand in line for almost 2 hrs. Have a great time! | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudism vs Exhibitionism |
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FireProf Posted: May 19, 2013 |
SB ... maybe I can shed a little light on this subject, because I've done the same thing and after I explain ... you tell me if you still feel it's a type of exhibitionism or out and out exhibitionism. ;) We live in a tract of homes. Our mailboxes are no longer right in front of our homes and are now "gang mailboxes" in a central location. Ours happens to be about 5 houses down the street. If I could get away with it ... I'd walk down there in a heartbeat and get our mail naked ... everyday. I can't. There have been times when I've gotten up at dark 30 in the morning cuz I can't sleep. I'm talking 2:30am, 3:30 am, 4am and haven't gotten the mail from the day before. I could wait til I get dressed in shorts, t shirt, sweatpants, sweatshirt ... whatever the weather dictates. But since we are naked inside or home about 98%+ of the time ... I will sometimes grab a robe and head out to get the mail during these very early hours of the morning. Is it "possible" that someone would see me? Sure, that's why I have the robe on. Has this happened in the last 5 years since we've lived here, yes ... twice. The newspaper guy both times. What did I do? Saw him coming in plenty of time to close the robe. Opening the robe only gives me the feeling of being naked, without being completely naked and exposed ... in the case that "someone" drives by at those times, comes out of their house at that time. To me, the exhibitionist side would be if I kept the robe open while I was walking back and forth to the mailbox with a higher percentage of chance I'd be seen and ... not closing the robe or partially closing the robe. I've can only equate this action to my nude driving. It's an extension of my nude life. If I was an exhibitionist ... I'd drive my classic car naked. But it sits low to the ground and does not have tinted windows and ... it's an attention getter. NO one cares about my truck but many people drive up to the Chevelle and pace me, give me a thumbs up. Those are times when I'd be seen and that's why I do not drive my classic car nude. So I take all these precautions, even going to the mailbox with a robe on but will leave it open to feel the cool air, warm air on my body as I walk ... without anyone else out or around and IF they are ... I can close it! :) | |
| RV'ing/Camping Nudists Nude camping trips for 2013 |
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FireProf Posted: May 18, 2013 |
Hey Nilo, has the San O volleyball group moved to Black's or are you all hanging out at clubs for now? | |
| RV'ing/Camping Nudists Nude camping trips for 2013 |
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FireProf Posted: May 18, 2013 |
Hmmmmm .... that might work. I'll bounce it off the group and the Prof! Thanks! :) | |
| RV'ing/Camping Nudists Nude camping trips for 2013 |
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FireProf Posted: May 18, 2013 |
Rusty ... I'd love to ... but the Prof is still teaching in May, that's a tough month with research papers to grade and then finals. She "may" be in the last month of her career as well. Thanks for the invitation but I'm pretty sure we'd not be able to make it in May. Our calendar opens up immensly once she retires and our close friend, who's also in education, also retires. Then our group plans to start traveling during different times of the year instead of Winter and Summer. It would be great to meet you in person as well. We'll get there someday! :D | |
| RV'ing/Camping Nudists Nude camping trips for 2013 |
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FireProf Posted: May 18, 2013 |
Our group of friends is always looking for new places to meet and stay. A couple of friends have stayed at Sun Meadows and speak highly of it. It seems like a location that would work for 3 of the 4 couples. We live the furthest away ... so we'd probably fly in and rent a car. Unless we were going to extend our vacation time and then we'd motorhome up there and visit places on the way back. Hope your stay at Sun Meadows was a good one. :) | |
| Absolute Naturists A Paradox? |
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FireProf Posted: May 17, 2013 |
...But you just said ... if it's chilly, you put clothes on. How can you be nude 100% of the time, even at a nude resort ... if it's freaking cold out!? :D | |
| Blacks Beach Going to Black's Beach |
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FireProf Posted: May 16, 2013 |
Are there two volleyball court areas? I've seen the ones that are closest to the trail? I was there a while back and some guy took his volleyball and headed quite a ways north to, what he called, the volleyball courts. ? | |
| Blacks Beach Going to Black's Beach |
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FireProf Posted: May 15, 2013 |
Well ... it was windy at the top and breezy on the beach. The windsock at the Glider Port was sticking straight back! According to the weather report ... it was suppose to clear around 11 am. Well ... it was clear when I got into the parking lot at 9:30 am! I got unloaded and down to a spot on the beach, naked and in my chair by 9:50 am. It was a little chilly and not many people on the beach that early. I kept my long sleeve t shirt on til about 10:30 am, when it started getting warmer. The breeze slowed down around 11 am and I had to leave at 4 pm but it was still nice on the beach. Okay crowd. Had to spring into action 4 times today! 1) this dork with his camera and telephoto lens followed a young college woman and waited for her to pick her spot. I watched him and he began to get set up. I walked over to where she was sitting, which was about 300 ft away from me. I told her that she might wanna wait to get undressed until we talked to the guy with the camera. She thanked me and I asked the guy to take a hike ... and he did. 2) was the young guy that moves and moves and moves to get a better location next to young women. He kept moving all his stuff and pretending to do yoga. When the young woman left to return to the parking lot for a forgotten item, I talked with this young man and he found someplace else to go. I told him how obvious he was being and get got so red ... you'd thought he'd been laying in the sun all day. 3 and 4) two guys, one old man and one younger guy that didn't even try and be secretive about what they were doing. Putting their towels right behind this young woman. I walked over, talked to her again. Asked if she wanted me to talk to these two creeps and she was more than happy to have be clear her space. The older guy didn't speak english that well but I called his bluff and told him to leave or I'd talk to the Lifeguards and they'd remove him from the beach. He wouldn't move, I walked toward the Lifeguard truck and when I turned around ... he was hightailing it outta there. Did the same with the younger guy. He just left and found another female to bother. He soon found out she was not alone and was with her boyfriend or husband. That almost got physical. All in all, a nice day at Black's. I'd go again tomorrow but ... I think I'll go to GE tomorrow. | |
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FireProf Posted: May 14, 2013 |
Hmmmmmm ... if it's breezy ... it can be a little chilly. I'll recheck in the morning and if it's still the same or ... cooler ... Glen Eden then! :) | |
| Blacks Beach Going to Black's Beach |
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FireProf Posted: May 14, 2013 |
If the weather holds ... I think I'll head down there tomorrow. Hoping not to get one of those last minute "grandpa" calls. I could sure use a day in the sun and sand. :D | |
| nude driving So....how often and where do you drive nude? |
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FireProf Posted: May 14, 2013 |
I was able to get a little nude driving in today. It's been hot here in So Cal. Shorts, t shirt and flip flops are the uniform of the day. Upside ... easy on, easy off. Tomorrow I'll get a bit more in. If I go to the beach, it's an hour drive there and about an hour and a half home (traffic). I've been driving through a Starbucks for a drive home drink. It makes the time go by much easier til I have to go to the bathroom! hahaha :D | |
| RV'ing/Camping Nudists Nude camping trips for 2013 |
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FireProf Posted: May 14, 2013 |
We thought our daughter was going to use the motorhome the end of the month and sometime in June but their plans fell through. Looks like I'll go get the coach and get it ready for a weekend getaway to ... someplace to get naked! :D | |
| Emergency Medicine Nudists Keeping in touch with the department |
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FireProf Posted: May 14, 2013 |
It's not keeping in touch with the department as much as it is keeping in touch with some of the guys, that I enjoy doing. When I retired, I found out that two guys I had worked with actually were nudists as well but kept it a secret on the department. I, on the other hand, was pretty open, vocally and physically. I was told that one guy I worked with, on occasion, used to frequent San Onofre Beach, north of San Diego. As frequently as we visited, we never saw him there. Another guy I worked with regularly never mentioned that he and his wife visited the same resort we did in Palm Springs. Funny thing was ... he was always poking fun at me for being a nudist and he and his wife were nudists all along. Finally met up with him at our club. I was on another website and was browsing various "friends" of my friends and actually found a retired guy from our department. We've been conversing a little and hope to meet up someday in the future. :D | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudism vs Exhibitionism |
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FireProf Posted: May 14, 2013 |
Well Jim ... it's too bad we're not running the police dept, sheriff's dept and the DA's office! hahaha :D | |
| Absolute Naturists A Paradox? |
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FireProf Posted: May 14, 2013 |
You ask a question ... only those that cause this "paradox" can answer. We can speculate, give some reasons why "we" may think their issues might be... but ... ONLY those people you question ... have the answer. The rest is just SWAG (Scientific Wild Ass Guess) Being or calling yourself an Absolute Naturist doesn't automatically desolve all concern, fear, uncomfortable feelings, embarrassment ... in situations where you're the only one naked. THAT comes from within and whether you're a part time nudist, most time nudist, full time nudist or an Absolute Nudist ... doesn't take any of that away from your personality. But ... for me/us, I think I answered that as best I could. :D | |
| Absolute Naturists A Paradox? |
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FireProf Posted: May 14, 2013 |
I understand ... but is it really "us" that's causing this "paradox" or is it the very venues we visit to be "nude?" You can't put the blame on those "CO" people if they are allowed to visit "nude" venues and managment doesn't say anything. I've only visited one club, so far, that actually enforced the "nude mandatory" policy and when it wasn't being complied with, the owner asked those that weren't complying ... to leave (politely). I don't get it either ... why go to a nude resort or club and not get naked. But SB ... since you live in a nudist community, don't you see this as well? Why are your neighbors dressing (if they are and do). Some of these people, I see at our club, are dressed and I've heard them say ... "I just don't feel like being naked." I don't know that I ever feel that way. hahaha So ... should I feel uncomfortable or should I let it bother me being the only nudist nude in a nude venue. Probably not and maybe I'm not really uncomfortable or bothered as much as I am perplexed at why so many "nudists" feel the need to be dressed when they don't have to. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: May 13, 2013 |
Exactly! With regards to cameras ... both neighbors across the street in two story homes have already seen me and just wave and smile. Our next door neighbors are new ... well, they've been in the house for over a year. There's NO WAY they haven't seen me naked. I'm so certain because at one point they closed the shutters on the one window overlooking our yard. The other window is where their shower is so ... I know they close that in the evenings when showering. I've done almost everything short of erecting a 16' block wall to block their view. The yard is heavily landscaped on that end but I have two trees that keep dying and that's where my "total" privacy issues are. I put up umbrellas and shades but I will not crawl or creep to the trash cans or while I'm walking from the inside to the outside of the house. I continue to get in and outta our pool and hot tub, float on a air mattress in the pool. I think I'm entitled to privacy just as they are. I'm not lounging with the intent for them to get a good look at me. I'm just living as I normally do. I think that's the reason we haven't had the cops here because I'm not being an exhibitionist and they either respect that or have accepted that and decided I'm really not harming anyone. They've had family stay with them and when they do ... they close those shutters. So I know they've seen me/us. I've witness more "exhibitionism" from textiles more than I have from nudists. Flashing comes to mind with exhibitionists and that's usually a textile situation. I find it strange that nudism and exhibitionism be thought of as the same or related when ... exhibitionism usually deals with someone clothed or covered and exposes their hidden naked self or parts of their body for a reaction. While nudists don't want to wear clothes in the first place so ... is it really "exposing" their hidden parts when they are naked? It's late and I'm babbling ... I should stop and go to bed! hahahaha :D | |
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FireProf Posted: May 13, 2013 |
I get into some "warm" discussions regarding one aspect of "my" nudist life that others seem to also enjoy, with some that think my driving nude is also exhibitionism. I have no intention of being seen by others while I'm driving naked. I drive a high profile truck, my windows, on the truck, are tinted dark ... as dark as I can get without it being "limo" dark and get a ticket. I have a pair of shorts or towel nearby to cover if I even "think" there's a possibility of being seen. I've tested all these things with my wife in an adjacent vehicle and she can't even tell if I have a shirt on our not. All of this and still ... some nudists insist I'm being an exhibitionist. I've eluded to the fact that I go out to my truck and mail box very late at night or very early in the morning in the least amount of clothing I can but still ensure that if someone is out driving around ... I have the ability to cover ... still some think I'm an exhibitionist. I've found the some of these people have the idea that the ONLY place you should be nude is inside your home or at a resort or club that allows you to be nude. They like to follow the rule of "appropriate" settings and there is no other place you should be nude. I have a pretty private backyard. I have neighbors that have stated that "I should be able to do what I want in my backyard and if neighbors don't like what they see ... they should stop looking into your backyard." But ... if I'm seen by the neighbor from their 2nd story window ... am "I" the exhibitionist or simply living my nudist life and not bothering anyone, nor am I flaunting my nudity. Being outside in our yard, driving naked; be it my truck, our other cars or our motorhome, being naked in our hotel rooms, anywhere we can while on vacation or a weekend getaway ... it's all about an extension of our nudist lives and too many times, some of these things we do, get lumped into an area that they shouldn't be, in my opinion. But ... your opinion may vary and who's to say ... which opinion is right? :D | |
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FireProf Posted: May 13, 2013 |
Of course it makes sense txbiker, but even with us Absolute Nudists ... it's not a "one size fits all." If you're okay with it and can deal with it ... that works for you ... but does that mean it has to work for everyone else? My experience was one where we wanted to visit a known "nude" venue. The weather was cooperative enough for nudity most of the time. It got a little cool at night, enough so my wife wore a pareo and long sleeve, sheer, t shirt. It kept the cold off enough but she wanted to still be somwhat undressed. The next morning at breakfast ... "we" were the only ones naked and were made to feel uncomfortable by the several others in the place that looked at us as though we were doing something outta the ordinary. "That" made my wife uncomfortable, which then makes me uncomfortable and somewhat angry. When the majority of those around you are nudists and decide to be dressed and then look at you as though you're not following protocal ... it takes you back a step. It's really not a big deal. We don't have to make everything a big deal and sometimes ... we tend to make mountains outta mole hills on some topics that ... really don't mean that much and we all have differing opinions. Neither one "is" right and there doesn't need to be a right or wrong answer or side. :D | |
| Absolute Naturists A Paradox? |
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FireProf Posted: May 13, 2013 |
In a perfect world for nudists ... yeah, it would be great to have the right and opportunity to be naked anywhere and everywhere ... BUT ... seriously, it's NOT going to happen. As I've stated before, I'd be happy just to be able to do simple things on my property without fear of retaliation or the cops being called. Some of us have experienced the "uncomfortable" feeling while nude at a nude resort and the majority of the others were clothed. It's not that "we" felt uncomfortable being nude, it was that we were "made" to feel uncomfortable for being nude. I was amazed at the stares and raised eyebrow looks we got because we were naked and they were not ... and we were at a nude resort! I think it's "this" situation that tends to bother most Absolute Nudists when they are made to feel uncomfortable while in their own environment. Yes ... you can be made to feel uncomfortable by residents, managment and regular members and guests when you visit a place for the first time, are told it's a "nude" resort and you are required to be naked when weather permits and then when you are ... they are not and you're the odd man out. You can be made to feel uncomfortable and unwelcomed ... no matter how much of an Absolute Naturist you are. The policies of the club/resort should be enforced and those that are not comfortable with being naked when possible, should question themselves ... why the hell they put themselves in that environment. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Clothing at Nudist Clubs... Is there a problem? |
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FireProf Posted: May 13, 2013 |
I don't think it's a bad thing to have both, CO resorts and clubs and "nude" clubs. We actually prefer "nude" clubs but most of those have actually gone CO. Is "clothing a problem" at nudist clubs; in a word, yes. We are ALL aware of the saying ... "nude when possible, clothed when practical." Good words to live by and manage a nudist venue but many of these rules are only meant for certain people and many others ... get away with being dressed all the time and no one says anything. I recently visited our club for the day. I needed to clean our motorhome before I took it back to storage. I could have cleaned it out in front of our home but would be constantly putting on and taking off my shorts to go back and forth to the garage or house for supplies. I thought about it and decided to rent an RV space for the day at our club and be able to be naked all day while cleaning and straightening the RV. It also was a weekday and since our club is quiet on the weekdays ... seemed a good idea to spend a little money at the club and help them out. It was a warm day, probably in the low 80's. Nothing better than doing what I had to and doing it naked. I was amazed at how many residents were walking around dressed. They were walking their dogs, visiting others at campsites, walked over to the pool area to watch the work being done and some sat and visited with vacationing nudists parked beside me. They sat there in the sun, the heat and remained clothed for over 2 hrs before they left to go to their home up one of the small residential roads of the club. I wonder if some of these residents feel like ... "we can and are nude most all the time, it's something different to wear clothes!" I don't know what it is but ... I find it strange and I find more of it happening at more and more of the clubs we visit ... more and more people visiting, vacationing and living in nude communities and always wearing clothes. I'm not sure what their reasons are but ... to me, it's not only strange but goes against the very thing they moved into that environment for in the first place. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Would you take your mother to a nudist venue? |
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FireProf Posted: May 10, 2013 |
Without a doubt ... I'd take her! She was more social then I am! She would probably have been the center of attention. Never a minute without some funny story or a joke. She would have had a good time and those around her would have too. ;) It's hard to imagine because my mother was so conservative. She probably would have had a tougher time seeing me naked instead of the other way around. I know our son in law had a tough time with seeing the Prof naked for the first time ... but he got over soon enough and spent the entire week with us and I do think it made "their" relationship stronger and help their ability to speak each others minds to each other. | |
| Southwest Arizona - Southern California Greetings and welcome. |
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FireProf Posted: May 7, 2013 |
Meet ups work best for me, currently, during the week, as do visits to Black's. With the Prof working and our grandkids involved in sports activities ... our weekends get booked up quickly and frequently. We'll have more time together once she retires but that'll be another year at best. But ... keep me posted if there are trips to the beach or DeAnza on the weekdays and I'll do my best to get there. ;) | |
| Southwest Arizona - Southern California Greetings and welcome. |
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FireProf Posted: May 7, 2013 |
Greetings and thanks for allowing me membership. We are in wine country, north of San Diego. Been here a little over 5 years and are enjoying it. We have very close friends that own a vacation home in Lake Havasu and we get out there quite often to visit them, when they are there. We've not been to Yuma but have been to Jacumba and to DeAnza Springs. Though we've only been once, we do want to go out there and stay for a couple days and do some hiking. I've been going to Black's Beach as often as the weather permits. Appreciate being able to meet others that may frequent the same places and hope to make your aquaintance in the future. :) | |
| nude driving So....how often and where do you drive nude? |
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FireProf Posted: May 7, 2013 |
Hadn't had the chance to do much nude driving until the weather changed about a month and a half ago. It has been consistantly warmer and shorts are the dress for the day ... when you have to be dressed. For some time ... I was slipping the shorts on and off every 5-7 mins. I then read a post from someone that he didn't drive naked for those "short" trips but saved it for longer ones. (nudony) I didn't agree with this at first but ... after running some errands and having slipped the shorts off and on several times ... I thought ... maybe this guy has the right idea. I've since changed up my routine and save those nude drives for longer amounts of time, such as the ride to the beach or club and longer. My enjoyment for nude driving hasn't changed one bit but my lack of enjoyment of putting and taking off the shorts numerous times in 30 mins ... was a bit dumb! hahaha BTW ... returned from a weekend trip and got to the airport parking lot. No one around ... stripped and got in the truck and drove home. My wife looked over at me and said ... "feel better!?" I said ... "Absolutely!" ;) | |
| When your spouse is not a nudist My wife just does not understand me. |
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FireProf Posted: May 7, 2013 |
In my opinion ... when a significant other "won't" understand what nudism is about or why their significant other prefers to be naked all the time, their focus on the nudity is centered around sex. When a significant other "doesn't" understand nudism ... there may be two things wrong; 1) there's little or no communication or 2) they don't believe what they are hearing. You can be between a rock and hard place with a significant other that is not willing to participate or even listen and there may be no way around it. I know this from personal experience ... BUT ... it doesn't mean that this is what "everyone" is or has experienced. It's not only males that have this issue with a significant other, females can certainly experience this as well, like our daughter. Some people just don't get it and don't want to get it, hear about it, read about it and certainly not see it. The open dialog must take place about other things before you broach the topic of simple, non sexual, everyday nudity with your significant other, as a lifestyle and not only for showering, bathing or sex. If the lines of communication are closed on certain topics remotely close to nudity, such as sex, then there is most likely a connection between nudity and sex that the reluctant significant other can't get their heads around. My wife and I talk about everything and tell each other everything. That's the way a marriage should be. The simple, non sexual nudity came without trying and became second nature very early in our marriage. But then again ... we were pretty open with each other when we were dating. Hope you're able to make some progress ... cuz normally, we get more stubborn with age. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Are Nudist's Cheap? |
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FireProf Posted: May 5, 2013 |
I think everyone's gotten cheap! hahahahahahaha In all seriousness ... I was spending money like a drunken sailor for so long ... that when I retired and the economy went to hell ... I tightened up the financial belt and do things a lot differently. I still try and "pay it forward" as much as I can. We try and visit as many clubs and resorts to spead our cash around and patronize those venues but ... we've got less cash to distribute. I won't exclusively go to hot springs, beaches ... etc., because they don't cost anything. I think some "nudists" and some people in general, are more frugal than others but ... I think it's just inherent ... and not just because they are nudists. | |
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FireProf Posted: May 2, 2013 |
WE've had very nice weather the past week and this week as well. Going to be 90+ for the next couple days and thru the weekend. The heat's never really affected me when I had a beard and I've had the mustache for over 25 years ... don't think I remember not having it til I look at pictures from early 1980's. I did shave it off for about a week but caught so much flack that I grew it back. My youngest grandkids were wondering who I was! hahaha It looked funny ... I had a tanline! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: May 1, 2013 |
My mother drove a Corvair for a few years. Dark green, tan interior and tan top. Seems strange ... I did a term paper on Ralph Nader and "Unsafe at Any Speed." My mom said she knew that her Corvair was! hahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 29, 2013 |
Nice naked driving trip Ken! I will be getting back to my normal routine of driving naked most everywhere, now that the weather has changed enough to wear as little as possible. I'll be taking some nudist friends to the airport today, which is about an hour away. SO ... I'll get in about 2+ hrs of naked driving and then some when I get back into town. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 28, 2013 |
Have a fun and safe naked drive! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 28, 2013 |
I hear this quite a bit ... are there kids there. I've found that all of those that many parents also say ... "if I had known there would be other kids ... I would have brought ours." I think you just have to take your kids ... and take them frequently. Once other adults/parents see that there are kids there, they will bring theirs as well. I think what would happen is that those with kids will exchange information and let each other know that they are going to be visiting so you or they can decide if they will also make plans to visit at the same time. We took our daughter's and grandkids to a nude resort in the caribbean. Other parents came up to us and said ... "if we had known there would be other children here, we would have brought our kids too." I think those of us with small children that also enjoy being nude, should just take them and take them as often as we can. Others will see that there are other children and they will soon decide that they should do the same thing. But I think we too often wait for someone else to make the first move. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 28, 2013 |
I'm fine with it! Being a Charger fan has been quite depressing these past few years. Same ol' plays, same outcome on almost every series of offensive possession. Our QB having little, if no time, to throw the ball ... they needed help on the offensive line and I think they are moving in that direction. With new leadership in the front office, a new coach and rebuilding our offensive line and defensive backs ... I hope to see an improvement. Hell ... anything good will be an improvement! hahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 27, 2013 |
Rusty ... I think we all experience those 1st nights in the RV while camping. Seems like you finally get everything working right, everything set up the way it works best for you and then have a great night's sleep ... and then it's time to pack it all up and head for home! hahaha Your story's got me thinking about taking the motorhome outta storage and heading to the club for a few days. Weather's cooperating and I could go for some naked camping. Continue to have a good time! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 24, 2013 |
I don't have much regarding "updated" information on this beach ... BUT ... I did talk with the President of the Friends of San Onofre Beach group at a nude 5K run. He said they are still working on this issue and some movement had been made and that they will be getting the word out on some updated information in the near future. He didn't want people to think that those leading the fight, have stopped fighting, which they have not. As soon as I hear more, I will post it. In the mean time, many of us that were regulars at San O are going to Black's. As I hear updated info ... you will too! | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 23, 2013 |
Ahhhh yes ... May/Grey and June/Gloom ... it will be hit and miss these next two months. My trips down there will be spontaneous. If the weather is predicted to be good enough for the beach ... I'll make that determination that morning to head down there. I'll do my best to post something to let those interested ... know. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 23, 2013 |
I'll let ya know when I'm going Josh. Hopefully we can make our schedules mesh. | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 22, 2013 |
I had planned on going this week but doesn't look like it's gonna happen. We have friends, also nudists, that are coming to stay this weekend. Lots to do before they arrive so ... I'm running errands and getting the place ready for hosting our own little nudist gathering. It'll have to be the following week. The week of April 30th to May 2nd ... and then the following week. I need to go back to work! I was less busy and had more free time when I was working! hahahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 22, 2013 |
I would use this group if I were going to relocate. I'd like to know more about the place I think I might relocate to then just where I can be naked. I can do that research on my own and we're beyond the point of keeping our nude lifestyle from contractors or a real estate agent. I wish I could get my wife to loosen up the same way with telling some of our friends and our neighbor. But ... if I were going to move to FL, CA, WA, CO, AZ ... I'd not only use this to try and find a real estate agent in that area to help us find a nude friendly home, but to get to know more about the area I'm looking into. Maybe ... I wouldn't like the area after I hear about it. I, as well, would tell you (anyone in general) about any areas in Southern California they are thinking about relocating to and what we know and what we've experienced, if we have friends or family that live in that area and what the nudist opportunities there are. | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 22, 2013 |
Welllll ... it's gone again! hahahahaha As of 8:16 pm PDT, Monday, April 22nd ... it's gone! hahahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 20, 2013 |
I certainly believe that if a petition was written and sent to government officials to take into consideration ... it would start with NAC or GAT and worded professionally, intellegently and have some factual data to back up our reason's for the petition and admittance for consideration. It's still not going to happen with just a few or severl hundred signatures on it. ALL nudists have to decide if this is truly what they want and are willing to be open and honest enough to sign it with their full names. I signed the Nudist Bill of Right with my name and last initial. I later decided ... I need to sign my full name and it took me months to get AANR to answer my requests to change it ... and they never did. These petitions come up every so oftent and it would be great if we could get one off the ground but ... I don't see it happening until ALL of us are willing to get on the band wagon. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 20, 2013 |
hahahahahah ... Admin must not have liked my banter about the badge ... mine is now gone! hahahahahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 20, 2013 |
In keeping with SB's last comment. Our new neighbors have not been as accessible as we'd hoped ... but ... At one point they had most likely seen me/us in the backyard naked. They closed the shutters on the one window that looks down on most of our backyard. They are both now open again. We've just continued to live as we live, inside. We did a fair amount of naked gardening yesterday in the early evening. In taking the clippings to the bin ... I greeted the neighbor (male) who is over 6' tall and his head is over the fence line. He just smiled and waved and said "hi," and I did like wise. That's the way we decided to approach these new neighbors until they are more accessible and we can sit and talk over coffee, wine ... even a glass of water! ;D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 20, 2013 |
I think we're off point here. I don't care about these badges. They can have all of mine. They really don't mean anything ... to me, but ... I still wonder; if a member needs to do all those things that this "badge" requires ... how is it possible for members who have "just" joined ... to earn that badge, when so many others who have contributed for months and months and even years ... haven't earned that badge? And ... I see ... you don't even have one of these Comm. Leader badges on your profile and you certainly do all that is listed in the how to get one" category. For what they are worth; some of these "badges" lend some credibility to a member, be they AANR members, Premium members, "verified" members, group owners, mods ... etc. We are all about making sure people are here for the right reasons and are who they say they are. Many group owners and Mods look over these profiles when making decisions if a person's admittance into a group, if they fit the group's mantra ... but when some of us look at a "new" member's profile, see a picture, nothing about the person is written, they've just joined and they are given this "badge" ... what does it say about the standard on which it was awarded? Why is this person a "Community Leader" when we know nothing about him/her? I think it could be a positive thing to have some members have that badge ... but it seems to just be given out without any reason. There are some members here that I haven't agreed with, lately, but they are true contributors to this site, maybe not monetarily, but visit, post, start threads, take over groups ... it just doesn't make sense not to acknowledge those members but give someone one of these badges when they've just joined and have yet to post a single post. If you're gonna have these dang things and have a policy or standard to giving them out ... wouldn't it make sense to adhere to those standards when handing them out? I'd still like to hear from NCH staff. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 19, 2013 |
I gotta agree with CaptWillie. This petition isn't worded correctly or intellegently to send before any government group or individual and taken seriously. Maybe that's why it only has 245 signatures. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 19, 2013 |
There in, is my point, Wayne. How can someone that "just joined," hasn't put ANYTHING in their profile ... have accomplished all you've noted. I'd really like to hear from Admin/Moderators of NCH, not specific group owners or Mods cuz they don't make the determination. But handing out these badges seems to be tied to something other than actually contributing to the site. Heck ... lots of members are on here several times a day, contribute to many groups and they don't have that "badge." I'm inclined to believe agree that many of these badges are just like the "status" titles other sites give out, like; Super Nudist, Ultra Nudist, Gold Member, Platinum Member ... they really mean nothing. But ... I'd still like an explanation from Admin. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 19, 2013 |
Admin, staff ... someone in the know, please answer this question. There's a new badge that NCH is giving out and I see NO rhime or reason for the way it's given. It's the "Community Leader" badge. Lately, we group owners and moderators have seen "new" members of this website post a profile picture, their age and where they live ... and NOTHING else ... and are "Community Leaders." WHAT is that badge for? How is it earned and why does it continually appear and gone as soon as it appears? Can someone please give us some details on this badge. Thanks. FP :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 19, 2013 |
I think "some" clubs and resorts "hinder" the growth by excluding certain genders but then again ... if they didn't, would less and less couples or women, in general, stop going? I don't have any data and don't know if anyone really does. I think that those that make up their rules for their respective clubs and resorts ... don't like something or had a bad experience ... made up their rules and polices on that/those specific incidents. The growth of public nudity; I think this goes along with your (SB's) statement on another thread regarding ... something about a bus leaving the station/curb(?). I don't think our clubs and resorts do enough "marketing" in the general public. I think that a number of them want to leave "well enough alone." If they don't know we're here ... they won't bother us. Clubs, resorts, organizations, non landed clubs ... they all need to get out there and spread the word but ... there's a Catch 22. If you're more vocal and open ... then your membership, visitors, residents... need to be willing to be more open and honest about what they do for recreation or the way they live ... an many nudists are ready to do that. Our club has a large billboard adjacent to a fairly busy interstate ... but there's little mention of what goes on in there, just the club's website address at the bottom of large words, such as; "Volleyball" Water Volleyball, Tennis courts ... there's never any mention of "nude." Maybe it was agreed upon not to mention that. They do have an annual Nude Car Show but this year's was cancelled due to funds. The car club that sponsers it didn't have enough funds for the permits. I would have thought that the club would share in the cost because the car show IS open to the public. Not sure how many people we get off the street that come in for the car show and then take a tour BUT ... I do know that they staff the front office "heavy" as well as have most all of the "hospitality tour guides" taking people on tours. Are they off the street or those that were coming to the club anyway ... not sure. Our club, I don't think, operates any differently than most clubs. The office staff and management are cautious of those they let in, which is good, but I think they also give off a vibe that "you're not wanted." That's the way they treated me when I first visited alone. I'm one of the "fairhaired" boys now since me and my wife wife joined several years ago, but their initial presumptions of me were completely incorrect. I just think some nudist venues stereotype too many people, too many groups and it could be hurting our growth. But the growth of public social nudity is a marketing thing and a community involvement kinda thing. I think more clubs could be doing more of this. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 17, 2013 |
I tried to find an existing thread to ask this and this is as close as I could get. WHAT is the policy on uploaded pictures? There are pictures being posted and on the home page that clearly show males with erections. Is this allowed? | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 17, 2013 |
I'll agree with "nudeinoregon." My daughter, her BF and her other close friend are interested in visiting our club and possibly joining ... they are in the 30 something age group. They still like to have fun but they are getting away from getting hammered and staying up til 4 am. They all have kids and they think the kids would enjoy skinny dipping. Resorts have just about priced them out of attendance. They are all about packing lunches, coolers and having space for their kids to run around, play in the pool, go on hikes/walks. A club offers much more of that. The 20 somethings; I just don't think their heads are in the right place for a "club." They don't want to "join" anything, they don't want to have to "join" an organization, their perceptions of clubs are of "old" people just sitting around on lounge chairs taking naps. They are still in the "party" mode and frankly ... even though our clubs have "parties," they aren't the kind of parties this age group is looking for. The 30 somethings are the right group to target. They kinda "get it" but aren't 100% sure yet and want to "check it out." The 40 somethings are the ones that jump right in and either love it or don't. The 30 somethings would be the "weekend" nudists and occasional or periodic visitors until they finally "get it" and join. That's the vibe I'm getting from our youngest daughter's group of friends and I think it's probably true for that generation and the demographic we should be targeting. Ensure there are things for "that" age group to do, activities for their children and area for them to hang out with each other. My 2 cents! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 17, 2013 |
The library is temporarily moved. GE is doing a bunch of renovation to that area of the park. I think they may be moving the library to another area or possibly building a new building for it. That's just speculation cuz I haven't ventured over to the construction site to see what's going on, in detail. | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 16, 2013 |
Maybe it's because ... real nudists can't act! hahaha I hear what you're saying but as long as the right message gets across, it doesn't concern me who's doin' the nude scenes. It would be great to have real nudists play the parts but most times ... if the real nudists are in the background and playing "extra" parts, that works just as well. I found this DVD on "Something Weird Video" for $10. I will gamble with buying it from this site and see what it's all about. I've seen clips of this movie and it seems fun enough. | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 15, 2013 |
In your first paragraph ... that is exactly what I was referring to when I stated ... "a woman's mood changes for various reasons ..." Even within our circle of nudist friends ... our female friends aren't as "into it" as the male spouse is and their mood toward nudity changes for all kinds of reasons. What I find strange and sometimes, alarming, is when I read stories of guys that are told by their wife ... "I don't want to see you naked all the time, put some clothes on." My wife asks me ..."what's wrong, why are you dressed?" hahaha These are the incidents I question as to ... what type of communication is happening within the relationship that one spouse tells another ... "I don't want to see you naked all the time." I/we don't differentiate between seeing each other naked or dressed ... we just love seeing each other and will take seeing each other any way ... why does this happen in "happily married couples"? I find it hard to swallow when someone says ... "I'm happily married but my wife hates seeing me naked and I love being naked." Are you really happy? Is the relationship based on openness and honesty? We had a couple that we used to see annually at a resort. She once asked my wife ... "do you like seeing your husband naked all the time?" ""I hate looking at my husband naked all the time." My wife replied ... "if I don't or can't see him naked all the time ... something's wrong." Like "nudeinoregon" ... his wife is fine with him being nude as much as he wants but asks that he not be nude around the daughter. There's a compromise many can live with. Later ... that issue can be addressed and talked about between those that the issue surrounds, he, his wife and the daughter. Much good comes from open communication and many times you'll find that what was keeping the two sides from coming together is so minimal ... a compromise can be reached or misunderstandings corrected. | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 15, 2013 |
Welcome to the group Kathy! It's great to have club/resort owners here to give us answers to questions and answer them from their standpoint. We hope to hear from you as often as you can contribute. Again ... Welcome to the RV'ing/Camping Nudists Group. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 15, 2013 |
I had posted a lengthy rebuttal to a member that took acception to what I had typed in response to the original poster's comments and to some follow up posts. I've deleted that post because ... after some thought I asked myself ... "do I really care if this person has issues with me?" This person will argue with me if the sky was blue and I said it was. So ... I decided ... "I just don't care!" ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 15, 2013 |
It truly does take time, patience and practice. In the beginning of our marriage, I was in the Navy and was a weekend husband and father. I'll admit that when I did get home on those weekends I could, we couldn't keep our hands off each other ... but afterwards ... we'd just remain naked as long as we could. Sometimes ... we never left the house and we remain naked all day and night. When we got tired of being inside ... we'd wait til it was dark and get our lawn chairs and sit outside in our backyards. Yes ... Happy Wife=Happy Life ... but, I think a wife that is either reluctant, hesitant or out and out against simple non sexual nudity needs to listen and hear the other side of the argument. She needs to realize that maybe, her husband isn't some sex addict or pervert. If those are her fears and concerns ... she needs to voice them and allow him to respond to those fears and concerns. Nudism is one of those topics that some women and some men, even, just want to ignore in hopes that "it" will just go away. When my wife had a setback a few years ago, I just told her that I was going to continue. It was who I was and what I needed. She understood and I went to the beach and to a couple of clubs alone for a while. She opened up more and more and we worked out some of the issues she was having and she re-engaged. But it's not ALWAYS smooth sailing, even around here in this nudist home. But we ride out the storms together, give each other space when needed and talk to each other and listen to each other all the time. It's an ongoing process. Seem to be doing something right. We'll be married 40 yrs in a couple months and been together almost 44 years. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 14, 2013 |
We are far from "home nudists" but I had this situation the other night and thought I'd share. My wife was in the shower and I was naked at the computer when the door bell rang. I slipped on a baseball jersey and answered the door with my bottom half hidden behind the door. Two young people came to the door for Kerby Vaccum Cleaners. The went on and on and I was being polite and told them repeatedly that we were not interested. They persisted and I finally told them ... "look, we are nudists. We don't wear clothes inside. In fact, I've only put this shirt on to answer the door." After I said that ... I saw the young woman look at the door as though she was trying to look through it! He kinda took a step back but then they said ... "well, we'd still like to show you what the vaccum can do." I said, "we are not getting dressed." They looked at each other and the young woman said ... "maybe next time." They both held out their hands to shake mine and she said ... "ya know, you've been the nicest person we've talked to all night. Thanks for being nice." I guess I wasn't nice enough for them to come in and show me the vaccum. hehehe Not sure what I would have done if they said ... "that's okay, we good with that." :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 14, 2013 |
Open and honest communication is the key. I would "suspect" that your wife still equates nudity with sex and that is the major stubbling block. It's a situation that many guys find they "have" to deal with to keep the peace. My wife is a "warm weather" nudist. She won't be "naked" when it's cold but sometimes I wonder why I'm naked when it's cold. hahaha She gets cold easily and so she'll put on a sheer cover up, sometimes a very light sweater and most times has slippers on. The other side is ... when it's warm ... she's naked and so there's where we are with this lifestyle. She's a willing and active participant when the weather allows her to. She enjoys the days at the club, the beach, resorts and gatherings with our nudist friends. She doesn't have an issue with being naked at home with other nudist friends but probably wouldn't go naked if it was someone we'd just met and brought home. For that matter ... we'd probably not bring someone home we'd just met. A woman's mood changes with various things going on in their lives and with their bodies. It's an ongoing learning experience to find when it's a good time to introduce new things and when it's better to leave things as they are. I've found that when we just talk, I tell her what I'm thinking and what I'm feeling and then let her dwell on it and mull it over ... she returns the favor and tells me what she thinks and what she's feeling. Most times, her initial objection or hesitation was out of concern or fear but after thinking about it and us talking about it ... it doesn't seem so scary and less to be concerned about. After 44 years of being nudists together, we still hit bumps in the road but they are momentary and things work themselve out and we're back on a smooth road. It's like that line in the movie Parenthood; "some marriages are like a Merry go round, and others are like the Rollercoaster, the Merry go round does nothing ... up and down, up and down, round and round. We like the Rollercoaster! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 11, 2013 |
In a word, in my opinion, Yes. But it seems that there are some that can't get beyond "this" type of pageant format. What I found interesting about this video is that many, if not all, the female contestants seemed to feel "uneasy" about being on display and being judged about their "beauty" in comparison to the other contestants. One thing, I think, would change that is if the contestants were judged on other things instead of body shaped and type. As stated earlier, talents, experience in nudism, experience and contributions to the host club, education of society on nudism, contributions to furthering the growth of naturism by bringing in new people, new members, new converts. There are many ideas, out there, of how "we" as nudists get passed this "stereotype" of a nudist pageant. But ... it seems it will be an uphill battle to even try and convince ourselves that we can "get passed it." :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 10, 2013 |
dbo, do you care about what the "vast" majority of American people think about what "we" do behind those closed gates? Do you think they are going to think any differently about us because a club or resort has a "pageant? We can try and educate ALL we want and can but we can't change mainstream society's misconception of what we are and what we do. I don't see what the heck a "pageant's" going to change their, already, "head in the sand" attitude toward us. Besides ... "IF" these pageants were to be resurrected ... who are they for? For the nudists attending and participating ... or for the narrowminded society that can't and won't look past their noses as to who and what we are ... with or without the pageants. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 10, 2013 |
Weather permitting ... I'll be there next week. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 10, 2013 |
Popi, hope your gathering is successful and the beginnings of a new part of your naturist life. Have a good time! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 9, 2013 |
Spring 2013 visit from nudists friends from the PNW. In a couple weeks, our close friends from the PNW will visit us for the weekend. Hoping the weather here cooperates and we'll be able to spend lots of time naked in the back yard. If not, I've got a Plan B and we can and will be naked in the covered patio area with a portable LPG fire ring and some wine. Either way ... it'll be great to just be with our friends. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 9, 2013 |
Still have not had a massage from my therapist in a few months. I'd like to call her and make an appointment but ... even though she seems fine with my nudity, our nude lifestyle and didn't flinch at momentary exposure during our last session ... I'm not really sold on her technique. I'd love to find another mobile massage therapist that has a different technique ... but also is okay with nudity. The two we've become friends with and are also nudists ... one is in the caribbean and the other in Palm Springs. Can't get to either place quickly and they both aren't mobile massage therapists! hahaha :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 9, 2013 |
Though it seems to affect more males than females, some female nudists also deal with this particular situation. I know of two women who are the "hardcore" nudists of the couple and the males are ones that can take it or leave it and don't have the need to be naked all the time. I'm certain there are many other female nudists that deal with this but ... those are the two I know well. Though I don't deal with "this" particular problem, my wife doesn't have the "need" to be naked ALL the time. If I am dressed, she wants to know, "what is wrong." If she's dressed/covered, it's either too cold inside the house or we've gone out, come home and need to leave the house again in a short while. I tend to dress in shorts, t shirt and flip flops and even when I wear pants, it's usually with shoes and no socks. I can strip and get redressed quickly. She, on the other hand, wears a bit more and finds it irritating to constantly strip and get dressed, when the need arises ... so sometimes she'll remain dressed. But ... our close family ALL know we are nudists and know that we are almost always naked at home. I've remained nude on several occasions without any problems. My wife will usually slip on her favorite house dress. One of the issues we are dealing with is an upswing in body image issues with my wife. It doesn't matter how much I tell her, she still isn't happy with her current body configuration and it does get in the way of our nudist life, from time to time. Many women do deal with a negative body image and it's something they need to work through. Sometimes a husband's, boyfriend's, close male friend's, encouragement helps, but not always. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 5, 2013 |
Sure, I think it would be a better place if nudity was a human right and allowed. Does it mean I'll go out and be naked ... EVERYWHERE? Depends on the circumstances and frankly ... I don't think I would. I'd settle for being able to be naked, without reprecussions, on my own property. I'd settle for being naked in my garage, my front yard, backyard ... walking down to the mailbox ... simple things. It won't happen in my life time or maybe it will never happen because ... even in the most "openminded" communities ... everyone is still minding someone else's business and all it takes it a few loud squawkers to gather and next thing ya know ... someone's put the stop to that practice or right. There truly aren't enough nudists willing to come forward to even start this discussion at the level it needs to be discussed. We found that with the inability of some to voice outrage at nude venues being taken away. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 5, 2013 |
It doesn't matter to us. The Prof's quote; "they both mean the same ... being without clothing. What's everyone so worked up about?" I asked, she answered! :) For me ... just read any of my posts. I used both words in almost all of my posts. Sometimes "nude" seems to fit better and make the statement read easier. Other times "naked" works better. To me, it's like "nudist" or "naturist." You can have you're definitions and "factions" of both but I think there are far more nude/naked living people that consider themselves both. Nude is, for some, a way to make being without clothing "sound" nicer, more pleasant, more dignified. I don't get it and seems, the Prof doesn't either. :D | |
| LA Naturists Bare Burro 5k |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 4, 2013 |
You'll have lots of company! hahaha My "running" days are over. I'm gonna try and see if my foot surgeries from early last year, hold up to the course ... and I'll be walking for sure! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 4, 2013 |
I like being naked as much as the next Absolute Naturist but go along the same thinking as SB. I'm a nudist and prefer to be naked as much as possible but I'm not stupid! If it's cold, if it's possible there's a very good chance of getting caught, if it's inappropriate ... I will not be nude. If it's cold, rainy, windy ... I'm not heading to the club, the beach or a resort. I'll confine my nudity to inside with the heater on or a fire in the fireplace. But there are times when I'm not naked at home. When we are running errands and we get dressed and are coming and going, dropping things off and getting back in the car in 5-10 mins ... I don't strip off just to be naked and then get dressed again to go back out. There are times when someone that isn't a nudist, is coming to visit and we arrive home 15 mins to a half hour before they arrive. We don't get naked for that short amount of time just to hurry and get dressed again. Now ... when we know we are not going to be disturbed and we're gonna be home for an hour or a little more ... yeah, I'll get naked but most times my wife won't. It depends on how much stuff she's got on. So ... we enjoy our lives as nudists and are nude as much as possible, whenever possible but we are obsessed or fanatical about it! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 4, 2013 |
I will be there and participate. Not sure if my wife will be able to make it but doubtful she'll participate. She did it once and I don't think she wants to do it again! hahaha :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 2, 2013 |
I think, that is how I managed to win Best in Class for Muscle Car at the Glen Eden Car Show in 2011. Much of what had been done to the car was done in a private garage. We didn't paint it but ... the paint job is nowhere near perfect ... in fact it's closer to "ok." The engine work is done by us til we can't figure out what we're doing wrong, then it goes to a local mechanic that solves the problem. We didn't do the upholstery but saved up enough to have a local shop do it and the headliner needs to be done again, but right this time. Lots of cleaning, detail painting, small parts replacing is what we have been doing and maybe ... that's what the judges were looking at ... cuz ... there were several other nice Muscle Cars there and I didn't think I had a chance at anything but some looks! hahaha A lot of those other Muscle Cars had more chrome in the engine compartment than there is on all three of our cars put together! My car is not a daily driver but it gets outta the garage 3-4 days a week, usually. Some of those cars were trailered in, covered, unloaded and then loaded back up, covered and trailered out! I'm sure those guys/gals that received an award because of your "bias" were appreciative of someone noticing their hard work and work done on a fixed budget. Some of those car club people are a bit over the top with these cars. | |
| Middle Aged and Nude What's your advise for young nudists forming groups? |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 2, 2013 |
Betsy ... got a better understanding on what you're looking for. My honest and general opinion is that ... the old generation will be accepting and welcoming to the younger nudists. Sure, there will be those older nudists that will moan and groan that the youngsters are here and they'll be playing loud music and up til all hours of the night ... blah, blah... but a larger percentage would probably like to do some of the stuff they are doing. Having said that ... I think it's imperative that the younger nudists are also accepting of the older crowd wanting to partake in some of their activities. There won't be that many and some of us may be only spectators of the activities, while others may want to get involved and participate. I've stated this before and I think it still holds true today. The younger crowd really needs to get involved with the clubs Activities Director and suggest some things that will bring younger nudists to the club. The younger nudists can't rely on the older nudists to provide activities the younger nudists want because they don't know what they want. There is nothing wrong with a young nudist group forming at an established nudist club. Our club has the tennis group, the volleyball group, the water volleyball group, a singles group ... why not a young nudists group! There are many young nudists at our club and I think they'd welcome a group of their peers to form so they weren't just hanging around us older nudists. Getting together with the Activities Director of a landed club, doing some leg work and getting music more to the younger nudist's liking, maybe a local band that's willing to come and play at a nude venue. A group campout ... get your own volleyball, water volleyball teams together to challenge the established ones, a soft ball game and then a BBQ afterwards to get the two, three generations together. It's certainly not all up to the younger nudists. The older nudists need to be welcoming and accepting and remember the time when they were also at that age. Sometimes we all forget that we were all that age once and that one day ... we will be older. hahaha :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudist Pageantry... should we bring it back? |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 2, 2013 |
I guess when there is little or nothing to say on topic ... the only thing left is to attack someone that is trying to make others THINK outside the box! That's not always easy for some. I think you need to take the personal issues out of the discussion and re-read my post. I was asking rhetorical questions? I would have thought you'd understand that. I think we all know what your opinion is on this topic Skyclad. Be nice to hear from some others with similar or different points of view. :) The issue is; many so called nudists aren't open minded, as you suggest. This topic and discussion calls for openmindedness ... what some have posted is a closed minded view of "what these pageants used to be" therefore they can not be anything else. Have today's nudists become that closeminded? Can we not look passed what these pageants used to be and formulate a different approach or come up with new ideas? Or is it a hopeless case and not worth looking into. SIMPLE QUESTION! :D | |
| Middle Aged and Nude What's your advise for young nudists forming groups? |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 2, 2013 |
Some of these "young nudist" groups are age specific. I looked over the link posted above and couldn't find any age bracket but it did state ... We welcome everyone regardless of race, color, sexual orientation, tattoos, piercings. Please read our mission, goals, and values below to learn what we are all about! ie, the love. ;) There doesn't seem to be "age" in there, so it appears that they are somewhat an "age" specific group. I'm concerned about all these "age" specific groups. It's kind of a "us against them" issue for me, anyway. I do understand that the older nudists seem to dominate most of the social aspects of nudism but ... I always tell the younger groups that ... "they too will be here soon and how would they feel if they were treated with mild segregation." BUT, that said, I think it's important for the younger generation to hang out together with people their own age and the older generation of nudists should not be threatened by this and should welcome it! :D My advice would be to start small. Try forming a non landed group and see how that goes. Brainstorm ideas for things that interest "your" age group, during your gatherings, and take them to your local landed clubs and get involved as a group. It's easier to make changes that way. Enlist the help of the veteran non landed group leaders to find what works and what doesn't. Cheri Alexander is the founder of a non landed group that's been in existance for quite some time and is very successful and well known. She's on here, she can give you some good ideas and advice for your group. I wish you all the luck with your endeavor and hopes it's a huge success! FP :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudist Pageantry... should we bring it back? |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 2, 2013 |
So in essences ... "we", nudists, have changed along with society and are no different then our clothed counterparts? We are not more openminded, accepting of one another, not as bias, prejudice, ... we are no different than "they" except that we are naked, once in a while, sometimes, regularly, frequently or all the time. Hmmmmmm ... seems contradictory to what I read most of the time from nudists. It's true, time's have changed and we have all become to PC. What I don't get is that; people already think we are wierd, that nothing but sex goes on behind the gates of clubs and resorts, that nudity equals sex and there's nothing other than that, unless you're in the shower. Are we "thinking" of ideas to bring back "pageants" to the clubs for "us" ... or for "them?" If "we" think they are all about sex and only for the body beautiful ... then maybe it's time to re-exam our inner thoughts about the lifestyle we've chosen and speak so highly of on other forums or groups. If we're not open minded enough to think outta the box (thanks fiesco!) then we are no better than our clothed counterparts and are just mirroring their thoughts and preceptions of us, what we do and how we live. :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudist Pageantry... should we bring it back? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 31, 2013 |
Calmnude, this is what the original post was aiming for ... and not some pontification on intellectual mumbo jumbo ... but sharing "ideas" on how it could possibly be resurrected or ... left the way it is because people, nowadays, don't have the mental capacity to move forward. There have been some good "general" ideas and not knowing what these "pageants" were like, I have no way of trying to give ideas on how these events could work with some of todays nudist's frame of mind. I think Nudony's getting us on the track to at least investigate it further. | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudist Pageantry... should we bring it back? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 30, 2013 |
This is the part of the initial post that I think some read right passed. SB Quote: "Should we bring these pageants back, but this time in a fun, family orientatd and nudist positive format?" End Quote I've only seen pictures in early naturist magazines that showed these "pageants." I think we need to remember what "naturism" used to be and what it's become. In early days ... it was about health and keeping the body fit with exercise, activity and eating well. That's change and we've become to PC on many issues that we are afraid to speak our minds because someone will think ill of us. I'm not completely sure how we'd go about bringing back the Nudist Pageants in a wholesome, family and positive nudist way ... but denouncing it and speaking negatively of what they used to be is not fair to what their intent was in the mid 19's. I think to speak negatively about them and what went on during those times ... it should come from some actual first hand negative experiences or data showing that they were intent on making feel badly about themselves and that they were purely sexual in nature. Does anyone have any information in that respect? Or is it just conjecture and speculation? | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 30, 2013 |
I see that a couple of you DIDN'T read what SB wrote in her opening post. Some of you are out to make an issue outta something that isn't there and it's meant to try and discredit someone that has done more for the advancement of nudism than some of you have done, besides post on message boards. READ the first post again and comment in that context and stop taking what's said outta context to try and discredit someone. Thanks! :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Mazo Beach - Another one bites the dust.... Is it possible? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 28, 2013 |
I think you're right SB. We found that many people didn't write letters or express outrage at the closure of San Onofre Beach because ... they didn't visit "that" particular beach. We've written so many dang letters to officials as "vacationers" to that particular part of their state with the intent of visiting a club, resort, beach or lake, clothing optional area and that closing said place will keep our vacation dollars away from their state, city, town, county and we will find adjacent, more clothing optional friendly places to visit to spend our money ... and most times ... we've never EVER been to those places I'm writing letters about! Even nudists that frequent a nude beach south of San Onofre ... admitted not writing letters in support of the nudists at San O. They never went so why worry about the effects it had closing that beach. The effects were ... now all those nudists are on their beach and they are all afraid that this beach will be next. If there is ever a time for these two organizations to put down their petty differences and join forces to combat this assault on our beaches, lakes, rivers, club and resorts ... IT IS NOW! We should care and be willing to speak up whether it's a place we've visited, visit occasionally or never visited. ONe day it WILL be "your" favorite place and no one will come to help when one asks. ;) | |
| Clothing Optional Bed & Breakfasts C/O B & B Network On-line |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 28, 2013 |
What is even more amazing, to me, ... is that many so called "nudists" don't know much about the national org's, are members of either org. and know very little about the nudist opportunities around them. We have a circle of nudist friends that we are quite close to. Each time we are together, I take my last few copies of "N" magazine and the Bulletin to share. They will converse amongst each other and say ... "did you know there is a place near your home?" "did you know there's a C O beach, lake, ...near you?" I've tried to explain that there's lots of information out there but they don't seem as eager to do the research ... so most times I get an email asking questions and I either tell them about some place or do the research for them. I've told a great number of people about COHN. I want this company to grow and do well. The more places we have to stay, while traveling, the better for us and we'd rather stay at a nude or clothing optional B&B then at a chain hotel. I guess we all need to chip in where we can and get the word out. I actually enjoy doing that. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 28, 2013 |
Just a few blocks away ... Smaller, friendlier and the owners will talk to you when you call, come out and ask how your stay is going, do what they can to make your stay as relaxing and pleasant as possible and they WILL return your phone call and emails ... The Terra Cotta Inn! Just be aware that there are two days that the owners leave the grounds and take their day's off ... I believe it's Tuesday's and Wednesdays ... but their Manager, Patty, can help you out. But if you want to talk to Tom, the owner, be sure to ask for him when you call, if he's not in, he'll return you call. I'm not sure what's happened to DS. There were lots of good things being said about these new owners but it seems that their customer service has steadily decreased over the past couple years. Their day rates have gone through the roof and they've even resorted to attacking long time return guest, online, when a policy or a incident was questioned. The Terra Cotta Inn ... you'll enjoy yourself, truely. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 26, 2013 |
I get to grow my beard for about two weeks each year for an annual "boys trip" to Death Valley. Came off last night before bed. Man ... there's a lot of white hairs on my face! hahaha | |
| Absolute Naturists Tips & Ideas for Nude Friendly & Comfortable Living Homes |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 26, 2013 |
Fences, blockwalls and landscaping ... I've noticed that, in some areas of the country, many communities/residential areas in some cities and towns don't have fences or blockwalls to deliniate the property or their backyards. We are quite the opposite here in California and especially, here in So Cal. I don't necessarily think everyone here is a nudist but they all do desire their privacy. For your home: Tinting the windows of your home can give you an extra bit of privacy inside your home. It also gives you some protection from the sun and can keep the inside of your home cooler in warmer/hot days. There are different types of shades on the market nowadays. These new shades are on a track and can either be lifted or dropped from top and bottom. You can raise them in the traditional way from bottom to top ... or the opposite way from top to bottom. The top to bottom would work good for you significant other, where you drop the shade so her breasts are not exposed to the outside but you still get that natural light in and this obviously works great for guys where the shade can be dropped even further. Outside: Though we have fences and block walls ... out backyard isn't as "nude friendly" as we'd like. I've had to landscape heavily. Lots of different types of shurbs, trees and hedge plants can give you the necessary coverage and privacy you'll need to get the nude friendly backyard you want and need. I've not been home, most times, when the landscaping was being put in. Had I been, I would have placed these trees and shrubs in different places for "immediate" privacy but we've had to wait a year for some to mature enough to get the privacy we need. Probably the single best tip or idea for a "Nude Friendly & Comfortable Living Home" would be for us to just talk with you neighbors and tell them about your lifestyle and explain that you don't want to expose them to your nudity "if" it offends them and see if they care or if there is something that can be done to mitigate their view, before spending tons of money on things ... you may not even need. :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Is Fantasy Fest a Fantasy Nudist's dream come true? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 20, 2013 |
I don't know ... I've not been to or partaken in either event. What do you think the difference is? ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Is Fantasy Fest a Fantasy Nudist's dream come true? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 20, 2013 |
Yes, I've heard of Garden of Eden, the roof top C/O lounge area. I suspect it's difficult, if not impossible, to get a seat up there or even standing room, during this event! hahaha | |
| Absolute Naturists Is Fantasy Fest a Fantasy Nudist's dream come true? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 20, 2013 |
But aren't there "restrictions" on "full nudity?" I've read trip reports and heard stories from those at the club that "full nudity" isn't allowed unless you're painted? Not knowing and only knowing what I've read and heard, be nice to get a clarification on this. Fantasy Fest seems "harmless" but I don't think it's necessarily a "nudist" event. I think lot of nudists go to Fantasy Fest but these nudists also have another side or other interests that "they" mesh with nudism. Seems fun, not sure if we'd go or not but ... I don't like being on display for the 100's of those that go just to look at naked people. If it were a "nudist" event, it would different, for us, but the way it seems ... I think it's a bit on the exhibitionist side and that's just not us. Seen pictures and I gotta tell ya ... there are some talented body painters in Key West! Some of these body paintings are amazing. | |
| Absolute Naturists Has this group's discussions changed your outlook on social nudity? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 16, 2013 |
To be honest ... I don't think so. :D I think the vast majority of people have their minds and opinions made up and think they are right and that their way is the way all people should think. I will admit that I will read and/or listen to what others have to say but their ideas, opinions and philosophies don't ALWAYS mirror mine. The only "change" I've had with regards to "social nudity" is that, after reading the many posts from those that actually live in a nudist community ... I want to live there even more. It may not happen ... so I don't fret, worry or let it consume me. If the opportunity arises ... I'll see what happens then. I've found, through these discussions, that a great number of people don't care for anyone else's opinions or that they feel that their type of "social nudism" is the only type of social nudism. Our group has seen some people come and go because of "our" differences in "social nudism" and that is another sign that they were unable to handle a difference of opinion on most things related to nudism. I've been able to read and accept someones difference of opinion. I will "challenge" their opinion and their reasons for their opinions of the various discussions we've had ... but in the end, they aren't gonna change and that's not my intent. I've made no bones about it. I'm very appreciative of the numerous topics for discussion SB has produced. She's gotten people to discuss and open up on a great number of issues. She's passionate and committed to the nudist way of life and lives it to the fullest. Some don't care for her, she's not bothered by it and continues to move forward. I guess, in retrospect ... I have changed a bit. I used to want everyone to like me ... but that's not my intent anymore and actually ... I feel better about that. So ... I guess these discussions have changed me a bit. :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudist Elevator Pitches |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 16, 2013 |
"Need to destress from everyday life? Here's my club's card. Try it ... I know you'll like it and you'll probably thank me next time we share the elevator!" :D 250 business cards from Vista Printing (online) for $10. We had some made up because we got tired of trying to find paper to write on to give new friends our names, address, phone numbers and email address. Now we just hand those out and we have gotten nothing but praise, compliments and most ask where we got them done, so they can do the same. :) | |
| Home Nudists Do you ever do backyard naturism? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 16, 2013 |
Since my last post, new neighbors have moved in next door. It is apparent that they've seen me/us naked out back. The tell tail signs are that the shutters on their upstairs window that has a view of our backyard, was closed completely but now only one side is shut. Either ... they only want to see me/us half the time, or they closed that one side so they didn't see us and left the other open for light. Either way, we've met them and they were nice but haven't been that friendly ... from the beginning. Not sure what it is about them ... but at least they are still waving, smiling and haven't called the cops. :) Being nudists, even "home nudists" is a mindset and way of life. I find that because we live the way we do, quite a bit of the time, it's difficult for us to do anything around here unless we're naked. Doing simple things, everyday things, we just don't think about it but ... it's always naked. It's too bad that some people don't have the opportunity to take their enjoyment for nudism outside the confines of the inside of their homes. I think that's one reason we had such a hard time living in apartments without balconies with some privacy. We've talked about moving to a high rise condo in the future that overlooks the ocean or a bay. My wife thinks I may go crazy not having a "backyard." But I think I can be happy and content with a outdoor patio that I can do some subtle privacy screening and spend so time outside on the patio in the nude looking at the water. Of course ... if that happens, I will finally get that boat I've wanted most of my life and when I feel cramped ... we'll get on the boat and do some naked boating. That should take care of it! :D ....................................................................... Since posting this comment, I went out back and did some gardening. The female neighbor was out in her backyard but she's very short and can't see over the fence. I will be heading out there soon to get some more sun. Only issue I've got with the new neighbors ... they allow their dog to bark and bark and bark. Drives me nuts! I should talk to them and say ... "hey, lets make a deal. You accept and not have an issue with our nudity in our backyard, we'll tolerate your dog barking for no reason ... all day!" hahahaha | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudist Elevator Pitches |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 15, 2013 |
Why ... yes, I would! he said with an "interesting look on his face ... and with great interest!" :D | |
| Clothing Optional Bed & Breakfasts CO or Nude... what works best for a B&B? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 15, 2013 |
SoCalNudist ... I'm glad to hear that, in that situation with reluctant partners of couples not knowing each other, worked! You both are our view into this portion of the nudist lifestyle venues and we certainly appreciate all you're willing to share about the process, what problems you've seen or dealt with and what helps the guest as well as the hosts in this type of venue. The Prof and I had "tentative" plans to head to AZ and "life" got in the middle of it. Too long a story and it involves family matters. So we'll have to hold off until our "family" gets their lives back together before I make anymore "promises" for a visit to a COHN B&B. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 14, 2013 |
I was at GE on Monday and the outdoor pool temp was 50. The indoor pool was being drained and the hot tub was under repair. It was still a good day. I should have gone to GE today and waited for better weather at Black's but I was glad I went and remembered how to get there. It looked like it was going to clear up. Must have been the thought of lots of people cuz they kept coming down but only stayed a short while and then left. I stuck it out til 1p and left. :) | |
| Blacks Beach Going to Black's Beach |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 14, 2013 |
fiesco, you picked the right venue to visit today! Made it down to Black's and in the parking lot at the Glider Port around 9:30. It was overcast and cool with a slight breeze. It didn't get any better! While the inland areas were experiencing temps in the mid 80's ... the temps on the beach were a chilly mid 50's! I'm a big time nudist. I take every opportunity I can to be naked. I finally had to put on my sweatshirt and cover my legs with another towel to stay warm. It was cold! I lasted til 1:30p, hoping that the weather would change but it didn't. For those familiar with the area ... the marine layer extended east on the 56 for a few off ramps before there was any sun. Once I got to the 15 ... the temps rose 20+ degrees! Got more naked time in the truck then I did on the beach! hahahah | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 14, 2013 |
I agree ... off topic we have gone. But I think we can all see that even us "Absolute Naturists" need to be flexible if we are venturing into a business in this lifestyle that is accepting of ALL those wanting to be nude and those just testing the water. I think it works to our advantage where we may convert more with that attitude. :D | |
| Clothing Optional Bed & Breakfasts What is a C-O B&B... a B&B or a Mini-Resort? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 14, 2013 |
We've only stayed at one C O B&B. We were going to visit that area, wanted to stay at someplace where we could be nude and the nearest place was well over an hour away, so we found this B&B and stayed there. We stayed 2 nights ... but we would have stayed longer and the "casita" was available but we wantedt to keep traveling and see other places. Our goal is to stay someplace nice and comfortable ... and have the ability to be naked. C O B&B's fit that bill. Hotels/motels are okay but confining. Ya can't use the pool or hot tub naked and if you leave the room ... ya gotta be dressed. If we were going to drive across country, we'd prefer to find clubs/resorts or C O B&B's to stay instead of the usual hotels/motels. We are willing to pay the same or more for the ability to stay at a place that gives us most of the same ammenities as a hotel/motel but is clothes free. IF ... we were to visit a C O B&B with our group, we'd probably stay several days and do some site seeing or just hang out on the property and we would stay longer than 1 or 2 nights. We like that option. Not sure what they should be called but they CAN function as both. A place to spend the night or two ... or an actual destination for a vacation of several days. | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 14, 2013 |
I think that's our dilema. We like the B&B's that are smaller and there's that ability to meet and hang out with the owners but ... there are 4 couples in our group and I'm not sure if having "too" many rooms and guests causes any issues. It would obviously work for our group but if you're traveling with your spouse, intend to break her into this lifestyle ... easy, and then you show up and the place is full of strangers ... it may cause her to have second thoughts. I'd like SoCalNudist and C O Home to weigh in and give us some experience in this area. The place you speak of, Popi, would suit our group just fine but most times, it seems, we are only together once or twice a year, currently, and any other times ... "we" meet up with one other couple, either in AZ, CA or WA. There was a place in Sedona but they sold the propery. The only had room for one couple but while vacationing there, they were in the process of remodeling their home to provide for one more couple but were stressing that it was intended for 2 couples traveling together. | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 14, 2013 |
I like the concept. A network of nude/C O B&B's throughout the US and in those tourist places where there are other nudist venues. What I really like and am very appreciative of, is COHN willingness to screen potential B&B's to ensure a "standard" is being met for all of us. That has to be a lot of work, time and probably aggrevation, occasionally, when you work at something so hard and spend so much time and find that the potential B&B owners were not on the up and up. SB ... is this something you're thinking about doing? I'd love to do this but our property isn't set up for it, there's really not enough privacy and I'm certain we'd get a visit from the authorities because of some nosey neighbors. It would have worked out great if we were in Wine Country. But ... even given those factors, we probably still wouldn't do it. My wife has trouble throwing a party and being the host ... so I don't think her body could take the stresss level of runnin' a B&B. hahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 13, 2013 |
it's possible that I may be going to Black's tomorrow. If I get the call early enough that I'm not needed for Granpa duty ... I'll head out. I'll be in a green chair with a red towel and a Charger hat on! :D | |
| Clothing Optional Bed & Breakfasts CO or Nude... what works best for a B&B? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 11, 2013 |
I'm just wondering ... Skyclad ... in your profile you state; "Never been part of a club, mind, so there are many sights yet to see" ... how'd you come to know all these things about social nudism if you're not part of a club mind? :D Have you visited them and just don't have the need for them or don't like them? Trying to figure out what you're basing your post on. :D | |
| Clothing Optional Bed & Breakfasts CO or Nude... what works best for a B&B? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 11, 2013 |
C O... here's why. B&B's are intimate settings. Some new nudists, some not so new nudists can become uncomfortable with that intimate setting and want to cover, minimally, until their nervousness has disipated. The other reason, I think C O, is that some of these people are trying this for the first time. They've gone from home nudity to trying a small place before jumping into an environment with dozens or hundreds of naked bodies. I also think that the veteran nudist B&B owner can help in many more ways than the "gung ho" partner. I see YOU, SB, talking to a reluctant or hesitant female and showing her the ropes, dispelling myths, setting her straight on the hardcore facts and assisting with fears and concerns. It wouldn't hurt to have someone to talk to to explain why you feel a certain way and that your "gung ho" spouse isn't getting what you're saying and what you're afraid of. The key is that the B&B owner be nude as much as possible while entertaining their guests, so these reluctants can get the feeling and sense of what it's like to live nude and/or spend leisure time in the nude. ...and I apologize if you weren't asking ALL of us this question and only asking it of CO HOME! hahaha :D | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Car Shows/ Car Clubs |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 10, 2013 |
The Rod Run was a big hit! Thousands and thousands of people out to view over 550 cars on display. There would have been others but it had rained Thurs and Fri, here, and drizzled for about 10 mins on Sat morning around 6:30 am. I think some car owners didn't want their cars wet. hahaha On the other hand, over 550 car owners didn't car and brought their cars and chamises. What I enjoyed most was the young kids that were some of the biggest fans. They weren't sure what they were looking at but knew what they liked. I found a few that were for sale but ... I will wait til I can find the one I really want. Our youngest daughter is also looking for a truck ... early 50's Ford or Chevy. Found a couple but ... doesn't have the cash yet! All in all the Rod Run was a great success and the weather ... well, at 8am, when the show started, the rain was long gone, puffy white and light grey clouds overhead with lots of sunshine and temps in the mid 60's and breezy. Good sweatshirt weather! I'll post a pic of the car on display in my profile ... but you've seen other pics and they are about the same. :) | |
| Nudists Invade Disneyland Has this group lost if vigor? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 9, 2013 |
This group did get quiet. We have been Annual Passholders for many years. WE stopped for a year because we weren't going. Once we didn't have the passes ... we wanted to go and had the time. We now have them again and are going more often. We love DLand and CA Advent. I like the improvements CA Advent. and our youngest grandson ... is ALL ABOUT Cars Land! We think it's pretty cool too. it's too bad us nudists really can't invade DLand! hahaha | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Cars or Truck |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 6, 2013 |
Had to take my Chevelle into the shop for a couple things. Those guys are FAR from All Girls Garage ... but they are real "peaches." They got my ride running great and I got outta there with minimal ... and I mean minimal damage! These guys have taken car of me and my car for over a year and I'm glad I found them. Only trouble I have ... they are constantly telling me what else I can do to the car ... or rather ... what they want to do to the car ... but it'll cost ME! hahaha When you find a great mechanic ... it's almost like hittin' the lottery. Now all I need is to hit the lottery so they can do ALL that stuff they want to do to my car! hahaha :D | |
| Clothing Optional Bed & Breakfasts Another new C/O B&B in Florida! |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 5, 2013 |
Congrats! It's great to hear COHN is growing and doing well. :D | |
| AANR Updates Another California Nude Beach Threatened |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 4, 2013 |
We've only been to Pirates Cove once. It was a little tricky getting down there so my wife wasn't too eager to return. This whole mess with the CA Dept of Parks and Rec and the state parks is like a cancer. It just keeps growing and growing and we can't seem to hold it off or stop it. I'm not sure what AANR or AANR West is doing to combat this. Seems TNS/NAC have been trying to get something going with San O and before they can do anything ... another beach is attacked, targeted and we seem to be holding our breath that this will be the last one ... but it doesn't seem like it. Maybe we are going about this the wrong way? Discussion in another group suggests that we be more proactive and less reactive. Shouldn't we be banging on the Governor's door and demanding a meeting to get some conversation going on what is happening? Why are we dealing with a Director of State Parks and Rec that will NOT even give us an audience? Maybe a all out campaign of letters to the Governor demanding a sit down to discuss what's happening. ALL the factual information can be shared and maybe there will be some common sense and practical discussion can come of this. ? | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Car Shows/ Car Clubs |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 4, 2013 |
As with most Car Shows I've participated in ... the next one is coming up so quick, Friday, Saturday and Sunday ... and my car needs work and detailing and I'm running outta days! :O It's going into the shop to find out why it's running so badly. I may have some babysitting to do on Wed or Thursday ... which leaves me Friday morning to get it ready for the cruise night Friday night and the show on Saturday. We will not be partaking in the show on Sunday. hahaha ... seems everytime this happens ... I need another week to prepare! I get it done. I always do! :D | |
| Nudist Real Estate Connection Finding an Agent |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 3, 2013 |
In short ... no, we've not had this problem, yet. All three homes we've owned have been new homes and we researched the lots we were buying to ensure our "privacy" needs would be met. When buying an older home within an established neighborhood or community, we would most likely use a friend that knows we are nudists ... or ... find a real estate company and then go into the office and ask a few agents some questions before picking one to represent us. We've seen several real estate office signs with agent's names on them in the neighborhood. We would call in a few to interview before signing any contract to respresent us in selling our home and finding us another home. I would make our lifestyle VERY clear and ask them that if they understood what it is we do, how we live and what we are looking for in a future home. I think you can get a vibe back on who understands and who just wants to sell your house and reap the benefits ... only. I think holding your agent to certain requirements should also be in a contract that can void said contract if they do not represent you or find you homes to look at that suit your needs. Let's say you've hired an agent and that agent has been told about your being a nudist. You agree to a 90 contract to have them represent you and find you a new place. If they, in 30 days, show you 6 places or 10 places and you've had to constantly tell them ... "these homes you're showing us do NOT give us the privacy we want and need," then I think you should be able to get out from the contract with that agent and seek another that will help you. Maybe it's not that simple but I completely agree that many real estate agents are looking for the quick sale and purchase so they can move on to the next client. What about an ad in the AANR Bulletin that asks for a nudist real estate agent that specializes in those areas of interest you're looking to buy. My thoughts are that there aren't too many real estate agents that will advertise they are nudists but are members of AANR and know what you're looking for. Good luck with finding an agent and your new place. | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Cars or Truck |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 3, 2013 |
Yeah ... I did and was watching for a while and remember Jessi in those episodes of All Girl Garage. I think I was watching way too much TV and started singling out those I wasn't watching all the time and AGG got axed. hahaha | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Cars or Truck |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 2, 2013 |
I like the episodes where Chip and Chris are teamed up with Jessi Combs. I love a girl that will get in there, like Cherie Westrich, and work right along side the guys. I didn't much care for the episodes with AJ. She was pretty but that's pretty much all she was on the show for and I actually think Jessi AND Cherie are more to my liking ... anyway! I'd love for Cherie to come to my house and rewire my Chevelle! She is the Queen of auto electicity. hahaha :D | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Cars or Truck |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 1, 2013 |
I've looked at a couple of Edelbrock crate engines. Hell ... it's only $$$$$$ :D I keep waiting for Foose and the A team to just come and pick it up! I'm dying to say ... "I've just been OVERHAULED!!!" hahahaha | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Cars or Truck |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 1, 2013 |
Actually ... the paint job is one of those that looks great in pics or from 12 ft away but when you're up close ... you see that it's a Maaco job and they did zero prep and my SIL, who sent it to be painted ... didn't do any prep at all either. So ... once I've got the engine and drive train in tip top shape, have the car rewired, a new steering column and the carpet and headliner replaced ... I'll get it painted correctly! hahaha I've had lots of compliments on the color. Makes we rethink my idea for the new paint job. :D | |
| Absolute Naturists Rangers said the decision is final. |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 1, 2013 |
Ok Nilo ... I understand you're upset but ... this is a "local" issue. The Superintendant of the area that San O is in ... has had an issue with nudists for some time. After Marianna Handler stopped coming to the beach ... our voice deminished or rather changed. I am a huge supporter of Allen Baylis but I gotta tell ya ... group members of FOSOB have heard nothing about what's going on. If we have indeed lost San O for good ... those concentrated efforts should now be focused on Black's to save it from being taken away. I wish I could have stood along side you and gotten tickets as well. Unfortunately ... my wife isn't as supportive of me getting a ticket for nudity and having "our" name in the paper while she's still working. That's just a fact of life and I have to respect that. But a blanket statement that "government" is the problem ... if it truly was ... why do we still have C O beaches left in California? If that were true ... they would ALL be closed to nudity. It's a localized issue with certain State Dept P & R Superintendants and their subordinants. They got nothing else to do ... so they'll make up crap to hassle people who did more to help the situation then add to it. I appreciate you standing your ground and taking 3 for the team. I'm truly sorry I couldn't help out in that respect. | |
| Nudist Dudes Reluctant Spouse/Partner.... |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 1, 2013 |
She's willing ... the "social" aspect comes and goes with the way she's feeling about herself periodically. We're working on it and she's receptive. ;) | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Cars or Truck |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 1, 2013 |
Last year ... we kept forgetting to take pics of each of us and then one of both of us naked, with the car. We were going to do it at this year's show but now they are not having it. When they do or if we go to the club and camp, we'll take the Chevelle as well and get some pics of us naked with the car and post them. I think it will be fun. :) | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Cars or Truck |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 1, 2013 |
hey Popi ... I didn't either until 2 years ago. I'd always wanted a "project" muscle car but always found something else to spend my money on. This car fell into my lap due to a money issue and the SIL needing a partner. I've got the bug now and if this car gets sold or my SIL buys me out ... I'll most certainly go looking for another but won't settle for just anything. It'll be one of three cars I'd like to own. '68-'70 Dodge Charger, '68-'70 Challenger or '68-'70 Roadrunner. I took Rusty's lead and posted pics of my Chevelle in my profile. ;) | |
| Nudist Dudes Reluctant Spouse/Partner.... |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 1, 2013 |
You can also have a very willing partner ... become "hesitant" or "reluctant" for a number of reasons. It's difficult to have something and lose it and have to work many times as hard to try and get it back. I've experienced this and it happens ... even without our circle of nudist friends. The guys always seem to be willing and able to get naked at the thought of dropping a hat. Sometimes the girls just don't feel like it. And ... if it goes further and they back away or walk away from it ... it's sometimes difficult to get them back. My wife is going through a tough phase in her life and being naked isn't a constant priority. She'll get back here very soon but doesn't mean she won't have a set back or two or more as life continues. Ya get what you can and be happy with what you've got. :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Rangers said the decision is final. |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 1, 2013 |
SB ... those where MY thoughts EXACTLY. ;) All the online voting, polls in nudists favor, ranting and raving ... is not going to change these people's minds. As you said ... we are chasing the bus instead of driving it. WE (nudist org's) need to get in the drivers seat of that bus. We seem to always be "trying" to get something "back" instead of doing the work before they take it away. Meetings should be held and ongoing on those beaches that are still currently C O and the orgs and groups need to continually work to find out what problems are threatening the status of that beach. This is the OLD way of doing things and when you have the older crowd still tugging on the puppet strings ... the puppet's going to move the same way over and over again. We had our chance at a younger President and we blew it ... because older people are the members of AANR and the younger people don't want to join to change things. You want change ... ya need to be a part of it and not sit back and complain about it. So ... as you say ... Textiles 1 Nudists 0 ... I only have to correct you in saying ... Textiles 2 Nudists 0 (San Onofre and Lighthouse beaches) :( | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Car Shows/ Car Clubs |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 28, 2013 |
Not heard of the Bellflower Car Show. But then ... there are lots of them. There's one coming up in Pomona that I might register for. Just took in the Winternationals at Pomona. That was awesome. Makes me wanna strip my Chevelle and start over ... engine and drive train first! hahahaha | |
| Absolute Naturists Rangers said the decision is final. |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 28, 2013 |
I'm not holding my breath. I wonder why ... NOW ... AANR is trying to do something for Lighthouse Beach but was willing to throw San Onofre under the bus. That tactic worked well for them. Not soon after they threw San O under the bus for a "guarantee" that the State Parks and Rec would leave the rest of the clothing optional beaches alone ... the State P and R Director sent out her dogs to start citing nudists on other C O beaches. I don't see the rangers backing down on this decision. It'll make them look weak and available to groups to back them into a corner and make them change their mind. They won't budge on this ... they aren't going to here. | |
| Blacks Beach Going to Black's Beach |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 28, 2013 |
WELL ... I finally made it. NO last minute changes in plans, no family emergencies, no last minute babysitting duties ... I FINALLY made it to Blacks. I didn't go alone. I met sandguy enroute and we rode in together. It was great having someone along that already knew the ropes and even better to have someone I knew to spend the day with on the beach. Blacks is a great nude beach. There were many more people than I thought there would be. I'm not sure if this is the way it's always been or if the State Dept of Parks and Rec closing San Onofre to nude use has anything to do with all those people going to Blacks now. Either way ... lots of people on the beach. More female participants than I would have thought. The nude section of this particular beach in comparison to San Onofre is much, much longer. There is plenty of space to spread out. NO facilities but there we no facilities at San Onofre either. Blacks is easy to find and the nice part is ... once you get down to the beach ... the nude section starts! The walk down was much easier than the walk up and it's definately NOT for the faint of heart or those that get exhausted quite easily with minimal exercise ... on the way back up. Even though I stopped several times to catch my breath ... it seemed a shorter walk up to the top than the walk from the nude section at San Onofre to the parking lot. The decent and climb back up is steep. Good shoes is a must but if you've got tough feet ... you could do it barefoot. Lots of the younger people and especially the surfers ... walk it barefoot. Not sure how it is on the weekends but today was a good mix of people. Older and younger and everything in between. I witnessed NO questionable activity and that makes it good for the wife and our family ... which I feel comfortable taking down there. I now have the bug and have started an exercise program the beginning of the week and will have to fit in a trek up and down the stairs to Blacks from now on. My goal is to only stop a few times instead of several! hahaha Thanks Sandguy for coming along. Hope to do it again soon. FP | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Car Shows/ Car Clubs |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 27, 2013 |
I'd love to partake in the Laguna Del Sol car show. For that one, we'll most likely tow the Chevelle up there with the motorhome. That one sounds like double the amount of fun. The GE show was lots of fun. This last year ... there were as many nudes as there were clothed people. You knew who the car club people were cuz they ALL were dressed. We sat next to two guys and I was naked, the Prof was in a sundress and then our youngest daughter showed up. The asked her a bunch of questions about being around her dad while he was nude and she schooled them pretty good. The asked why she and my wife weren't naked and she told them ... "we are not here to be on display. You wanna see us nude, take your clothes off, take a tour and get with the program." They laughed and said ... "maybe next year." | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Car Shows/ Car Clubs |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 27, 2013 |
The car club that puts it on ran into an increase in permits to put on the show. The money they make off this show is used to purchase a guide dog for someone and with the permits costing so much money, they'd not make enough to buy the dog so they scraped the show for now. If the do decide to have it later this year, the office will send me an email and I'll post it here. ;) | |
| RV'ing/Camping Nudists Nude camping trips for 2013 |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 27, 2013 |
We did the same with ours. It belonged to my dad. It was not abused but a little neglected. We took it to Glen Eden a couple times to get the bugs out and find out what worked and what didn't. It all worked but it needed a good cleaning and it was fun cleaning it all up, at the site, and at the park in the nude. After we were done ... we tested the shower! We sat back and admired our hard work while sitting under the torn and damage awning ... and drove it to the shop and had it replace before taking it to storage. Best part of owning this motorhome ... is we don't own it all ourselves. Our daughter's have ownership in it too so the cost is split and the responsibilites are split. Makes it nice that we don't have to ensure it's clean, maintained and fueled up and ready to go before each trip. Need to go get it outta storage and open it up. It's getting nice here in So Cal and I think a weekend at the club is in order! :D | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks A Show Car/Trk, Daily Driver or in between? |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 27, 2013 |
Your Classic Car or Truck; is it a "show" vehicle only, a daily driver or somewhere in between? My '67 Chevelle is somewhere in between. I don' drive it everyday but it gets outta the garage 50% of the time. I drive it around town, mostly. I've taken it on longer drives but don't drive further than a couple hours from home because it still needs engine and electrical work. There are a couple of Car Shows up in the Central Coast area and one in AZ I'd like to take the car to but that'll have to wait til it's a bit more road worthy. I don't want to trailer it to these places, I'd rather drive it. | |
| RV'ing/Camping Nudists Nude camping trips for 2013 |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 26, 2013 |
Any plans for nude camping this year? We have a couple planned but they are not carved in stone. Maybe a long weekend at Laguna Del Sol, a weekend or two at our club and a trip to Lake Havasu in the motorhome but that's really not camping. ;) | |
| Beer and wine enthusiasts sweet wine |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 26, 2013 |
We LOVE the Naked Winery in Hood River! Our close friends are members and when they joined ... they got a t shirt but they gave it to me!!! My Favorite t shirt! :D | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Car Shows/ Car Clubs |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 26, 2013 |
Do any of you participate in Car Shows? Are you a member of a car club? There are many, here in So Cal each year. I could probably get involved in one or two a month but only participate in a few a year. The one we always look forward to is not being held this year ... The Glen Eden Nude Attitude Car Show at Glen Eden Sun Club. The others; one is here in town and the other two are: Route 66 Car Show in San Bernadino, CA and The Goodguys Car Show in Del Mar, CA at the Fairgrounds. I'd probably get involved in more but there's a lot more prep work to get ready for a car show then I thought. hahaha | |
| Yard and Gardening Nudists What type of Naked Gardening did you do today? |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 26, 2013 |
I got a little in today. It got down to 27-29 degrees here a couple weeks ago and the frost damaged some of the landscaping. I got out there and trimmed some of that up today. It was a very nice 72 degrees out there today. Got me a little Vitamin D! :D | |
| Couples How were your Summer Nakations ? -- Plans for Fall / Winter ? |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 26, 2013 |
Our trip to LHC, AZ was better than I thought it would be. We sure missed our friends that could not make it but we had a great time. Our friend's home needed some projects completed and I was more than willing to help out. We worked all week on small projects, I learned several new construction tricks, got to work naked, got some sun, drank beer and wine and we even got dressed and went out to dinner a couple times. Other friends were there at their home and they joined us, which was awesome. They are great people. It was cool in the evenings but we sat inside in front of the gas fire place. My wife and I bought a patio heater for our stay and decided to leave it there for everyone's use. We'll be back there soon and we'll be glad we have it there for those cool nights. Next trip is probably around the first part of April. We will be taking the motorhome since the house will be full. Not sure how much naked time we'll have but for us and our nudist friends ... we're passed the "need" to be naked everytime we're together. Since they'll have family along that aren't nudists, we'll just go with the flow and enjoy our time with them regardless if we're naked or clothed. :D | |
| Blacks Beach Going to Black's Beach |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 26, 2013 |
Keeping my fingers crossed. The plan is to go to Blacks for the first time on Thursday. If I make it ... I'll be sure to report back. | |
| Golf What clubs should I buy? |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 26, 2013 |
I currently carry 4-SW (sand wedge)and a 60 degree loft wedge. I also carry a driver, fairway wood (3) and a "rescue" club (5). In my opinion ... I dump the 2 iron. I think the 2 is much like the 1 ... for a beginner ... they are both very hard to hit. Hell ... for lots of good, experienced golfers... they are difficult to hit. I've tried using a pitching wedge to get outta the sand and though you can make it work ... for duffers and beginners, it's best to use the right tool for the job and if in the sand ... use the SW. So ... if you're allowed 14 clubs ... you could have ... Driver, 3 wood, 5 rescue club, 3,4,5,6,7,8,9, PW, SW and putter. That's 13 ... leaving you one more club to try out, buy and put in your bag. Or you can do like I do ... keep the clubs down to 12 or 13 and carry more balls to lose! hahaha I also carry a 3' long spike with a "cigar" holder on top ... to hold my cigar when I'm hitting the ball. I do not carry a telescoping ball retrieving tool ... maybe I should and I could save some money on balls. Good luck with your game. | |
| Nude Boating anyone gone boating in or near CO River, Lake Havasu area? |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 26, 2013 |
Most of our "nude boating" has been on Lake Mohave and on the river between Laughlin and the top portion of Lake Havasu ... and Topoc Gorge. We have close nudist friends that live in LHC. They are buying a boat and it will be at their LHC house for use by family and close friends ... like us! hahaha We are actually looking forward to getting out on the Lake (LH) and getting back into boating and nude boating whenever and wherever possible. There is also a concession that rents boats and wave runners. We'll probably look into that, head out and find a cove/beach and rekindle our love for boating, nude boating and being naked on the lake and river. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Are Nudist's Really Free Spirits? |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 26, 2013 |
This is why I feel that being a "free spirit" is something inherent. Just because someone takes off their clothes, it won't make them ..."Someone who isn't weighed down by the troubles of everyday life, is always themselves regardless of the situation and lives life to the full. Not restricted by other people's opinions." My opinion is that being a nudist doesn't automatically make you; more friendly, more easy going, more tolerant of others, more accepting of others, accepting of other's opinions, a better person, a nicer person, it doesn't make you worry less or ... a free spirit. All these things are already inside you and taking off your clothes, for some, will not make you more of anything if you don't already feel or act this way. ;) | |
| Nudist Real Estate Connection Relocation Possibilities |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 24, 2013 |
I agree with most of what you're saying, ya gotta figure out where you want to live. Do you want four seasons, do you want year round summer condititons, do you like the cold and snow, the rain ... ? I'm just speaking in general and not directly to your post. Then ... you need to find a home that affords you the privacy you want and need. Had I had it my way ... we would NOT be living in a tract home again. I wanted to live out in "wine country" on acreage with my closest neighbor several hundred feet away ... or preferably ... further! Since it wasn't "my" decision alone, and we ended up in a tract home again, I made sure we only had one neighbor and the property had the "potential" for our backyard to have privacy for nude use. I certainly "care" what our neighbors think or how they feel or react to our nudity in our backyard if they see us, but if I've gone through many steps to shield that from them and they still complain ... they can either stop looking into our yard or call the cops. I figure, we've done so much,that if they do call the cops, they cops "may" say ... "mind your own damn business." We stopped dancing around the subject of our lifestyle. When our backyard was put in ... (pool, spa, patio, hardscape, lawn, landscaping...) I was upfront with the contractor ... "we are nudists. We are naked in our backyard almost always. WE NEED PRIVACY ... instantly." He understood and landscaped accordingly. If we were to move, we would tell the real estate agent ... "we are nudists and need a private backyard or piece of property so we do not impose our nudity on our neighbors. Luckily, in this respect, we have a friend who's a real estate agent AND knows we are nudists ... so she'd know exactly what to look for. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Are Nudist's Really Free Spirits? |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 24, 2013 |
Hey folks ... let's not turn this into another thread on they young versus the old (nudists). Need to keep it on topic. Thanks. :D | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Cars or Truck |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 22, 2013 |
I do most of the "cosmetic" enhancements to our Chevelle. I leave the drive train, suspension and electrical to professionals. Took me several shops but finally found a shop that works on lots of the Classic Muscle Cars here in our city and 3 of the mechanics have muscle cars as well ... so I take it to them. I then found me an auto electrician that I really like and he's the guy I happen to see most! The electrical system in the Chevelle is a mess. All our cars have got some miles on them and are an '04 Volvo, '05 Silverado and the Chevelle. Nothing like not having car payments but the "repair" bils are starting to kill us! hahahaha | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Cars or Truck |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 22, 2013 |
Our Chevelle was mostly a "granma/granpa" kinda car. We've done quite a bit to it to make it look like a Muscle Car. hahaha We even won Best in Class for Muscle Cars at the Glen Eden Nude Attitude Car Show in 2011! Over 125 cars there for that show. Nice acknowledgement of all the work we put into it. When the Prof retires ... we will go from 3 cars to 2. Not sure what we are getting rid of. I hate to give up my truck but the only thing I use it for ... is to drive naked! hahahahahaha | |
| Classic Cars & Trucks Cars or Truck |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 21, 2013 |
Hi, Thanks for allowing me into the group. I currently own a truck and a Classic Car. My daily driver is my '05 Silverado 2500HD Duramax with the Allison Tranny. Great truck but bought it for towing a boat and never bought the boat. I'd like to go back to a Silverado 1500 with a gas engine. I don't need the towing capabilities of the diesel and 2500HD anymore. My Classic Car is a '67 Chevelle 300 sedan. It's got a 350 with a 2 speed hydroglide trans, 4 brl Rochester carb. It's got enough get up and go but we just cruise ... mostly. What I'd like to have ... '68 Dodge Charger, 383 or 440. My uncle had one while I was in HS and I loved that car.He let me drive it all the time. After HS I joined the Navy and I bought a '70 Dodge Coronet 440. Sold it after we got married and I don't want to tell anyone what we bought after that! hahaha I continually look for 68 Chargers but will have to wait til I sell the Chevelle before I get serious about gettin' my dream Classic Car. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 20, 2013 |
Well ... I guess I could have done that but ... I actually managed to get out of the large boot in about a week and a half, then went to a "slipper" kinda shoe and that became easier to slip off. After a few weeks, I was motoring around with some of those "crocs." I luckily had a size a bit too big for my foot but they worked with a sock on my foot and it kept my foot clean and some what safe. I couldn't take it much longer and ended up spending several days nude camping at our club. Naked but for a sock on my operated foot! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 20, 2013 |
I have to get a sense of "willingness to listen" from someone before I open that conversation up. Strangely, our daughter's 30 something friends have been the ones most open to talk about it, ask questions about it and even join us in nude ventures to the beach and back yard nudity. The more mature textile people in our life, seem to be the immature ones and those unwilling to even broach the subject. | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 20, 2013 |
I think some "nudists" are more uptight then our clothed counterparts! hahaha There is so much anger, resentment, ridicule from some, against others, that do "free spirited" things in the name of nudism. I'm always surprised at how many call other nudists names or refer to them in a derogatory way because they will do something, "free spirited" that they won't do. I think being a "free spirit" is something we have inherently within ourselves. I am "free spirited" but my wife is not. She's quite reserved, in control, quiet and private. But ... she's becomes a "free spirit", to an extent, when she's nude at the beach, a club or resort. Nudism can have the "free spirit" effect on people but I still think it's something within our inner self. | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 20, 2013 |
That sucks! Been there and experienced that! Not only could I not drive, it was hell trying to get my shorts off over that damn boot I had to wear! hahahahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 20, 2013 |
Simply put; It would be a "nude" club/resort. I think I'd try and cover the bases for the wide range of nudist accomodations and amenities. Everything from tent camping to hotel/motel rooms with daily housekeeping service. I'd like to have a Cafe/restaurant that served meals morning and into the evening. I'd also like to obtain a liquor license and charge members/guests reasonable amounts for the food and beverage. I think you have to operate a place like this at a profit but I wouldn't be looking to become some millionaire. Just enough to keep things going, make necessary repairs and improvements and keep people working, and pay myself a reasonable allowance so I didn't have to work, just manage. My philosophy would go right along side with "nude when possible, clothed when practical." I wouldn't expect visitors to be naked if it's cold or they've had enough sun but I also don't want a bunch of clothed people walking around when it's sunny and 75 degrees! Seen enough of that. Policies; ALL welcome. Your actions dictate whether or not you stay and whether or not you can return. Wholesome family atmosphere but I would not be so strict as to not allow adults to have fun and a good time. There's a line and I'd have to see where I'd draw it after a few months. I'd been talked to, seriously, about buying a place but the initial thoughts got my heart racing and BP up. It's NOT all it's cracked up to be. We have friends that own a place and they deal with lots and lots of issues and regretably ... I think the hardest issues are those relating to guests. Probably a good thing I didn't have the money or experience to take it over! hahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 19, 2013 |
The Prof and I are heavily into port wines. We try and do as much "tasting" as we can when we are on vacation or weekend getaways and we always ask the wine stewards if there winery has a port. The Prof is partial to those ports with a "chocolate" taste. I look for a port that's not too sweet, like a Sherry, and with various fruit flavors. I also taste them to decide which ones, I think, will go with a cigar! :D We are actually closer to Orange County, CA. We live in the Inland Empire, in wine country. We do get up to the Central Coast of CA and visit Paso Robles, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara for wineries in that region and are planning a trip up to Napa/Sonoma with friends. | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 19, 2013 |
Ha! yeah ... that's what happens when you post late at night! haha Vitamin D!!! | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 18, 2013 |
It's been a while since I've been able to drive nude. It's definately not from desire but because of the weather. yeah ... I know, it's much colder where some of you live, but we live in So Cal and we've had some pretty cool/cold days this winter and it's not been warm enough to wear shorts and flip flops, which is usually my mode of dress when I do drive naked. BUT ... tonight, I got to get some naked driving in. We spent about an hour in the hot tub and had some wine. The Prof got out first and went inside to take a shower and wash her hair. I stayed in for a bit longer and another glass of wine. After I got out and dried off, I came into the office and got on the computer. I was still quite warm from the hot tub. About 15 mins later, the Prof comes in and requests dinner from a local place with a drive thru. Since the truck is parked on the street and it wasn't late enough to walk out there naked, I slipped on my shorts, a zip up sweatshirt and flip flops. Got out to the truck and took off the shorts and unzipped the sweatshirt. Drove through the bank ATM and then onto the fast food drive thru. Drove home and parked in the driveway so I could just get out naked and come inside. Felt great to get back into that routine! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 18, 2013 |
"You look a little vitamin D deficient. You need to lay out in the sun and get in ALL OVER TAN!" | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 18, 2013 |
... and just spent some quality time with the Prof in the hot tub/spa. Killed off the last 1/2 bottle of Rose. It's cold out and a storm is coming so it made the hot tub feel great and the wine ... though inexpensive, was a nice addition. I really wish she'd retire soon. Lots more days and nights like today/tonight. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 17, 2013 |
We just spent the afternoon at a local winery where we are Wine Club Members. We shared a bottle of Rose of Syrah .... excellent! A hint of sweet, light and nice finish. Didn't leave you lookin' for a glass of water or making faces like you just bit into a lemon. I normally drink red wines ... Merlot's, Zin's, Cab Sauv's, but this was a nice sunny afternoon bottle of wine while listening to guitarists from the area. | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 10, 2013 |
Twice ... that very thing has happened her at our home. Both young women are close friends of our youngest ... one being the best friend. The best friend is the one that has gone to the nude beach with us a couple times and expressed interest in nudism. They were both here on separate times during the summer. Both had an infant child that was still being breastfed. The first occasion was with our daughter's BF. Having already been to the nude beach twice with us, she had no problem getting outta the pool, slipping outta her top and breastfeeding her child while we sat and talked. The second friend, not having any experience with nudism ... but, talked in length with our daughter about "our" lifestyle, came to swim with her child one day. She too needed to feed her child and when she began to contort herself in painful forms ... I said, "it'll be easier for you if I just go inside." She replied ... "oh, this is stupid. You've probably seen lots of boobs with you work and being a nudist, it's no big deal." And she just slipped outta her bra and began feeding her child. Both times ... was an opportunity to delve deeper into the nudism discussion with both ... but we too decided to just leave well enough alone. Our daughter's BF was already on board with visiting the nude beach, skinny dipped in our pool, felt comfortable enough to be topless most times in our pool and spend time at home, naked, with her husband. She's already been converted ... even though we'd not intended for that to happen. The other friend ... she was headed that way til they began having some marital problems and that became the focus and priority. We've not seen them for a while but both asked lots of questions before and we felt that if they wanted more info ... they knew where to come and could ask when they felt comfortable bringing it up. Education has worked quite well so far for us. Even though our daughter's friends and our daughter's aren't what we'd consider "nudists," they are having their "own" experiences, alone or with close friends and that's enough for us. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 9, 2013 |
A true friend, is a true friend ... short of either of you doing something intentionally horrible. I, too, have had discussions with my wife about "just telling our friends and be done with it," but she continues to "wait til the right time." Not sure when that is or why that will "make a difference," but ... I respect her wishes. It will be interesting to see what reaction we finally get when we do tell them. My gut feeling is that they will ALL say ... "ahhhh, we knew that quite a while ago." In their defence, I think they don't want to say anything til "we" say something. It's a strange situation and relationship with our "textile" friends. Our "friendship" with our textile friends isn't as open and honest as the relationship we have with our nudist friends. Nudity does strip and bare more than your skin. It opens up the honesty and closeness between friends, it exposes you inside and you're more willing to share more of yourself with your friends. It's worked that way for us, anyway. My wife and I are opposites. Always have been and always will be. Maybe that's why we've been together for almost 44 years. We don't always see eye to eye on some of these issues and since she's a bit more cautious and private about our nudist lifestyle, I tend to let her take the path to telling who,... what and when. But ... we have two separate circles of friends; our nudist friends and our textile friends. We have four close couples in each circle. The nudist friends know about the textiles and the textiles know about the "other" friends but don't know they are "nudist" friends. We haven't mixed the two and not sure if and when we will. We most likely will NOT be naked with our textile friends ... unless they decide to partake in nudity with us. Too complicated to even go there. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 8, 2013 |
...and there is my point about many of us that are getting older and less ... flexible! :D I don't know that I'd "draw a line in the sand," so to speak, but I had a conversation with someone close today about this very topic. I said, "if something would happen to my wife, I'd probably not marry again, but wouldn't say never." I would put the info about what "our" nude lifestyle was like, during an opportune time in the dating process and see what happens with it. If ... the reception is, at least, respectful and non judgemental, I most likely continue dating that person. If I got feedback that it's "weird, creepy, naughty, improper ... " I'd try to reason with the person, but if it failed ... I'd certainly move on. I've never tried to "convert" anyone to nudism. I've always educated them and in doing so, have gotten some family to try it and even some friends. They are not nudists, in the sense my wife and I are, but they dabble in social nudism and occasionally spend time at home naked. It's a start and maybe it will grow to something more, maybe it will not, but it's certainly their choice and I'm thankful that they were openminded enough to at least hear us out, try it and make their minds up "after" they had experienced it. I'm a fortunate one. I have a wife that embraced nudism long ago, during our early married life. She was open to talking about it when we were dating in HS ... even though "I" was the only one practicing. Spending a whole weekend naked in our apartment was what, I think, seal the deal. It was comfortable and she enjoyed it. It took many years of being a home and backyard nudist to convince her to try social nudism. Lots of questions, concerns, failed attempts once we arrived at our nudist destination only to turn around and return home. Lots of talks, arguements, fights. Lots of promises and years and years of patience. I'm certain I do not want to go through that again in my later years. So ... I'll hopefully continue to have a long and full nudist life with my nudist wife and not have to deal with what some of you are having to deal with. Children shed a whole different light on this topic. I, like Nudony, have lived most of my life as a nudist. It is who I am, NOT what I do. I could not give it up. I feel strongly about who I am and how I live. Because I chose not to wear clothes, when I'm able, does not change the person inside. If the person I'm dating, with children, feels that there is some kind of "negative" personality change from when I'm clothed to when I'm naked ... I do not want to continue seeing that person. ALL of us are protective of children, whether we are nudists or not. I tend to think that "nudists" can and will be overly protective of ALL children in this environment. You'll have to find someone that trusts you enough to believe that. I truly wish you all the best. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 8, 2013 |
It is certainly a gamble ... anyway you stack the deck. If you tell a perspective partner of your naturist life, they can either accept it and will join in, will want more information and a transition into giving it a go ... or not want any part of it at all. Of course, as you are aware, children play another crucial role in this dilema. Even "if" the perspective partner agrees to living a nude lifestyle, or even agreeing to visiting clubs, resorts and beaches and going on nude vacations ... there's always the children's father and his reactions to whether or not he'll make waves over taking the children. You can have so much in common with a person but this "one" thing and it could ruin, what could be, an "almost" perfect relationship. Is the perspective partner at least openminded enough to "listen?" Is the perspective partner a little adventurous and willing to try new things? If you run into a perspective partner that is neither, you'll most likely run into problems trying to get them to discuss it and learn more about it ... much less try it. For some of us that have lived this lifestyle for years and years ... decades ... and have a willing and participating partner, it would be difficult, if not almost impossible, to give up this lifestyle for someone who doesn't want to at least try it or have open conversations regarding it. I've often said, if something should ever happen to my wife, I'd probably just date and keep my nudist lifestyle separate. I wouldn't keep it a secret, but I would keep it separate. "If" the woman I am dating isn't open minded enough to accept that I do what I do and live how I live, then I'd find another to date. I think it's important to find someone that you have a good relationship with, have much in common, respect each other for who they are and what they do. Continue being a nudist but if this person is not into it and you can't give it up for this person ... it's best to move on. Most of our female nudist friends were introduced to nudism by their husband. Most were reluctant to be nude at home, much less in a social atmosphere. But they are ALL openminded enough to be willing to talk about it, try it at home and gradually venture into social nudism til they became what they are today. I think it gets tougher as you get older. We ALL tend to be less compromising in our older years. We take on an attitude that ... "this is the way I am and I'm not going to change for anyone." It's not a bad thing, but you sure limit your options. It's a difficult situation. There's no real answer ... only suggestions that you'll need to take, some or all of, for what it's worth. I wish you luck in finding that person who is willing to jump in head first ... or at least dip her toe into it and test the water. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 7, 2013 |
ahhhh ... ok, now I see, it was tongue and cheek! :D Hoping this topic doesn't turn into another ... "why do you..." "I don't like ..." topics with nudists arguing over something that has nothing to do with nudism. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 7, 2013 |
This article is vague. The percentages of injury seem high but there are no facts as to "what' caused the injuries; first time shavers?, intoxication?, ... one of those injuries had to do with a person shaving after using marijuana. I suspect, those numbers and percentages have, would and will remain the same as more inexperienced people try shaving their pubic hair ... and those that did injure themselves, would be more cautious. hahaha ... I remember what my face looked like when I first started shaving. You only do that a couple times before you get it right! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 6, 2013 |
"For people that want to be and live nude" ... seems pretty simple and upfront to me. This group is about people that "want to be nude and live nude," NOT for those that think of this lifestyle as a hobby or pastime. What I read from some is that ... for some of you, this lifestyle isn't an absolute. It's never been about going shopping, to the market, going to church ... etc., in the nude. It's about a mindset to live this way everytime you possibly can. For some of us, that's why we joined this particular group, to discuss issues and situations where we dialog on how we do this and how certain things get in the way of our Absolute Naturist living. I've read many posts of people that joined this group and then argue the fact that their is no "absolute." I disagree, in that, for me, in my mind, me living and wanting to live nude IS "absolute." It's never been about going to the store naked. It's never been going anywhere and everywhere naked but if I could, I'd certainly explore it and entertain it and do it to an extent until I felt able to do it all the time. This has NOTHING to do with my mindset that this lifestyle is an "absolute" with me and with the group owner. That's what this group is about. For those still having trouble feeling that 'wanting and living nude" isn't an "absolute" priority ... then, maybe you are in the wrong group. This group has never been about "who's better." The owner of the group has posted numerous thought provoking topics ... but when "I" answer these questions, it's from an "Absolute Naturist" standpoint and NOT from someone who can "take it or leave it." That's been the "mantra" of this group and what it was formed for ... for those who will NOT leave it, will defend it, will promote it and not make excuses for not doing it. NOT every group on this site is for everyone. We, SB and I, have been pretty liberal on who we allow in, hoping that those that want to join, have gotten an idea of what this group is about. We hope that those wanting to join have read through some of the topics prior and decide ... "this group's for me," but most times ... many members just want to join every group they can and join groups that they "wish" they could be. I've used this example before; I'm a dog lover. I've owned many pets but prefer dogs. "IF" a group was formed for dog lovers, would I allow a "cat" lover to join? They are both "animals/pets" but clearly different. There are many groups on this site that I have chosen NOT to join because I either have nothing in common, no interest, or "absolutely" disagree with what they are selling. If ... you don't like what we are selling ... why visit our store day after day after day, and complain about what we are selling? ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 25, 2013 |
Get a life, Get Naked! You can thank me later on the ride down. This is my floor! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 25, 2013 |
Love the lightening photo ... NOT the spider photo! hahahahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 24, 2013 |
Thanks for the explanation. If I had felt that, from your previous post, I would not have asked. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 24, 2013 |
You should try going on to TTOL ... traveltalkonline.com There's a section for the BVI and you can ask all the questions and get many more answers from people that are nudists and visit the BVI quite often and know much about them. Good luck! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 24, 2013 |
OldFrog ... may I ask ... WHY would someone that feels the way you do, join a group called Absolute Naturists? You don't seem to be of an Absolute mind with naturism/nudism. Please correct me if I'm wrong but seems as though you can take it or leave it and that's not what this group is about. Thanks! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 23, 2013 |
Our club transformed our basketball court to a Pickle Ball court! The volleyball court now serves both volleyball and basketball. Having seen this, I went out and bought us a Pickle Ball set and we can't wait til the weather heats up just a bit so we can play some Naked Pickle Ball! Til then ... we continue to walk, ride our bikes and run after grandchildren! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 21, 2013 |
This event took place on my Bday. That's usually a family event and we usually go someplace for the day, such as Disneyland. This year, we had a sick grandchild and stayed close to home, even though the plans were to head out. Depending on the date of next years event, we would like to show up and partake. We've only been to the Getty once and it would be fun to go again. We'll see what the date is and go from there! Sounds like a good time was had by all. Hope we can make it next year. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 21, 2013 |
We are gearing up for another gathering with our nudist friends, minus one couple. We will meet in Lake Havasu City, AZ at the winter home of one of our nudist friends. Gearing up = things to take, tables, outside heaters, portable fire ring, tools ... and almost NO CLOTHES! hahaha The couple we visited, mentioned in my last post, will not be able to make this trip. It will be the 3 couples plus 2 other couples. One couple we've met and stayed with a few times now and have become good friends. They are introducing us to another couple this trip. There is still work to be done on this winter home and I'll be taking my tool belt and some power tools to help my friend, the contractor, work on his house. Best part ... he said ... "all work must be done naked!" I replied ... "is there any other way to work!?" Looking forward to being with our closest friends but will miss the one couple very much. We are now planning a get together with that couple later this year in May or June. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 20, 2013 |
Many of us group owners and Moderators use this very requirement for members to join our groups. It weeds out the many trolls and fakes. You may lose a good member here and there BUT ... they should realize that we are looking for truthful members in our groups and on this site. If they are not willing to be, somewhat, forthcoming ... then THEY lose out, not the group or the site. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 18, 2013 |
We pack light most anywhere we go but ... especially when camping and camping nude. The last time we went nude camping ... I took my robe, a pair of shorts, a t shirt, flip flops and toiletry bag. Shorts and t shirt for those absolulte necessary times to wear something and to check in at the front office. The robe for early morning walks to the restroom if my wife occupied the RV potty and something to wear besides a towel when getting outta the hot tub. Flip flops for the feet when needed ... that was it! LOL Thanks for joining us and have a great time on the cruise ... we are so jealous! ;D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 17, 2013 |
Po Tay Toe, Po Tah Toe ... Tow May Toe, Tow Mah Toe ???? :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 16, 2013 |
I prefer to try and educate instead of trying to convert. I don't look or try to convert anyone to nudism/naturism, I educate them and allow them to make up their own minds whether or not it's for them. We re-educated our daughters about nudism/naturism. We talked, answered questions and then when they were ready, we took them to the beach, clubs and resorts. It was up to them to then decide IF it was right for them. They enjoyed it, but living as a nudist is not what they prefer to do. If it's someone's ( a nudist's) desire to begin telling those that do some skinny dipping, hot tubbing, sunning, gardening, sleeping ... that they are nudists, it may just as easily stop them from doing it ... instead of converting them to join our ranks. After educating our daughters ... our youngest has continued to visit our club and a resort we frequent. She would like to join an org and join our club. She made that decision on her own after being educated and exposed. She doesn't do her housework naked, doesn't live as a nudist, doesn't consider herself a nudist ... but enjoys visiting nudist venues when she feels like it. If she's willing to join an org, support those fighting for our rights to live and recreate as nudists, join our club and bring in some of her 30 something friends ... isn't that enough without handing her a label she may not be comfortable with? We've met many couples at that resort that visit a few times a year but do not consider themselves nudists and some of them, quite frankly, got upset when asked ... "how long have you been a nudist?" Their reply ... "WE are NOT nudists." I'd prefer "they" called themselves nudists and we will continue to just educate. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 15, 2013 |
I'm not one to give much credibility to a celebrity because he or she states they spend time nude at home, swim nude, garden nude... unless they specifically state ... "I'm a nudist." Only one I know of that has done that is Helen Mirren. I don't put much into what "celebrities" do or say. I personally think they do many things to promote themselves and their careers, including nude scenes in movies ... BUT ... For those that do listen to what these celebrities say and do, that are NOT nudists, it can give them pause and can make them think about what it is we do and if they think Alicia Silverstone is cool doing it ... maybe they'll think that how we live everyday is okay or cool too. She doesn't have to wear a label, she doesn't have to profess to being a "nudist," but it would be great for these celebrities to speak positively about those of us that do live this way and call ourselves nudists. "I'm not a nudist" ... that's fine but it would have been nice for her to say ... "I'm not a nudist but I think it's cool or okay to be one and live as one." But then again ... like I said ... "I don't put much into what "celebrities" say or do. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 15, 2013 |
I don't think I could disagree more! A person who walks around the locker room naked is also a nudist? Really? WE have allowed politically correctness to change our language, the way we talk, what we say, change the meanings of words, ... and now we have a suggestion to identify anyone who gets naked ... as a nudist? There are meanings and definitions for many things that just shouldn't be messed with, changed or configured to allow EVERYONE to be a part of, without the conviction it takes to be a part of that group. I have a sister who has admitted to sleeping naked; she doesn't belong to any group or organization that promotes our way of life, she doesn't do anything else nude but sleep and take a shower, she's visited one or two "topless" beaches in Europe years and years ago and for the most part is quite conservative and doesn't understand what it is we do or how we live. Our daughter's have visited the nude beach several times, vacationed at a nude resort and partook completely for a week, use their hot tub and swimming pool naked, sometimes, but ... they are not naked in their home, don't belong to any groups or org's, don't follow the nudist lifestyle philosophy ... why should we consider them nudists? Nudism/naturism is a mindset, a philosophy and a way of life. Just because someone does their chores in the nude, sleeps nude, gardens nude, swims nude, does not make them a nudist ... unless they agree with the philosophy and that way of life. I have a fishing pole; doesn't make me a fisherman! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 13, 2013 |
Fear ... plain and simple, Fear. Fear of reprisal from employers, family, friends and aquaintances. Whether or not it's justified or not, or whether or not you believe it, agree with, disagree with it ... it's a fact of life. We'd ALL like to do whatever the hell we want to but we can't always and most times don't. Whether you want to admit it or not ... we all care about what people think of us and what it is we do. IF WE DIDN'T ... we wouldn't be on here defending most of what we have to say on just about every topic of discussion. For some ... it's easier to make this transition from living in a textile environment, which most of us do, into living in a full time nudist environment but ... I've witnessed first hand that there is only ONE thing different living in a nudist environment than there is living in a textile enviroment ... clothes ... and sometimes, the nudists are wearing clothes as much as their counterparts in the textile communities. There are still good neighbors, bad neighbors, busy body neighbors, neighbors that mind your business more than their own. Neighbors who gossip about each other, tell stories, lie, cheat, fight. Where is the difference in living in a nude community as opposed to where I'm living now? The difference ... I can roam my neighborhood naked but I'm still confined to the gates, walls and fences of the community. We live as nude as we can here in this textile community. We are not opposed to buying a place in a nudist community but our excuse ... $$$$$$$. Can't sell this house and can't buy another house. Even if we could, we BOTH have to agree that that is the move we want to make and if she's not 100% agreeable ... then it ain't gonna happen. NOW ... living nude in your own home, that's a different story and the only reason I can think that "nudists" won't live nude at home ... is because they are not really nudists, but like to be naked on occasion. That's what I think, anyway. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 10, 2013 |
What you may want to do is start a separate topic ... like; Businesses offering discounts to Military personnel. Then others can add to it and ask questions there. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jan 10, 2013 |
I don't see why not! Something like ... Caesar's Palace offers 20% discounts to Active Military personnel, I would think, would be acceptible! I think it's just sharing travel information with other nudists ... doesn't have to be another nudist venue. :D | |
| Absolute Naturists Promoting nudism: as a nude or C/O activity? |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 23, 2012 |
Answer this question for me; Is there ONLY one way to promote nudism? ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 23, 2012 |
I simply ... don't agree! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 22, 2012 |
I don't think it can or should be one way or the other. YOU, as the veteran nudist, need to know your audience. YOU need to know with whom you're talking to and explaining nudism to. If you pounce on them with "nudity" and they are a shy type of person, not very social, kinda private and withdrawn, not adventurous but you see potential ... I think you'll get further by leading them in the NUDE direction by way of the C/O direction? If you are talking with someone who is outgoing, likes to try many different things and isn't afraid to socialize, adventurous ... then by ALL means ... go the "nude" route but "nude" doesn't work for everyone. Case in point: Our daughter is onboard, her husband is not but is not opposed to her visiting or even joining our club. She can't join without him coming and ... taking a mandatory "nude" tour. He'd rather not, she said she'd be naked but our club's policy ... "you both have to be nude." YET ... nudist people at our club walk around clothed or covered ALL THE TIME! So ... knowing your audience and knowing how they will perceive and receive what you're explaining ... is why I think, it really shouldn't be one way or the other. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 21, 2012 |
I guess in my mind ... I let "them" make the decision once they've at least experienced some type of nudity, in a social setting ... that's my reason for C/O approach. Throwing people that are NOT typically nude at home, on a regular basis, other than showering or even sleeping, just seems to freak them out. Being about to experience it and witness it from a C/O position, then ... in my opinion, gives them the choice to jump in or pack up and leave. I think what happens is that when nudity is "mandatory" from the get go ... we lose more people than we gain. I'm NO C/O advocate, nor do I think that is the way we should be ... but I'd rather get them in the door/gate and then let them make that decision without it being forced on them. It worked on our daughter and now she is getting back into it ... because she was able to visit a C/O resort, wear a sarong, uncover her breasts and by the end of the first day ... she was naked like everyone else. Had we told her ... you have to be nude from the get go ... she may have gone home and "we" would have lost another young nudist. Because she was introduced in such a way ... she brought her best friend and her husband on board. It doesn't always work for all or for some ... but that's why I've taken the approach I spoke of ... it just happened to work in our favor and it has a few other times. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 20, 2012 |
Probably from both angles ... BUT ... mostly from the C/O angle. When talking to people, friends or friends of our daughter's, we've always used the C/O angle to sell the "not HAVE to be naked" issue. Going topless, wearing a sarong covering you entire body ... all parts of the C/O philosophy of being semi nude without being completely nude. We try and steer them away from "nude" places for their first experience. When they ask about our life, our experiences and where we visit, then is when the "nude" promotion begins. We will tell them that it's the way we live and we prefer places where everyone is nude as opposed to some nude and many other clothed or covered. WE also tell them that there are different levels of this lifestyle with regards to when, where, how often people participate. We bring our daughter's experiences from beginning to present and how they vary from vacation to vacation or getaway to getaway from C/O to nude. There are some good places to experience both C/O and nude activities. Some resorts and many clubs are C/O and it gives many of those your are promoting the lifestyle to, a chance to witness both activities together and then choose which is right for them. We started out at C/O places. I was all ready to go full speed ahead to only visit "nude" places but the Prof liked the option. She is mostly "nude" at all these places but still likes the option if she feels like it. Most times ... we choose between the "nude" place or C/O place depending on her mood. I think it's easier to promote "nude" with C/O approach. Just my opinion, anyway. :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Who is the better nudist? |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 19, 2012 |
Did you even read the OP's first post and the subsequent posts? That's not what this thread is about. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 18, 2012 |
For the older generation ... showing any signs of love, tenderness, compassion and affection ... is showing vulnerability, the less "manly" side of yourself, less toughness and strength ... Women are the "weaker" sex, they can be less vulnerable (cuz us guys are there to protect them), embrace the feminine side, show compassion, tenderness, love and affection ... they're women and that's what women do. To see two women holding hands, hugging, kissing, being affecionate ... it's part of their "make up." To see two guys doing that ... "sissys!" If two confident heterosexual men hug ... older guys will automatically raise an eyebrow and say to themselves ... "I gotta watch myself around those guys." The older generation is not going to be able to deal with this issue. Gays and lesbians will have to endure the same crud they deal with on the outside of the gates ... inside the gates. It won't change til that generation dies out and a more tolerant, understanding and compassionate demographic takes over ... then they will be accepted as they will be on the outside. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 18, 2012 |
Are you asking ... why are online nudists secretive about their nudism or their preceived "higher-archy" status as members of an online site? There are sites that give out "status" labels; Ultra Nudist, SuperNudist, Gold Member, Platinum Member .. COmmunity leader. These are all tied to the number of posts and your involvement in the site. I've witnessed many that have the Ultra/Super/Platinum/Comm. Leader status label attached to their names or profiles and they offer NOTHING to the topics of discussion ... nothing with any teeth but 1000's of posts such as; "I agree with that." "I think that's great." "I do that too." but they have no real experience, no first had knowledge, never left the house or keyboard ... Being secretive about who and what you do? For me personally ... I have a nudist wife and willing participant that is a "private" person by personality. She's still working, does NOT participate in online discussions, doesn't have or want a FaceBook page and shys away from devulging any personal information ... on her own. I devulge some of her's with her permission but she's not crazy about it and I tread lightly when it comes to the Professor and public discussion about her and her nudism. We had NOT ventured into social nudism at the time we entered into the nudist websites online. Everyone was using "handles" and that's what I used. I've used the same "handle" for all the years I've been on and didn't think it was necessary to go back and use our real names. Of the information I do share ... it is truthful and I am, we are, who I say we are ... but there is probably still speculation ... doesn't bother me. Like I've said ... I was "outted" at my retirement party to most of our friends and family. I stood up, bowed and took it like a proud nudist. Even answered some questions ... quite frankly, dispite the alcohol on board. So ... that's it! | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 18, 2012 |
Yah ... LOL was outta frustration ... but I still LOL'd while I read through that portion of the thread. It was a LOL ... this happens all the time ... LOL I won't use it anymore! It's NOT "saying" you're a better nudist ... it's the remarks made in rebuttal, replied posts, the need to always correct someone about what they've said. It's like the entire discussion regarding "nudist" or "naturist." Does it really matter? Does it make a difference which one you call yourself ... but both sides of the fence will argue to the death about which one is correct and in what context. And those with the correct definitions may think ... "they are the better nudist." Take for instance ... "driving naked." You've got some that do it and others that see it as "exhibitionism." When it's explained to those thinking it's "exhibitionism," they try and find some way to denounce what you are doing by driving that way and how "it's going to ruin naturism and give it a bad name." Thus ... implying that "naked drivers are not the better nudist." ALL discussion, ANY discussion on sex, sexual atmospheres and feelings are automatically BAD and not naturist/nudist. WE DID NOT STOP living and being sexual beings just cuz we became nudism. There's a place for everything but if you mention it ... you're automatically NOT a nudist/naturist by some nudists standards. Again ... "those interjecting anything sexual into a "nudist/naturist" conversation are "not the better nudist." There are so many facets of nudism/naturism. We need to acknowledge that there are diversities within our community and embrace them as just that ... diversities. NOT everyone can have what some have. Our family and personal relationship dynamics are all so different and one nudist can't tell the other what they should do ... just cuz that's what they think they should do or that's what they did. We can't ALL live in a nudist community ... even if we wanted to. We can't ALL be naked all the time at home and many of us don't have willing partners ... in fact many have partners that actually hate nudity. There aren't that many places to live nude all the time and for so many ... there are other obstecles that prevent them from doing this. Even if you have a willing participant in living, vacationing, recreating that way ... many other perameters dictate what you can do and when you can do them. IT"S NOT THAT CUT and DRY for everyone and when those that have the opportunities and denounce those that don't ... it becomes a one upsman situation and an "I must be the better nudist." ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 17, 2012 |
LOL ... I think this thread got Lost in Translation! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 15, 2012 |
But ... I GET what Nudony is saying. How many times have you posted something just to have someone make some remark in an effort to correct you because you didn't explain it correctly or clear enough or to add their own "spin" on what it is you're saying. Let me be clear; I happen to believe in what SB has started here and enjoy this group BECAUSE ... I feel that under the group mantra, I am what she considers an Absolute Naturist. I still don't think that those that are home nudists or don't feel the need to be nude all the time, live it, breath it, educate about it, spread the word when possible ... are any LESS a nudist, just probably not the "Absolute" this group was meant to attract. Everyone's nudism dynamic is different. There are many, many groups to belong to, here and in the "real" world. I love to play sports and love to play tennis BUT ... probably would not join the "tennis group" at our club ... not my kinda nudists. So ... I get what Nudony is stating. There are those that are heavily, dead center, into this lifestyle and those that on the fringes and someplace in between. What is needed is the realization that this exists and the need for acceptance of all of those as just "nudists" and not one group or section being better than the other. One of those topics Nudony is speaking of ... involved me in another site and a person who was "able" to raise her children as nudists from the beginning of time and the comments made about someone else that hasn't/wasn't able to do this. The condescending remarks made it sound as though she was the better nudist because she raised her children this way and he did not. I have "challenged" people and questioned their reasons for some things but I don't recall EVER telling someone I'm a better nudist than they are and that they are NOT a nudist ... maybe not an Absolute Nudist as is described in the heading of this group. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 15, 2012 |
The recent tragic incident in CT. brings to light the many other responsibilities educators are faced with in current times. Teaching children the basics, teaching them hygiene, citizenship, earthquake preparedness, fire drills, lock down drills ... and now what? ... running for cover in the face of gunfire ... at school no less. I thought today about the many things my daughter's were taught while going through the creditialing program to become a teacher. I don't ever recall them telling us about being taught what to do when a gunman goes into a school and indiscriminately begins killing children and adults. I don't know that anyone can teach that. But in spite of that ... teachers and administrators gave their lives, yesterday, protecting what children they possibly could before losing their lives. Teaching was never suppose to be a dangerous job but this horrific event brings to light that some extremely brave people embark on a career in education and take their responsibilities to educate and protect our children at all cost. Our hearts and prayers go out to those that lost their lives and to those that lost loved ones. | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 14, 2012 |
I don't know. I'm going out on a limb here. I think most of the nudists that frequent clubs are of the "old school" of thought and until the younger, more progressive nudists start getting involved and occupying more space in the nudist clubs ... I think the gay couples will find it ... not so easy to "fit in." I think we all love to think we are open-minded but ... we bring lots of baggage with us and we don't leave it at the gate when we check in, nor do we leave it in the car with our clothes. It's gonna take time. Maybe not as much time as it will on the main streets but ... time, nonetheless. ;) PS ... to answer the question: I don't think "Gay Marriage" will adversely effect Nudist Clubs/Venues. It may help to revitalize interest and increase in memberships to some clubs and resorts by being included thus enticing friends, family that have been reluctant to visit or join because of the stigma attached to gay couples/marriage by the close minded. | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 14, 2012 |
My beard hadn't grown that long to start trimming it. My mustache has to be trimmed quite often or I keep pulling the hairs outta my upper lip everytime I bit into a burger or sandwich! hahaha I've done the same thing ... trimmed one side, then the other , then back to the other, then back again and next thing I know ... I've trimmed too much! hahaha Now I leave it longer and trim less. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 14, 2012 |
After I retired, I grew a beard. I liked it and needed a bit more time to get used to it but ... I shaved it off one evening after returning from the beach. Our grandkids all got a spot around the sink and watched it happen. When I was done, I asked them if I should shave off the mustache as well. A mustache they'd all never seen me without and one that I had had for over 25 years. They all said yes and after I did, they took off running cuz ... "I didn't look like Papa anymore!" hahahahaha I saw my dad a week or so afterwards and he asked me ... "why the hell did you shave that mustache off?" I told him ... "just something different." He said ... "GROW IT BACK!" hahahahaha I posted a picture of me with my beard on another nudist website I belong to. Most everyone liked it. Then I posted a picture of me after I shaved it all off and the owner's wife replied ... "FP, you've got tanlines!!!" Never realized that but the skin on my upper lip and my face had a visible tanline. I've grown the mustache back and will keep it. It's so much a part of who I am ... it's hard to look at myself without it! I still would like to grow a beard back in the future. We'll see how that goes with the Prof. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 14, 2012 |
Welcome to the group! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 13, 2012 |
Well that's for sure, Lacey. "I" seldom look at the statements but the Prof does! Sometimes that's NOT a good thing. Hard to surprise her with a gift! hahaha I ended up getting my own accounts many, many years ago to combat that. If something ever happened to the Prof ... I'd be sunk ... she takes care of all that. I'm the one on an allowance! hahahaha Bank of America: Been account holders since ... I was 16 and then both of us when we got married at the ripe ol' age of 20. Didn't take me long to hate them and I've hated them ever since but ... my wife won't change. Since she handle the $$$ ... I stay out of it! hahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 8, 2012 |
We've nude boated, Seadoo'ed, water skied ... on Lake Powell, Lake Mohave, Lake Havasu and all along the Colorado River from Laughlin to Havasu. We've even encountered nude sunbathers on the banks of the river on our way down river from Laughlin to Havasu. Have not been to Lake Mead yet but a friend has been and I asked him ... "any places I can ride my Seadoo naked?" He replied ... "the entire lake!" hahaha Powell, Mohave and Havasu ALL have enough "beaches"(sandy banks), coves and areas where you can boat naked and be naked the entire day. We spent so much of the time naked during the day and either no one cared or no one noticed. We kept our distance but didn't go WAY outta our way to avoid others. Most times, when we were noticed, we got a thumbs up and even got flashed many times by both men and women ... tops and bottoms and even had a couple of boats full of people see us naked and they all jumped up and waved ... cuz they were all naked too! Need more info ... let me know. | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 8, 2012 |
NO WONDER I can never find someone to help me ... they're ALL following YOU around! LOL :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 8, 2012 |
When I talked to our youngest daughter's friends about our lifestyle, they asked lots and lots of questions. As usual, I answered them frankly and honestly. I found that two couples admitted to loving to skinny dip and used their hot tubs almost exclusively without suits. So I ended the talk on nudism with this thought which goes along with your topic; "If you enjoy skinny dippin' and hot tubbin' in the nude, like the freedom and sensation of doing both ... why wouldn't you want to live with that same feeling each day and as much of the day as possible? Just think about that!" ;) We've converted one couple, the daughter's best friends, to an extent. They admitted to enjoying days of simple nudity at home and keep asking us when we are going to take them to the nude beach again. But they are not nude to the extent that we are. Maybe in time. | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 7, 2012 |
On the 19th! Damn this Bday came fast! hahahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 7, 2012 |
I too turn the Big 60 next month. Since the Prof is younger by 8 months ... I will turn 60 quietly and then we'll celebrate in the summer when she turns 60 with some sort of celebration. We are looking to take another cruise (textile) and so maybe we'll get a large group together and do that. Nothing huge, maybe a 4 dayer so we can afford to take our grandkids. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 7, 2012 |
Thanks for the reply Lacey. I elected not to call the CC company and send in the check to save the $$$. Funny thing is that they had this CC # since I joined and became a Premium member and have been debiting the account monthly for months and months but then decided to stop. I'll still call them and ask why they did that but sending in my membership annually saves quite a bit of money. Learned about alerting your CC company that you are traveling ... the hard way. We were in the caribbean and had our CC flagged and blocked. We'd bought plain tickets from LA to NY and then to St. Martin, used it for groceries and rental car but after a few days ... when we went shopping ... bam ... declined!!! WTH! After we called and talked to them, they woman on the othern end stated that they should have flagged the card and called me when we reached NYC. We know better now and always tell them when we are traveling or gonna be spending lots of money or charging large amounts. Appreciate the reply. | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 6, 2012 |
Not sure ... but a friend of mine, here, and I were in the chatroom with some others and she got bumped out a couple of times. Don't think it's just you. | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 6, 2012 |
Riesling, White Tempranillo, White Merlot ... any sweeter and you'll probably not like it much. Sweeter wines are the Moscato's and Ice wines. Those are too sweet for me. | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 6, 2012 |
New member to this group. Thanks for allowing me to join. | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 6, 2012 |
We have several micro brews in this southern end of Southern California. There are 3 or 4 four right here in town. All of them have some really great brews and IPA's. They are so off the beaten path ... I needed my SIL to show me where they were! But ... my favorite "drink" would be Crown Royal on the rocks. But since this is a Beer and Wine enthusiasts group ... I prefer red wine to beer. I have a slight allergy to brewer's yeast. Nothing serious but ... don't feel too comfortable after a few brews. One of our favorite wineries ... or wine tasting rooms is Naked Winery in Hood River, OR. A really fun place to do some tasting and drinking. Great, fun loving bar tenders and some great apparel. A friend, that lives in WA., gave me a t shirt after he and his wife joined their wine club. It's reads ... "I get Naked regularly!" I'm a Zin wine drinker, next would be Merlot. | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 3, 2012 |
Is anyone else having trouble with their CC company not allowing or authorizing your CC for Premium membership? I called my CC company and they stated that they've had lots of incidents of fraud and that though the sites base of operation is on the East coast ... the CC payments are going through the UK? Is that correct? I will probably upgrade through snail mail and save the money. For now ... I will have to do without Premium membership til my check arrives and is cashed in Las Vegas. ;) | |
| Nudist Clubhouse Events Anyone notice there is an actual DATE for the 2013 Nudist Expo? |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 2, 2012 |
Missed the first one ... but would really like to go to this next one. Maybe see ya there! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Dec 1, 2012 |
We don't go to nudist venues to "see" other naked people ... but we do got to nudist venues to "be" with other naked people. I admit to feeling the same way that Armadillo does on this topic. It bugs the hell outta me to go to a nude venue and see people dressed...NOT covered for sun protection ... but dressed, fully dressed. They are usually the ones calling the front office to drop a dime on someone wearing something around the pool or "mandatory nude areas". I think in the beginning, we all have this "concern" about fitting in and NOT standing out. If you've chosen a particular grooming standard, have tats, piercings, missing body parts, surgeries, surgery scars, any type of handicap ... all those issues you question about yourself and your appearance ... you go to find others that are like you so you don't feel ... outta place or stand out. I think it's a normal reaction and concern but once there ... you find that even though there are similarities, we are all unique and different in many ways ... and that's a good thing. WE ALL LOOK! We are curious beings ... no different than cats. We look and wonder things about others and that's okay ... it's the obvious "looking' that gets in the way of just being curious and becomes gawkish, voyeurish, creepy that people get concerned with. Nudity is NOT about seeing or being seen for a great many nudists ... but there is that element of "nudists" that are also exhibitionistic and carry that part of their lives a bit too far into the lifestyle that can make others feel uncomfortable and give others the wrong idea about ALL nudists. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 26, 2012 |
Welllll... ya got me into a routine now and I kinda like it. It reminds me of my ol' days as an Engineer at the fire house. One of his jobs is the flags at the station. He puts them up, takes them down, folds them and replaces them when necessary. So ... I'm putting the flag out everyday and taking it down at dusk. Not sure if I want to leave it up 24/7 ... I kinda like this new routine and the Prof likes the flag flying everyday. Only time it doesn/t fly is if we are going to be gone more than a day. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 18, 2012 |
It's been flying since 8 am this morning! Never really realized it but my wife says she likes to have it out often. Guess I'll be making it a routine. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 18, 2012 |
Dressing for success comes in many different levels. I do NOT want this to be taken as going off topic but it has similar correlation to what we are talking about. With my job, we dressed in a uniform. "I" set the dress code, even though our department had a set of standards. It was inevitable that at least one of my firefighters would take dressing "casually" a bit further than I would allow, and it affected the way the public, those we responded on and those we encountered while conducting business received us, responded to us and welcomed our help. In the summer months, I would allow them to wear t shirts with "matching" logos, usually our station number. I always had to tell at least one of them to go upstairs and change his worn, faded t shirt with a hole in it. You can dress casual but still look professional, hence ... a slob is going to be a slob no matter what you try and get them to wear. It was surprising how some of these guys were "uncomfortable" in a clean, pressed uniform. Off topic part: Our department and the board of supervisors adopted a "no tattoos below the short shirt line. But guys would go out and get them after they passed probation and the Union fought their cases and won. The problem ... older, ill and injured people began complaining that the department was hiring " undesireables." Never mind that these were great guys but ... they had tats and these older people, the highest demographic we responded to help, did not feel comfortable with some of the firefighters sleeved tats. Some of the public didn't accept the tatted firefighters as "wholesome" professionals and that reflected on some really great guys. Winter time, we had what is known as a work shirt. It's a sweatshirt with a denim collar and elbow patches. Guys would wear these things til they about fell off their bodies from wear. The older, faded and more tattered they were ... the more they felt more of a "veteran" and not a new guy. Not professional and they didn't like it when I told them they couldn't wear it and since we ALL didn't have the same thing to wear, we wore what was issued. My wife is a college professor with a PhD! LOL There are many of her colleques that have the same degree but dress like Hobos. hahaha The problem ... their "casual" dress truly affected their teaching practices. The "I don't care the way I look" attitude, carried over into the classroom and they had an "I don't care if you show up, do your work or not, I'm getting paid and that's all I need." It affects the way these young college students learn and how they act, how they dress and how serious they take their responsibilities with work, school and life. You have to care about yourself enough to care if others will take you seriously about anything. Do we take hobos seriously? Do we take the street person seriously? Some of these people are in situations, not of their own doing. I think it's a fact of life that we do treat those that care enough about their appearances in public, that we treat them better than those that don't care. May not be right and certainly isn't fair but it's what I've experienced in life thus far. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 16, 2012 |
SB... you've brought up a very good point. I have been guilty of this on occasion. Luckily ... I have a wife that reminds me not to be a slob! LOL WE have these nudist friends and we've known them for several years, vacation with them twice a year. They were here for a visit and she and my wife went shopping. She, in her polo shirt that we've seen her wear since we met them several years ago. It is stained and worn. Though I would not "classify" her as a slob, she just didn't care about the clothes she did wear when she had to wear them. They returned with several items and one of those items was a new shirt, my wife convinced her to buy. We took them wine tasting and she wore her new shirt and her demeanor did change and she was a bit more peppy and animated with her clean, new digs on. Maybe it was the wine! LOL We vacation with several couples in the caribbean each year and we've gone out to dinner to some nice restaurants and some of the guys will dress in shorts and shirts that look like they've worn them to do the yard work. The women all dress, minimally but very nice and appropriate for the occasion. I always take a pair of nice shorts and a couple of nice shirts for these dinner outtings and I'm often asked by the other guys ... "why are you so dressed up!?" It just feels better ... if I have to be dressed. I think we've all seen and heard of nudists that "just don't care" what people think or how they look, dress, act. "This is who I am, take it or leave it." But I truly think, it's not about how others think of you but how you think of yourself. ;D | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 14, 2012 |
Thanks ... these are also awesome! I'd love to be able to remain on topic but ... I do NOT have the computer skills to post these attachments as you do. I will, therefore, be a visual participant and refrain from going off topic! LOL Thanks again for posting these, they're great. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 14, 2012 |
Yeah ... that was the Elave Skin Care cosmetic company that "had NOTHING to hide" in their product and the employees in the ad were all nude, including a pregnant woman. That was a great ad. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudists and their clothing choices |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 14, 2012 |
My wife still works ... so she dresses professionally and buys quality clothing that will last for the school year. I don't skimp on shoes or clothing. IF I have to wear it, I like it to fit right and feel nice and comfortable. I usually buy quality clothing as well but the difference between my wife and I ... I don't buy clothes very often. She does get on my naked butt about wearing the same damn thing all the time! LOL Even though we live in Southern California, we do have summer/spring, fall/winter clothing. We just happen to love our summer/spring clothing more ... cuz there's less of it! hhehehe :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 14, 2012 |
I will admit that I do NOT fly an American Flag daily or have a flag pole in my front yard. We do have one of those flag holders mounted to a post on our porch and I'd say that I fly the flag more often than not but not daily. It's just not a routine I ever adopted. Doesn't make me any less American. What I do not understand and agree with is those that fly the flag year round, claim patriotism, but don't respect the flag or use flag etiquette. I've seen guys that fly their USMC flags along with the American Flag and the flags are left out in the rain, fly at night without a light, become dirty, torn and need to be retired, hanging in a window and used for a curtain. That is not respectful of our flag. We need to remember to respect the flag and not just fly it because we feel that flying it daily or 24/7/365 makes us more American than our neighbor. I've listened and read many a post on here, watched several news stations and I can tell you ... I bet some of those news commentators fly the American flag daily but are saying some VERY unAmerican things about this country ... and people are buying into that. As soon as the sun comes up ... I'll remember to put out our flag. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 13, 2012 |
My masseuse has returned from vacation. Who gave her permission to go on vacation!!!!???? LOL Next week she'll arrive and I am counting the days. What does it tell ya when the first appointment I can get is next week ... yup, she's that good. She introduced me to the Reiki technique the first time she gave me a massage and explained it to me. I'm a believer! I was wondering if she was gonna return after our last session but obviously my slight exposure didn't phase her and she called me asking how I was and wondering if I needed a massage ... next week! hahahaha :D | |
| Absolute Naturists Children Raised As Nudist... Choice? |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 12, 2012 |
Our daughter's were being raised to live without clothes until they stopped at the ages of 12 and 10. 20+ years later, they have both revisited naturism. The oldest, more a "vacation nudist." But the youngest is exploring it more and more. She's having some issues, personally, and leaning towards returning to naturism is a very small part of the problem, in her relationship, but a problem nonetheless. She's wanting to join one of the national orgs and then join our club. Her BF and her husband are also very interested in visiting. So ... even though we were bring them up to live clothes free, at home and in the backyard, they made the choice to stop but ... it seems that some of that has stuck with our youngest and she's wanting to be involved in it much more nowadays. Still her choice! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 12, 2012 |
Who'd a thought that my favorite drinks had nude ads. Love Canada Dry Ginger Ale, I'm a Pepsiholic, like to change it up with a DP every so often and ... the Prof's favorite float ... a 7 UP float. Thanks Andy ... these are fun. Still lovin' the hair-dos on the women ... classic!
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FireProf Posted: Nov 10, 2012 |
Even within our "community" ... we will find those that sympathize with her and those that think that what she's doing is inappropriate and should be confined to an "appropriate place." Fact is ... she's legally covered. Should she have put on a "statement" in front of a church ... probably not a good idea, ONLY because even those that sympathize with her, would not approve of doing that in that environment. And those inside the church that sympathize with her ... would probably have preferred her not to do it in front of a place of worship. This woman's getting grief ... how come the "Naked Cowboy" of NYC hasn't been arrested? He's standing out in Times Square in his underwear! LOL I know ... different city, different laws, rules and people. I've been to Ojai many a times, actually had a favorite uncle and cousin live there for a time. The folks in that town have WAY TOO MUCH time on their hands. LOL I don't think she's a nut case. If she is ... then it makes many of us ... a whole lot nuttier! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 10, 2012 |
Exactly right SB! This has been discussed before and I can't add anything more ... other than; I've read many a post where the younger generation is put off by the older, overweight, inactive members of these clubs and the same posters state ... they want XBox and other video games to be provided to attract the younger crowd. How much exercise and outdoor activity does an XBox provide!? hahaha I'm not convinced that a twenty something person's gonna get what we get and how we live and what this is about ... so I've concentrated on my 30 something daughter's, their friends that are mature enough to handle it, ask questions and actually try it, my grandchildren and even some of their friends (in the beginning). Ya can lead them to water, you can't make them drink and ... they gotta bring their own cup! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 10, 2012 |
Oh brother ... doesn't even deserve THIS comment! hahahahahahahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 9, 2012 |
Come on man ... IT'S A COMMERCIAL! It's not meant to leave you with some deep thoughts about coffee, lattes, clothing optional ... it's just a commercial and was meant to be fun ... not thought provoking! hahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 9, 2012 |
Nescafe isn't selling "clothing optional!" LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 9, 2012 |
I understand what you're saying about the music and voice but I listened to this commercial twice and I fail to see or hear the sultriness in her voice or the sexual undertones in the music. If the general public watches a commercial and sees a woman in only a towel, soft music playing in the background ... do they automatically change their view or mindset that "they are using sex to sell?" What if this woman didn't just get out of the shower, was wearing a robe and slippers and didn't mention the "clothing optional" line ... would we be having this conversation about this commercial in particular and it's "sexual" references, that some have or had? Maybe it's the fact that many of us live such a normal, everyday life, at home, in the nude and don't put as much emphasis, sexually, on the fact a woman is wearing only a towel and making herself a cup of coffee! hahahaha Thanks for posting that commercial. Wish I had your computer skills. Good thing I don't need glasses ... I don't have insurance coverage for new glasses til next year! hahahaha :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 8, 2012 |
LOL ... I must be losing my sight. I failed to see the "sex" in any of these ads. I love, love, love the nostalgic ads that include nudism. Thanks for posting them. I did have a bit of a banter with a friend regarding the "sex," he felt, was part of the new "Nescafe" commercial where the female makes her own latte from her own machine after getting out of the shower wearing only a towel ... and states ... "I've found the best cafe, where I can get my drink like I want it ... and it's clothing optional." He thought there was too much sex in the commercial and that's what they were using to sell the product. He lost me on that one! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 6, 2012 |
It is definately something that has had some of us scratching our heads. I know my wife worried about this for quite some time til she began hearing stories about others who had run into someone that they knew from the textile world, at a nude resort, beach, club and listened to their stories and reactions. One in particular was a teacher at a Catholic school who vacationed with her husband at a nude resort and while on their morning walk, on the beach, ran into the priest, who was the Priniple at the school, coming the other way and he also was nude. I've always looked for those I know, at the club or a resort and we've seen a few and now my wife is over this phobia, which makes it much easier to just be, at a resort or club, then to "be on the lookout." :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 5, 2012 |
Ahhhhhh ... you're killin' me! hahahahahahaha :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 5, 2012 |
Sandguy and I had coffee here in town and we are planning another meet in the near future. Let me know what club you're gonna visit. If it's in my ability, I'll try and get there. FP | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 5, 2012 |
Ok ... I get what you're saying. But we're about to get a arse chewing for venturing off topic and I'm suppose to keep us on topic! :) ...AND ... just to be clear; you and I have known each other for a long time. We don't always agree ... and I think that's healthy, but I'd still like to meet YOU and talk in person. We seem to be on the same page some of the time, most of the time but not all the time. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
We used to own a convertible. Had it for a little over 6 years. We never drove it naked ... wonder why. BUT ... before we bought that car, we were renting convertibles to find out which one we really liked and fit our needs. We rented a Mustang one week and one summer night, it was still pretty warm ... in the high eighties. We got in it and went for a drive. The Prof in a skimpy sundress and me in shorts and t shirt. Once on the highway headed north ... I slipped outta the shorts and t shirt and she hiked up the dress ... she was scared to take it off. I got off the highway and started up the into the foothills. It was about 11pm. Once up and away from other cars, she was more willing to take off the dress but kept it close ... hahaha We had a fun time but decided that the Mustang wasn't right for us and ended up buying a Chysler Sebring convertible a few months later. I wish I had that car back! It belongs to one of my niece's now. Been handed down a couple of times. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
I've had "naked dreams" where I'm naked but there are usually others naked as well ... just can't make out who they are. Lately, I've had naked dreams and both me and my wife are naked talking with friends about getting naked. It's really strange though ... once they begin to take their clothes off ... I wake up! Now ... I've had several dreams where our nudist friends are a part of the dream and they are naked and I can make them and their bodies out clearly ... probably because I've seen them naked too many times to count. The strangest dreams I have ever had ... are those when I'm dressed and after I've taken a vicodin for pain. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Do you consider Nudism a Hobby? |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
There's no doubt there are "hobby nudists," hell, our daughter's are back from the non nudist ranks to "hobby nudists." But ... for those professing to be "Absolute Naturists" could there be an Absolute Naturist that is a hobby nudist? | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
...and as I stated earlier ... everyone's got their own opinions, from different points of view and for their own reasons. I, personally, don't mind telling the truth and don't see any reason to lie, say things I wouldn't say to anyone's face, embellish on stories, say things I think or know people want to hear. If people think that about me ... that's their priviledge to do so but their rights end where they begin spreading lies or misinformation about me and my thoughts or opinions. There are lots of people I've met, online, that I don't care to meet in public. It's easy to find out. I've erased them from my "friends" list, I don't care to communicate with them ... or ... I will challenge them on what they say about me, friends, places I've visited and misinformation on nudists or naturism. When you take away opinions and argue simple facts and they continue to be boneheads about simple things and argue that the facts are a bunch of bunk ... then I've got no reason to continue a dialog with them. I'm here to learn from other points of view but just cuz you've got a different point of view ... doesn't make it right. I don't have a beef with obese people, I just give my opinion but I've found something very funny about the accepting nudists ... some will NOT allow you to have an opinion. Their opinion is right and whatever you say or state is not entirely correct, out and out wrong, tied to some political affiliation or religion and their opinion's are the only thing that matter and those that think like they do. If you've got a thought or opinion on a subject and it's out of line with several others ... ever see people pounce on the person with the opposing view? Why is it wrong to have an opposing view? I've questioned a great many of these opposing views ... but I at least try and see their side ... more than I can say for many of these people saying what they want to say because they can hide behind a computer screen and be who they want and say what they want. I don't do that and ... I have no desire to meet these people! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
Just thought I'd try and get some conversation going on this topic. I love working in the yard outside and what makes it better ... being a nudist, we always work outside in the nude. Our side yard, that is visible from our kitchen nook, was looking quite crappy. We'd seen a couple of displays at our annual county fair that added color to patio's and the yard and decided to tear out some overgrown plants and clean up the area and then ... redecorate it. We found some "vintage" patio furniture (metal), painted it with bright colors, hung some outside art work on the wall, planted some flowers and the area is now an eye catching spot for us to enjoy while we're using this dining area. Best part was working outside in the 80+ degree weather ... and naked! Felt good to get some of the spray from the water hose when we watered the plants! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
Rollercoaster, I hear what you're saying and agree but ... a person's physical appearance isn't automatically grounds for becoming friends ... skinny or fat. I've met a ton of people on the internet and from the conversations I've had with them or the banter between us ... I don't think I care to meet them ... no matter what their physical stature. I think it's imperative that we communicate and share opinions because it can change some people's minds about certain issues and subjects but for the most part ... many of us have already made up our minds about certain people and it's not always about physical appearances. For me ... it's about much more than that. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
Been out and about since my last post. Spending most of my time in shorts, a t shirt and flip flops ... when I have to exit the truck but when I can drive for a distance ... I'm almost always naked. We are currently real busy with our grandchildren's sports events. But when they are done for a short period ... we will undoubtedly have some time to take a drive to PS, the beach or even the club and I'll get some longer naked driving time in. Can't wait to get the motorhome out there again and drive it naked. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
We've not had the motorhome out in a while. I think the next day trip will be a tailgate outing for one of the Chargers next home games. Too bad the stadium officials and the SD cops don't let you tailgate naked!hahaha ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
Last night ... the Prof and I made a great seafood pasta dinner. She: penne with shrimp. Sauce; artichoke hearts, mushrooms, pine nuts and olives sauted in ... butter, olive oil and white wine and seasoning. Topped with parma cheese. Me: penne with scallops. Same sauce but I added sundried tomatos to mine. Warm bread with butter and a dish with olive oil and balsamic vinegar for dippin the bread. and not to forget ... a bottle of Simply Naked Pinot Gregio ... Then ... the hot tub! No wonder I slept pretty good last night! ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Do you consider Nudism a Hobby? |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
Rollercoaster ... Do you feel that some here in this group think differently than you do? | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
I really don't think you'll get any argument from this group of nudists! LOL :D | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudism and Obesity |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
This is true and like getting different people from all walks and shapes of life ... you get many with strong feelings and opinions about some things. Since the OP stated his negative reactions to those that are obese ... I don't see anyone that is obese to become friends with him ... but, that doesn't mean that everyone feels the same way. That's the intent of these topics ... is to see and hear different opinions on a variety of topics and issues and then decide if knowing someone better is right for you. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
For a short time, when my wife was very young, her grandmother, father's mother, stayed with them for a while. My mother in law would always tell stories about how her mother in law hated her and so on. When she was on one of these kicks ... she also retell the story of how her mother in law would get up in the morning ... naked, and walk to the bathroom, then put on a robe and have breakfast and then dress, minimally for the day, only to strip naked and take a nap in their living room. During these naked naps ... my wife and her brother and sisters were told to go out and play and they weren't allowed back in til dinner time when their grandmother put clothes back on again. My wife said that they didn't care because, when their grandmother did this... their mother left them alone to play outside and that's where they wanted to be! hahahaha Wish I had met this woman but she died long before the Prof and I started dating. Her grandmother on her mother's side ... a meek and mousie woman that was dressed for winter in the dead of summer! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
Saw the picture. If it had been us ... I think we would have jumped ship and gone over and finished our vacation with the FKK folk! hahahahahahaha :D | |
| Absolute Naturists Whats the longest time you've been able to stay nude |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 4, 2012 |
I don't think anyone that's truly of the Absolute Naturist mantra would argue with nudism/naturism being a state of mind. The topic was meant to be fun and find out what's the longest amount of time, consecutively, that you've been able to be nude. I think we ALL agree that ...WE are all still nudist whether we're clothed or not. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Old Age and Nudism |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 3, 2012 |
WE have had threads ... many threads that asked ... "what do you do for a living? What occupation do you have or hold?" Those threads/topics have been buried in the archives of many a nudist message boards. This is a viable business venture for someone with a little capital to lay out and the computer know how to put it together and manage it. I have neither! hahaha It will also take "professionals" to put their name and occupation, special skill, and contact information for all of us to see and be willing to patronize. A female member, here, posted something about being a mobile massage therapist and in the general area where I live. I'd love to have her take us on as clients but ... she hasn't logged on in three months, no way to get in touch, except for email and not sure if she's even in the business anymore. But ... I've got business for her if I make contact. There has to be enough of us willing to use a person's skills and profession for it to be a profitable side job. Many of these people already have full time jobs. It would take time, effort, money and commitment from those willing to put themselves "out there" on a "nudist Angie's List" type website. Not sure if it's even feasible with so many nudists unwilling to be open about what kind of lifestyle they live. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 3, 2012 |
This should NOT be a group. This is something that should be used throughout the nudist community and NOT just here on NCH. As the website business, Angie's List, this should be the beginning of a site all it's own or a spin off site ... NOT a group. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 2, 2012 |
Yeah ... maybe a Brian's List ... like Angie's list. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 2, 2012 |
Sorry Josh ... I could probably make it down to the beach and back up ... now ... but Sunday's are not good for me or for us. Still try and get there on a weekday for my first visit, check it out and then decide if it's right for the PRof. | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 2, 2012 |
What would be nice to have, is a list of nudists that have specific skills and training, in this field, that you could contact and hire when the time comes. I'm certain that there are home care nurses or those skilled in elder home care and are also nudists. If you needed this care, you could contract with this nudist skilled person to assist you and not only could you remain nude but they could work nude as well. I don't think, as a nudist community, we delve deep enough into our own community to seek those we may need, who are also nudists. Example: At our club, there is a professional, licensed painter. Had I had the money and the knowledge, I most likely would have hired him to come paint the inside of my home. It gives him work "he" needs to keep his business going and he could paint naked and I don't have to get dressed while he's doing so. If the nudist community would be willing to compile a list of these professionals, we might be able to have the elder help we need, performed by professional, skilled nudists that would most likely prefer to do their work naked for nudists. | |
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FireProf Posted: Nov 1, 2012 |
I thought it was pretty funny. Sandra Bullock was pretty amazing, in that, she seemed to improvise quite a bit. Hard to believe that her entire tirade was scripted and memorized ... but ... I could be wrong. It was good and funny. Like to know if Chelsea Handler is as comfortable in her own skin at home as she was shooting that skit ... but I'm sure because of the pixeling ... they probably covered a bit. Except in the opening scene where Chelsea Handler walks into the shower ... her side view clearly shows she most likely only had pasties covering her nipples. Gutsy move! LOL :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Children Raised As Nudist... Choice? |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 31, 2012 |
I think you're reading way too deep into my post! hahahahaha I'm sure, like in your situation, they were brought up that way ... whether or not they were nudists but their ability to adapt to a strange environment with people they don't know and they were ALL naked ... I think they did exceptionally well. Would they have been themselves without having been exposed to nudism ... hard to say, but I'm not going to discount the fact that their exposure was somewhat responsible for their behavior at the resort, in some instances. I will agree ... "nudism" does not make kids better behaved and respectful. Parents and grandparents are the ones that set that bar and expect them to reach it. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 31, 2012 |
If you go back and re-read what the OP stated ... it was ... "when I reach a very old age ..." I think we all knew what he was getting at and he wasn't lumping many of us in or approaching 60+ yrs of age or older. I'm fairly certain that the context was in that ... when you're unable to be completely independent of ANY help. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 31, 2012 |
I've thought a lot about it ... but then figured ... by the time I need assisted living ... I probably won't know if I'm naked or not. It's a tough call, when to move from complete independence to needing assisted living help. There are lots of those places around here and some are really nice and you could be nude in your own place but outdoor nudity would not be available. You'd have to be an inside nudist. Those places are set up like individual detached condos/townhomes, no privacy but ... the staff will look in on you during the day and in the evenings. You'd have to get dressed to go to the dining room. It's a great concept ... a nudist assisted living facility but not only can't I imagine the cost but having to get the skilled people to man the place and be okay with a bunch of naked old people about. I'm sure our nudist life will change when we get old enough to need this type of help. We can always look back on how we lived and be grateful that we had that opportunity. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 31, 2012 |
Thanks ... that's exactly what the Manager and his wife and many people on the beach, including our friends, said of our grandkids at the resort where we were vacationing in the caribbean. It was a nice compliment to their parents and to us. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 30, 2012 |
I think the thing that concerns older children the most, with regards to their parents being nudists, is the misconception of nudism being about sex and that their parents are involved in some swinging, orgy filled commune ... gettin' it on with everyone. It's important to put those misconceptions aside and educate them on what it is exactly and what your are involved in. We have friends that have not told their grown sons. Their sons know where they go and where they stay. They are aware of the way they live when they are not around ... yet, they won't tell them outright what they do, why they do it and what goes on ... it's left to the guy's imagination. That can't be good. I don't know that "raising" you children as nudists is what "should" be done or not done but at least exposing your children to simple everyday, non sexual nudity isn't harmful and I think it's healthy. Our girls are quite comfortable around us and our friends, while we're naked at the clubs or resorts and they come to visit. Even our grandkids were comfortable around our naked friends when we vacationed for a week in the caribbean. To them ... it was normal and natural for us and they were not bothered by it. I think because they always see us naked when they are here. | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 30, 2012 |
[Cancer Survivor Quote: FireProf, I agree that i was untactful in my last post. I apologize if i misunderstood the analogy. I'm a newbe here and a bit overzealous. I had a daughter that was picked on in school refering to the size of her bum and thighs. Yes, obesity is a health problem, but lets show some compassion for those who by either physical or psychological reasons can't shed the pounds. I think I might be too biased on this subject so I leave it to you and the other members to hash it out. I'll not participate on this subject again. End Quote] CS ... it's entirely up to you if you want to leave this discussion. But I think you and some others are missing the point of this discussion and many like it on the Absolute Naturist Group. There was another thread started by SunBunny a while back and in her opening statement and question she reiterated that the discussion was NOT about those with physical and physiological ailments but those that simply feel that since "nudism/naturism" is a "body accepting" lifestyle ... it was felt that many people just let themselves go and then decide to become nudists or ... nudists decide ... I don't care what I look like anymore and since everyone will accept me ... I don't have to care anymore. Does anyone see the difference? I need to lose 30 lbs. I have three bulging disks in my lower back, two in my neck, two bad knees (one needing surgery soon), two torn rotator cuffs (one needing surgery soon) ... to exercise is painful. How do I maintain or lose weight? and I love to eat and drink. Watch what I eat, how much I eat and the toughest part ... cut out the alcohol! Not what I want to do but I have to try and maintain a certain weight so I don't feel worse and when I'm able to exercise ... I still only have to lose 30 lbs instead of 60 or more! It's always been about "health" this topic but some feel that it's a direct attack on them personally. The OP didn't state in his opening post that he discounted those with physical and physiological ailments but many of us that posted took those into account first and foremost. For those that took offense; it might have worked better to just state your particular issues and give some of us more of an understanding of what problems some obese people face instead of going on the defensive and counter attacking people that didn't intend for anyone to take this discussion ... personally. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 30, 2012 |
I never saw my parents naked. I was raised in a pretty conservative family atmosphere, like my wife. When we got married and began living as nudists, we never had any "intention" of "raising" our children as "nudists" ... just kids that were exposed to nudity as a normal way of life. At the time when our oldest was born and began to understand that she could run around naked ... she didn't hesitate. Of course ... the younger one followed suit after she was at an age to understand she had that choice. We were naked all the time at home, in the backyard and the girls liked sleeping in their winter or summer PJ's with characters or Princesses on them. They also sleep without underwear. This was normal and even after they got to the point where they felt uncomfortable with being naked ALL the time ... they still slept without underwear. Every so often ... they would skinny dip in our pool or hot tub but not as often as they did before having listened to their friends. At that time ... we didn't have a support system like many new families do. The internet wasn't invented yet and we didn't know much about clubs or resorts. Had we met other families ... they may have helped us through these times and maybe ... or girls would not have taken the 20+ yr break they did ... but their upbringing was strong and through those choices they had ... they chose and chose to return to a life of semi-nudism or recreational nudism. I don't believe in forcing anyone to do anything. But at an early age of life ... parents must provide a foundation for their kids future. A foundation in religion, education, respect, understanding, nutrition ... if later in life they chose to take a different path, it's up to them but as children ... it is imparative that they are guided in their early years and if they are being raised by nudist parents ... the logical and normal way of life for these children would be to be naked ... if they are comfortable with it. When they become uncomfortable ... it's time to allow them to make the choice. | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 29, 2012 |
Okay Rabbit ... so at what age do you recommend that parents stop parenting and allow their children to make ALL the decisions that will mold the rest of their lives? If you're born into a family with a certain faith ... isn't it logical that the parents would raise that child in that faith? We did, we gave them a foundation to either build on or decide to find a different path ... in due time but if we went to church ... we didn't ask our 8 and 4 year old "do you want to go to church?" They just went with us. Later when they were "old enough" to make those decisions on their own ... they were allowed to make those decisions. With respect to nudism and nudity in the home. We didn't "force" our children to live as nudists ... they just adopted our way of living as their own. We didn't tell them ... "you must be naked ..." they just followed suit. When they turned 12 and 10 ... they decided it wasn't for them. Not because they thought it was bad but because they were influenced by friends that told them it was bad. Ironically ... those two girls that told them it was bad ... are the two girls having multiple life issues. Maybe they should have worried more about their own lives and less about our daughter's lives. hahaha Parenting is not a one size fits all. So ... when do we allow children to make up their own minds? | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 29, 2012 |
The opposite took place over 30 yrs ago with our kids. They always saw us naked. Gettin up in the morning, making breakfast, getting them ready for school and us getting ready to take them or go to work. They saw us naked when they got home from school, as long as they didn't have friends coming over. If we stayed home for the weekend ... we were naked inside and out. As they got older and they stopped being naked at home, with us, they still saw us naked frequently. Though we curtailed our nudity ALL the time when they were home, we still didn't make a big deal outta them coming in and out of our bedroom, bathroom or laying out in the sun or using the pool or spa. To this day ... both of them in their mid-late 30's will walk into our bathroom and borrow a hair dryer, hair spray, ask a question and see us both naked ... they don't bat an eye, they don't gasp, they see it as normal for us. Maybe ... that's why they are so willing to go on nude vacations with us, go to nude beaches with us and even visit our club and the resorts we visit. They still aren't comfortable with doing those things alone but they are comfortable still doing them with us. And this is after they both took an over 20+ yr break from nudism. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 29, 2012 |
I always love it when someone says ... "with all due respect" ... or ... "I'm sorry, but..." Your reply to Nudony's post was not respectful. Too bad you couldn't see the correlation in his analogy but decided to interject your own color descriptions of his penis that he DID NOT go into. Go into ANY topics about circumcision and you'll find all the disrespectful and uncivil remarks made by those that are cut against those that are not. Health, cleanliness, aesthetics ... "I'm sorry but ... my cut penis looks better...," "with all due respect... my cut penis is cleaner than your uncut penis..." It's ALL the same arguments and discussions ... doesn't matter if it's cut/uncut penis, real or fake boobs, tats, piercings, skinny, fat, pretty or ugly ... we all have opinions and they are just like A holes ... everyone's got one. So ... why is it so hard to just voice your opinion and stop taking everything so dang personal. Your opinion MAY just open someone's eyes to a view they'd not thought of before ... or are we ALL too educated to learn something new!? ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 29, 2012 |
How do you fix, self centeredness, selfishness and arrogance ... aside from ignorance? It exists in every generation and it comes from the previous generation of those teaching the youngsters that they don't have to listen, be patient, be flexible, be respectful. It comes from people wanting everything for themselves and their own and unwilling to share, help, be understanding, openminded and accepting. Some things you can't fix or find the answers to ... it has to be taught and there isn't a lot of teaching done anymore. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 29, 2012 |
I'm on several other sites. One is very cordial and quite "vanilla." We don't discuss many "controversial" topics. There are groups here that fit that same mold but they are very quiet and very little communication for long periods of time. Yeah ... ya all know that SB and I have become "friends" and we can post our opinions and question your's but ... we do our damnest to be honest and because of that honesty ... SB and I don't ALWAYS agree ... but the fact is, we both enjoy and encourage "honest" dialog on a number of topics that affect us as nudists and we're not just going to talk "nicey nice" about being naked all the time. This is a touchy subject because most of us struggle with weight issues. I'm overweight and I know there are things I can do, besides exercise, to curb my weight gain, lose weight and/or maintain my weight. "Technically" ... I am considered obsese ... although my doctor has said ... my appearance doesn't lend itself to what others consider obese. For my height ... I'm overweight by enough to be considered obese but since my weight is distributed pretty evenly throughout my body ... I don't appear obese, in the sense that some have in their minds as to what "obese" is and looks like. We need to be able to speak our minds, give our opinions and it taken as an opinion and not an attack on your opinion or that you are thinking what we are saying is "right" and what you're saying is "wrong." I know a couple of members here from other sites and I tell ya ... this site and "this" group has NEVER gotten as ugly, made personal attacks and nowhere near as uncivil as one site, in particular, that Lacey and I are on, elsewhere. This is good, adult, honest conversation ... that other site, Lacey, is junk and I've left it once and I'm getting ready to leave it again. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Biggest Issues Facing Naturist/Nudist Community |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 28, 2012 |
Inflexibility of those currently managing, running and making all the rules and standards of practicing naturism. There are many, many stubborn and bone headed people that either can't or won't keep an open mind. There is too much political correctness and even within our own community ... many aren't honest with everyone ... even themselves. Yes, the Baby Boomers do make up the majority of nudists but ... we make up the majority of society as well so it only makes sense that we'd make up the majority of naturists. Why have many of us become so stubborn, so rigid... so inflexible? And ... if the Gen Xers and Y'ers see this ... why are they also so stubborn and inflexible? | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 25, 2012 |
Depending where we are ... I will wear a light robe, heavier robe or find me a space heater, gas heater, propane heater or wood fire to sit next to so I DON'T have to wear something! hahaha ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 25, 2012 |
Our club is a 100% club, which means that you can not join the club unless you join AANR. Our membership was about to lapse and I went into the office, at the club, to renew our membership to the club and AANR. I was also concerned about the date on our cards being expired and not having a current card. The women in the office stated that you automatically get 60 days after your card expires as a "grace period" because of the processing of the renewal. So ... this tells me that it seems to take AANR to process the renewals and you should see your cards arriving soon. I renew each year in April/May and it took til just a couple weeks ago for AANR to send information to this site to prove I was a current AANR member ... and it's October! | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 24, 2012 |
Not much anymore. I've ALWAYS had pets and my wife hadn't until we were married. A dog; that didn't go well. Then a rabbit; that ended badly when we got so attached and then it died the night before we left for a houseboat trip. I was up til 2am diggin' a whole and have a burial ceremony. THEN ... a cat. Our daughter's cat that wasn't welcome in the roommates apartment. He came for a long weekend around Thanksgiving and never left. 13 years later, on Christmas Eve, we were in the Vet Emergency room. After emergency surgery and NO guarantee that he would make it more than a couple of months ... we had him put to sleep. Not a good Christmas that year! WE are done with pets. We are on the go so much and it's not fair to pets that we'd own to be left alone or in the care of others. I love pets, my wife has grown to love pets but ... it's best we don't have anymore. They played the pet role in our life. We were attached but we didn't dress them, we didn't treat them as our kids or grandkids. We didn't cart them around with us in travel bags. They were meant to not only be a companion for our kids but to teach them responsibility. It helped but when the rabbit and cat died ... it was too difficult to think about doing it all over again. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 22, 2012 |
Wishing Kayy and her family a safe trip to Florida. Enjoy the sand between your toes and the sun on your bunns! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 22, 2012 |
Welcome to the group! | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 21, 2012 |
Tuesday, October 30th, 7pm PDT That's the day before payday ... no money, so...I'll be in front of the computer... might as well chat! hahahahaha :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 21, 2012 |
It's on my calendar! ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Are Nudist Singles Sites a Joke? |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 21, 2012 |
Going onto these sites isn't about "finding a wife/husband," ... I surely didn't mean it in that context. ANY singles site doesn't give you the absolute ability to find a wife/husband, just companionship and the relationship goes from there. But for "ME" ... I think I can care for someone deeply enough and still not get married again. At the ripe ol' age of 60 ... I've become a bit rigid in my ways. I know what I like, who I am and what I want to do with the rest of my life. Even with dating another nudists, around the same age, I think they'd be set in their ways as well and think ... "we're pretty good together, but don't want to get married." For me, it's just as easy to be as caring, thoughtful, committed and loving to another person and not get married to prove that. I think I could live with a faithful companion ... that had a life beyond me and us, with her own friends that she could continue doing things they did before we were "married," and felt that maybe she couldn't do those things or shouldn't do those things because we are now legally bound together. hahaha Just my thought anyway. I did say ... I didn't think I'd get married again. I never said ... "never!" ;D | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 20, 2012 |
Our friends from Canada have come and returned home. We had an awesome visit and already made plans for the next gathering. When we picked them up in Palm Springs and were packing the car, I told them they pack WAY TOO much stuff for a couple of nudists. "You don't even need clothes to ride in our cars!" At that comment, they looked at each other and "she" said ... "I'm sure he'd enjoy that!" Thinking they'd follow suit ... I slipped off my shorts but ... I was the only one naked on the trip home ... :( Oh well ... their loss, not mine! They did say, however, that they would give it a try another time with more notice to prepare and be clothed appropriately to get from the hotel to the car. hahaha Life is still good! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 20, 2012 |
Since my last post, we made the trip to Lake Havasu, met up with one nudist couple, at the vacation home of another nudist couple that could not make the trip! Our other friends, that own the home, have made some vast improvements to the property and it is quite nude friendly ... even portions of the front yard! We had an awesome time and already have plans to return. One of the upsides to the trip was driving naked from home to Lake Havasu with a stop for fuel and food but still able to remain naked during those times. We arrived and got out of the truck and were greeted by our naked friends out front of the house. Strategic truck parking made that possible! hahaha We drove home naked and even made a stop and did some naked exploring up in the hills. Once home, we geared up for arrival of other nudist friends coming to visit from Canada. ALL these friends are part of "our" group that vacations together twice a year. It's been a tough couple years and one couple or another sometimes can't make it but things are getting better and we'll all be back on track again soon. The visit from our Canadian friends went quite well. They can't be naked at home like we are here. Their home isn't as private and NO Privacy in their backyard. They get here and they never want to leave cuz they will have to put on clothes. Even the day they had to leave and I was taking them to the airport ... they both waited til the very last second to get dressed. I told them I'd pull the truck into the garage and they could ride naked to the airport ... no takers ... "this" time! hahaha ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 20, 2012 |
WE are fortunate to have pretty good weather most of the year and if our area is a bit too cold ... we head for the desert for warmer weather and sun. I'm certain there are a few more nude camping trips in the near future. Our biggest problem, currently, is a tow vehicle. My wife is really getting into the "riding comfortably" in the motorhome and my truck's too big to tow and her's shouldn't be towed ... hmmmmmm ... looking for a Jeep Cherokee. See lots of those being towed. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Are Nudist Singles Sites a Joke? |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 20, 2012 |
"IF"... something were to happen to my wife, I would most likely join a singles group at any of the nearby clubs. I would join a Single Nudists site but ... I suspect that I would be one of thousands of single guys on there looking for a female companion. Nonetheless, you don't know unless you try. First off, I'd be on there to find a female companion with the same interests, a travel partner, a friend and not go looking for a wife. My main reason would be to find a compatible companion that understands and enjoys nudism from the beginning. I don't want to start over again. Trying to find someone you're compatible with AND one that finds your nudist lifestyle agreeable to them ... may be difficult by being "set up" by friends. I think it's important to be upfront and not keep any secrets from those perspective companions ... so, I'd probably not get too many dates, right outta the gate, by telling them I'm a nudist. hahaha I'm fairly certain I wouldn't get married again. I think you can reach an age where it could complicate other things in your life. If you care for someone and they care for you, I'm sure you both can reach an understanding that you can be together, even live together and be monogamous with one another but not have to get married. I've truly found the love of my life and it would be almost impossible to replace her. Those that have found love on these sites ... I envy you for your ability to get back in the game. That kinda stuff scares me to death. I haven't dated in over 43 years! hahahahaha ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 19, 2012 |
I'm ALWAYS suspicious of young females wanting to "friend" ME! hahahaha | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 19, 2012 |
Triker has changed his profile to private ... he has til tomorrow morning to change it back to public or ... YOU'RE GONE! ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Males Friending Females ONLY... What do you think? |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 18, 2012 |
Mack or Mack Daddy: MACK DADDY. 1. slang: a conspicuously successful pimp . 2. slang: a slick womanizer . | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 18, 2012 |
It isn't an issue. Don't think about it and do what's right for you ... not what you think everyone else wants or does. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 18, 2012 |
Some of the friends on my profile have asked me to be friends for certain reasons and I figured I'd give them a benefit of the doubt. But like other social media sites, they make the first move to request friendship and then you never hear from them again. Purge Time! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 18, 2012 |
Hey ... but just think of all the free dinners and drinks you might have gotten! hahahaha Just kiddin' of course! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 17, 2012 |
Sherri, one of these days I WILL show up to DP and meet in person. Just been busier than I'd like to be. With regards to your post. You stated that your son was "trying" to join. Are there new perimeters for joining the Armed Forces, nowadays? Back in my day ... if you were breating ... they took you! hahaha :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 17, 2012 |
Set the date and time ... I'll do my damnest to be there. :D | |
| Absolute Naturists How does Positive Social Nudity Bring Harm? |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 17, 2012 |
I understood what you were saying regarding the "word" "harm." My post was not to debate the meaning but what it meant to other nudists. In my opinion, how can someone being nude "harm" me? I suffer no physical injury, I don't feel pain from the "hurt", and though some may think I'm nuts ... I'm not on any medication for it ... but I guess that doesn't mean I'm not nuts! haha In order to answer the question ... we need to know what "harm" is and how it relates to those non nudists that see nude people. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 17, 2012 |
I'm not really sure. I don't use them ... my wife won't let me! hehehe ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 16, 2012 |
I'm a friendly guy ... I usually like to make friends with everyone ... unless they are SO narrow-minded that they think their way is the only way and their opinion is ALL that matters. I have a mix. I either had some good conversations with people on the boards and carried those onto email and so I thought being a friend would be good for future conversations. Sometimes I make friends with someone that has lots in common with me, us and our family. I make friends in areas I'd like to visit ... so I can get some first hand information on nudist opportunities in that area. Others ... I just like their attitude...even if we don't agree on everything! I am cautious but not cynical. Not every guy that has lots of female friends is a perv. Not every young female nudist is a troll. True ... you must weed through many to get to the real ones but once you've found some of them ... they can be good to talk to and get to know. I've made a few young female friends on nudist message boards. We converse frequently about their lives and our lives. Some of the others ... don't exist on the sites anymore and I've deleted their friendships. Males friending Females ONLY ... you and I know who they are and I don't accept friendship from them or request it. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists How does Positive Social Nudity Bring Harm? |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 16, 2012 |
"Harm" is such a subjective word. What is "harm" actually mean and what does it mean to each and every person. harm 1: physical or mental damage: INJURY 2: Mischief, HURT In my opinion, and mine is one of millions and millions, I equate "harm" with the physical and mental aspect of the definition. When I'm nude do I physically assault those around me with my naked body? Are the mentally harmed that they are now on medication because they saw my naked body? Regarding the social aspect of nudity ... are there 100's of nudists going around slapping people with their boobs or penises? Does a person that visits a club, resort or other nudist venue have to be put on medication after the visit because it "harmed" them mentally? I think NOT in all cases and people use the word "harm" in place of words like being ... "uncomfortable", "embarrassed", "unsure", "fearful" ... it's like a catch phrase to get people's attention off of their inability to cope with life and their immaturity. Social nudity doesn't "harm" anyone. People aren't institutionalized because they saw a naked person talking to another naked person, or lots of naked people talking and being social with one another. Those that say that ... need to show me proof of the increase patient load at the local hospitals after all the Naked Bike Rides and data on the increase of mental meds being prescribed. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 15, 2012 |
Sure ... I'm willing. Time and day: weeknights after dinner ... or weekdays before 4:40p PST ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 15, 2012 |
We've been entertaining nudist friends this weekend. They don't get near as much naked time as we do so we prept for their arrival and got everything we needed to minimize having to get dressed and go out. Since Friday afternoon, we've been naked and cooking our meals ... three squares a day! Got in some BBQing as well. Not really anything earth shattering ... we cook nude everyday. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 15, 2012 |
This morning ... the Prof left for work. Our friends got up and gave her a hug good bye. We will all see each other in January at our annual getaway in PS ... or maybe ... Lake Havasu! Our weekend with nudist friends was awesome. Lots of fun and laughs, catching up on each other's families, sunning, hot tubbing and too much eating! hahaha Good friends, good food, good wine ... good times and an all naked weekend. Doesn't get much better. Now the prep to take them to the airport. They are on their way home today. Driving them naked to the airport, slipping on the shorts and shirt when we get curbside for a hug goodbye, then shirt and shorts off again for the ride home! He'd partake but is wearing WAY too many clothes! hahahaha ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 14, 2012 |
hahahahaha ... I love your Dad's attitude Dawn! He may have been answering in a "smart ass" kinda way but he was right. Just because we are naked, doesn't make us indecent. I'm glad he said what he did and maybe that neighbor went home, afterwards, and thought about the context of what was said. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 11, 2012 |
I've had the JW women come to my door twice since in the last few months. Since I'm always nude at home and sometimes on the computer, I can see them come to the front door. I will either not answer the door or ... like the last two times, I will go to the door and say ... "I'm not wearing clothes, do you still want to talk to me?" They leave ... quickly. If ... I were to open the door and greet them without telling them, I might consider that exhibitionism only because ... even though this is my castle and I'm the King of my castle and I decide what I want to wear and not wear within my castle, I don't think I should "force" my nudity on some unsuspecting textile just to make a point that I'm a nudist and this is how I live. Obviously if I lived in a nudist community, these people would not even visit but if they are in, what is assumed to be, a textile community, then they should not be subjected to "shock" nudity to make a point. I make my point by stating ... "I'm not wearing clothes, do you still want to talk to me?" Or ... just don't answer the door! I can be comfortable in front of non nudists and be naked ... but usually am not because they are uncomfortable, I'm not. This has been a issue where we've had family and close friends over for a pool party and BBQ. Our kids and grandkids and all their friends know we are nudists. When those people leave that might be completely uncomfortable with nudity, it is often announced that getting "comfortable" is now allowed. Most times ... no one takes advantage. When that happens, I sense some are a bit uncomfortable and I'll remain dressed. But ... on occasion, friends and family start out with topless swimming and if they go to that level, I'll get naked and my grandson follows suit within seconds ... the rest follow in a short time, but this is not the norm, even though it is not only allowed here but encouraged. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 11, 2012 |
Then in my opinion ... you're not using your brain and you're making you assumptions based on political views, attitudes and affiliations and NOT on fact. :( | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 11, 2012 |
I don't want this to get into a political debate but ... how can you say, what you think, VP Al Gore was thinking when he said what he said? Do you really believe he was telling children, when speaking on environmental issues, that those children were "smarter" about everything, than their parents ... or was he saying that kids nowadays are smarter about the environment? They didn't learn that for themselves, they'd been taught and have three teachers in this "immediate family," two that teach elementary and middle school... it was taught in the classroom and then the kids took those teachings home. Politics plays to large a role in education. We shouldn't always bring "politics" into a discussion and speak of things we "think" we know about what someone said ... just to make a point, politically. :) You've both said it right, in my opinion, parents stopped parenting and left it up to the teachers. With all that parenting going on in school, when does a teacher have time and enough time to teach? I'm tired of the mudslinging that goes on in the media, newspapers, at the coffee shop ... "my kids teacher is bad." But when told why their child is not doing well, it's not the kids fault ... it's the teach and the school system. Teachers have little control over how to teach and what to teach anymore. When they see a problem and know they can fix it by teaching something a certain way, they are reprimanded for not teaching within the "framework." Education comes from the top down. It should start at the teacher and then go up ... but ... more politics. :( | |
| Absolute Naturists The Fight for Nudist Rights Has Begun! SIGN THIS PETITION TODAY! |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 10, 2012 |
Ahhhh ... Andy, You need to get your stories straight. The NAC is still fighting for San Onofre Beach. It was AANR that caused the fiasco ... NOT the NAC. This is not the issue of this topic. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 8, 2012 |
I like the scent of coconut oil, banana oils but we are currently using an oil with lavender. We used to get it from this little place that sold oils and various sented items for relaxation and massage, up on the central coast of CA but it closed down. Regretably ... we've not given each other massages in a while. My bad back can't take giving and it's not fair for me to receive and not reciprocate! LOL :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 8, 2012 |
I spent Saturday afternoon at my favorite "watering hole." I've begun wearing my "Live Naked" wrist band. It's similar to those yellow "Live Strong" wrist bands from Lance Armstrong but the Live Naked bands are almost clear. One of my favorite female bartenders, also a friend, noticed the band and saw the inscription and the questions started flying! I don't think I've EVER answer that many questions about nudism and social nudism to one person and for that long a time. She was REALLY interested. She wants to go to our club with me for a tour and get a feel for what we do and how we live. She's admitted to loving to be naked whenever she can, suns, swims and sleeps nude but ... "I'm no nudist!" I told her she's right and that with my help ... I'll set her mind straight! hahaha I had to constantly dispell the nudity = sex thing but I think she finally got it in the end and she's now trying to come up with a day that she can go with me and visit for a few hours. Cleared with the wife already! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 8, 2012 |
This past Saturday, I visited a local "watering hole" of mine, while my wife was attending a "ladies only" event for a family friend. I've become friends with one of the younger female bartenders and she happened to be working this Saturday for an even the bar/grill was having. It was a "Bikini Car Wash" being held for the widow of a recently fallen local Marine. Though I took my classic car, I didn't let them wash it but did give them a nice donation to the cause. This "friend" of mine saw me arrive, brought me my beer out to the patio area and sat with me. She stated that she didn't go on for a couple hours and was there just make sure things ran smoothly with the Car Wash. As we sat, she noticed my "Live Naked" wrist band I wear. She had asked me a couple of questions before noticing the wrist band and before I could answer her first two questions she asked ... "what's that mean ... live naked?" I said ... "hahaha...one question at a time." I began answering her first question but all she wanted to know about was what "live naked" meant. So I began to tell her. After explaining and trying to dispell all the misconceptions of nudism/naturism, she said ... "I want to go but not alone, will you go with me?" I had to think on that one for a little bit. I would definately tell my wife that this person is interested and that we could go together to take her or I will do it with her permission. Still have to talk to this friend a bit more but ... I may have not only convinced this young woman to give it a try and at least visit our club but ... the female owner of the bar/grill as well. The female owner and I have had conversations regarding nudity at home, nude sunbathing and swimming, which she readily admits to while she's at home but has never visited a nude club or resort. She's also expressed interest. I think the thing that impressed me and that I appreciated was that both women said they felt "safe" with me and wanted to visit with me or me and my wife. I try and give them all the answers to their questions but sometimes ... "seeing is believing" and it's better to see it for themselves. I may be taking one or two friends to the club shortly. After I do, I'll let you know how it went. But in keeping with the "topic" ... I wear my "Live Naked" wrist band (similar to the yellow "Live Strong" wrist band of Lance Armstrong). The Live Naked wrist band is almost clear. It has started many a conversation about Living Naked, nudism and where we go. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 8, 2012 |
I'd say you were "minimally clad" at the gas station! I found myself in a situation, several years ago, where I actually forgot to throw some clothes in my truck before I left the house. I drove over an hour to our old house and after a little while I needed something from the store. I found I didn't have any clothes AT ALL ... not even flip flops. I had to drive back to our new home but as I drove down our street enroute to the freeway ... I noticed I didn't have enough fuel to make it. I had to pump fuel into my truck naked at a local station. It was challenging but I got it done and was proud of my accomplishment. LOL :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 7, 2012 |
That's awesome Kayy! We've been to a couple of resorts in FL but haven't made it to Haulover yet. Have a great time! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 7, 2012 |
Nah ... you're not confused. I probably didn't explain myself. My wife occasionally will be naked in the truck with me but most times ... she wears a shirt, usually mine. She's still not convinced that her breasts will not be seen so I just leave it at that. She is quite a bit better at changing clothes in the truck. She used to contort herself into some painful positions trying not to be seen and finally, after she realized she couldn't be seen, she now just strips completely and then gets redressed for the occasion ... but still won't ride completely nude all the time. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 7, 2012 |
Sure ... even had "nudists" say they don't agree with what I'm doing, called me an exhibionist and state that what I was doing was NOT nudism. To all of them ... I said ... "BS!" To the non nudists ... they don't get what we do anyway, so when they hear of us doing something that is quite normal (driving) and we do it nude ... to them it is wierd and bizarre. In the beginning, my wife was afraid that I might be seen and asked if I would drive naked only at night. After I showed her how difficult it was to see inside my truck with dark tinted windows ... she now says ... "is there something wrong? You've got clothes on while you're driving." She's even partaken and ... likes being semi naked in the motorhome ... more than my truck! It's not wierd or bizarre. It is wierd and bizarre for nudists to think that way and to critisize others that simply enjoy "extending" their nudism beyond the inside of their home and the confines of a gated nudist club or resort. It is normal for non nudists to see, whatever we do, as wierd and bizarre. | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 6, 2012 |
This is true ... except that in three cases, personally, I did not forget it and continued to educate. I garnered us, nudists, three more young couples that have tried it and occasionally live it. Are they nudists in the same sense as many of us ... no, but they at least are trying it and have even visited nude beaches and resorts. So ... in most cases, I will admit, it's hardly worth the time and breath but in some cases ... it can work and work to our benefit in growing the lifestyle. :D I'm hoping to send a couple of the younger couples your way CO HOME!! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 6, 2012 |
Okay ... back on track. What is nudism/naturism? In the beginning it was about a healthy, well toned body, clean living and healthy eating. Nude Beauty Pagents were held and documented in early magazines. Time has changed and mindsets and philosophies have changed. You can't paddle your kids behind anymore without fear of the cops or dept. of child services being called. The younger generation used to show respect to elders they didn't know, nowadays ... they think they are their equal. Technology has changed. Kids texting each other instead of talking with one another. Everyone's in a hurry and need, what they want, yesterday ... that includes food on the go. And ... ya know what? ALL this includes the very people, the older generation, that is doing the complaining about the younger generation. "I didn't do that", "I wasn't brought up that way," "that's not the way we used to do that," "back in the ol' days..." sorry folks, those "days" are OVER and we let them slip away because we were too whimpy to fight to keep those "mindsets and philosophies." Think about the way you were raised, how you raised your kids and how your grandchildren are being raised ... if you don't see a dramatic difference ... you're foolin' yourselves ... and you bought into it! Nudism isn't full of obese people, it's not made up of "cool" people, nudists aren't the friendliest people, ALL these people were already obese, cool, friendly and became nudists. There are jerks, idiots, bigots, racists, diveats, perverts ... also within our ranks and we are afraid to admit it ... sometimes. Am I more offended by an obese person standing over me than I am a well toned hard body standing over me? I'd probably not be offended by either as long as I knew their intentions. Just as an example of SB's incident: Is it less offensive to have a 300+ lb, nice, friendly guy standing over you wanting to be friends and ask you questions regarding ... whatever, or a well toned, young guy standing over you with his genitals within a foot or two from your face wanting more than friendship!? WHAT is/was the intent of the person standing over you, sitting next to you, taking a route by you? The intent of many a nudist/naturist, young, old, overweight, toned/trim, skinny or obese is always up for interpretation from your mind to theirs and even here on these sites, topics and pages of posts ... intent and interpretation gets murky. I get the OP's intent of his inquiry. It boils down to aesthetics, what's pleasing to our eye and what is not. If a well toned, weight proportioned man or woman is seen eating a double cheeseburger, fries and chocolate shake ... no one thinks about whether or not they are eating healthy. But if an overweight, obese person does the same, they are looked upon quite differently, with disgust, annoyance and bigotry. It's not fair, it's certainly not what "WE" as nudists/naturists have had as a mindset and philosophy for quite sometime. Those ol' days are over and for this nudist, it's truly become about acceptance of all and not just those physically pleasing to the eye. So ... where do we begin and where do we stop? Obese people ... OUT! Tatted people ... OUT! Pierced people ... OUT! People with red hair, black hair, brown hair, NO hair ... OUT! Women with augmented breasts ... OUT! People of color (hell ... they don't need a tan anyway) ... OUT! Conservatives (they claim to be conservative but like to be naked ... hmmmm) OUT! Liberals (all they want to do is give things away) OUT! How much or how little pubic hair one sports (who makes that ruling?) OUT ... depending on amount, length and/or shape! Generalized statements are always a bad idea and get you into a corner you can't get out of. The best part of this lifestyle and what brought many of us into it was the acceptance of others, their philosophies, their opinions and their differences. Who makes the decisions on who and what defines a nudist we ALL want to look at and those we do not? As for the publications that post pics of overweight nudists ... where are the "skinny" nudists? Where are the "young" nudists? Why aren't their pictures in these publications??? Because they aren't comfortable enough in their own skin to have their pics taken or have them published. Older nudists that have lived the life they chose and suffered the consequences of a poor diet, inactivity for one reason or another, medical and physical ailments that kept them from exercise and inactivity are still those that are involved, voluteering to do what many of the "young, well toned, physically fit" people in nudism are unwilling to do. Do you actually think AANR, N magazine and many other nudist publications are singling out obese nudists to pose for pictures? They'd love nothing more than to show a true cross section of naturism ... BUT ... where are the young nudists, why won't they let their pictures be taken and published ... why aren't THEY involved and volunteering? Is the OP suggesting that there are young nudists just standing in line to have their pictures taken and be published in the naturist periodicals but the editors only want obese people? For me ... I want someone's who willing to get involved and contribute and from what I've seen from first hand experience and from what I see and read ... it's usually the overweight, obese, older, and confident nudist and very little from the well toned, young and those that are in this for aesthetics instead of substance. Apologies for the long post. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 4, 2012 |
Do you mean Angelina Joli ?? :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 4, 2012 |
Nudony, We've bantered on several topics and not agreed on too many. That's okay ... even my Wing Woman ( SB) ... or maybe I'm "her" Wing Man ... hehehe don't agree on everything. The point is ... this lifestyle, for some, is still about asthetics and exterior beauty and that's not what we preach to everyone that asks about it and that's not what many of us believe. If Salma is on the pool deck and thinks as you do ... she won't give me the time of day. But if Kirstie is on the pool deck and I initiate a conversation, she'll probably talk to me til my ears fall off. There's more to beauty than the exterior. I've known many a exterior beautiful women that were the ugliest people I've ever met. I bet I can say with enough fact that many obese people don't appear friendly because of the way people treat them or ignore them ... in mainstream society and within the nudist community. You made mention of your size, weight and your Spartan physique ... why was that so important? In my opinion, because that's where your head is at times and it's contradictory of what I've read from you before. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 4, 2012 |
hahaha ... and I'm envious of you Josh and the number of times you get down to Blacks! I need to get down there! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 4, 2012 |
She partook most of the time but ... come on, not through the Drive Thru! That's pushing it and we don't do that. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 4, 2012 |
Hmmmmm ... so do some of you go to nudist venues to look and enjoy bodies... or do you go to nudist venues to enjoy the freedom of naturism? "Nobody enjoys seeing the Michelin Man or Woman walking down the beach..." seems pretty shallow. We have a very close nudist friend, in fact, she and her husband are coming next weekend to stay for a few days. He body type is of that you describe. She walks around the house and our backyard naked from the time they put their suitcases down ... because we don't judge her on her appearance but her mind, soul and heart. She does have medical conditions but ... how did we know that? When we met, we didn't ask her ... "do you have a medical condition that causes you to be obese?" She won our hearts and friendship because of the person she is ... NOT what she looks like. We found out much later ... a couple years later that she has medical and physical issues that preclude her from strainuous exercise ... and she eats like a freakin' bird! How do you know what condition these obese people have? I've stated that I'm no advocate for obesity and that I've seen some of the more obese people at our club eat what they shouldn't BUT ... as you stated, it's their choice. I don't judge because in all honesty, "they" were the first ones to accept me as a single when I visited the club. They were friendlier than the "skinny" residents and members. THAT's what I look for and enjoy ... not enjoying watching someone saunder down the beach or pool deck. I'm not accusing you of doing such but ... it seems strange for someone that has preached acceptance in many other posts, to now focus on a nudists physical appearance, rather than who they are, in your last post. Your Spartan physique is due to you "freight train" metabolism, isn't it possible that some of these obese people have the metabolism of a "row boat?" Is it possible that these people have tried diets and eveything short of surgery to lose weight but either find it deflating, long and see almost no results ... that they give up? Is that wrong? Is that not human nature? Is it not something that we've all done? How many physically fit nudists wanted to be millionaires? When you didn't attain it ... did you settle into a job that made you enough to enjoy life? You made that choice ... just as these people have made theirs. It doesn't make them a bad person and they are cetainly not saundering on the beach or pool deck for anyone's "enjoyment" except their own. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 3, 2012 |
This past weekend, we spent with friends in Lake Havasu. We stayed at another friends vacation home. They couldn't make it but offered the use of their place while our friends from the PNW were on vacation in AZ. Once their plans were made, they called and asked if we could drive to LH and stay with them for the weekend. We cleared our calendar and started counting the days. My wife got off work on Thursday and we packed the truck. Once inside the truck, I got comfy and looked forward to the long (5+) naked drive. We drove through a Jack in the Box for dinner and then drove a bit more to a gas station we normally stop to fuel up. I pick this station because it's on a deserted intersection and the fuel pump I use is off to one side and it's easy to fuel up naked. As luck would have it ... it was later in the evening, the attendant was on his cell phone and I jumped out and began fueling up the truck. Not want to tempt fate, I sat back in the truck with my wife but kept the door open. The nozzle clicked, I got out and finish filling up and off we went for another couple hours of driving to LH. We arrived in LH around 9p. I drove up the driveway and parked. I started to get out of the truck and my wife says ... "you're going to go to the door naked?" I said ... "yeah!" Before I could get to the door, we heard our friends call out from the backyard gate. I walked around the front of the truck and they saw that I was naked. They both laughed and then came to the front door ... both of them naked. I thought they'd just hold the door open for us as we started to unload but they came out of the house and hugged us and then helped us unload! Obviously no one saw us or if they did ... no one cared ... or they enjoyed the show! LOL Spent a great naked weekend with friends and then it was time to leave. I loaded the truck naked and then we were off. I had to slip on some shorts to fuel up again but it was only for a few minutes. Another trip through a Drive Thru for something to drink and then off on the 5 hr drive home. There was a sign for a scenic view on the way home and I decided I wanted to see what it was all about. We got out on this dirt road and drove for about 2 miles. NO ONE else out there so we got out and looked around, took some pictures and then got back in the truck to head back to the main road. The upside is that I think my wife enjoyed the naked 4x4 ing we had done and I could see the gears in her mind turning, thinking about our 4x4 excursions in Death Valley and how fun it would be to do some of them naked ... just too dang hot right now! We got home and I got the truck close enough to the house and garage door that we jumped out and started to unload. The street was dead, the houses across the street all had their shutters closed ... so I unloaded naked! All in all ... I think we had clothes on for about an hour from Thursday afternoon til Monday morning when she went to work and I had to go out and run some errands! I really don't know why but my wife seems to be more comfortable, less dressed and covered in the motorhome then in my truck. She said ... "maybe we need to bring the motorhome each time!" I'd love to share this with her but that motorhome gets 8-10 miles per gallon and my truck get 18. I think we'll be taking the truck instead! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 3, 2012 |
It all depends on the inside temperature of the place where I'm sleeping. My wife will always have, at least, a sheet over her. If it's warm inside the place where we are sleeping ...I won't use anything. This past weekend, we were staying at some friend's vacation home in Lake Havasu. We were having trouble figuring out the A/C and swamp cooler and our first night was a warm one (inside). So warm ... we both slept on the sheet and didn't cover up til almost 3am when the temp outside was cooler than inside. I woke up and opened the window about 2am and with the ceiling fan going at Warp Speed ... it finally got comfortable enough to doze off. We finally got the swamp cooler working correctly and then we slept with a sheet the rest of the weekend. At home, we keep the A/C on during the summer months and even in the early fall. The high's this week have been between 102 and 104. With the house A/C set at 78 degrees and the ceiling fan going ... it cools down enough that we use a sheet. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 3, 2012 |
The latest info I found was a trip report from sometime in '07. The writer wrote of abandoned buildings, overgrown activity areas, amenities not open or in use and ... very little nudity. That's too bad. Good concept but ... if you build it, they need to come, and it seems, from his report, that not many went. | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 2, 2012 |
Condescending????? You need a course in reading comprehension! LOL It's too bad Armadillo gets ridiculed for being skinny. Sorry the people at YOUR club are that narrow-minded but because they are ... EVERY club and nudist venue must be the same way. Hmmmmm ... I think not. There have been many a young nudist here that have argued "their" points but ... what they haven't done is understood the points of those that are over 40! They want a "party" atmosphere, video games and someone else to organize them and provide activities for them. It's no different in the textile community. Those youngsters don't want to be patient, work for anything or do anything ... they want it all and they want it now. Good luck...cuz the generation your bucking ... had to do just that; be patient, work for what they got and got it by doing it themselves and getting involved. They want change ... I tell them to get off their skinny, athletic butts and get involved! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 2, 2012 |
Percentages??? ... nudists/naturists are a microcosm of society and the obesity rates/percentages are the same. Because there are less nudists ... you'll see MORE obese people in a smaller sampling of society. You should know that! If the nudist community rate of obese people is 50% ... then as a country ... our obese rate is also 50%! Young nudist need to get over themselves. This lifestyle isn't about them. It's about living in a society within a society. For young, slim, energetic people who "like" to be nude ... doesn't necessarily make them "nudists/naturists." It's the mentality and philosophy they don't buy into because they don't want to see "granma naked." I hardly think you get as much ridicule for being skinny as those that are obese. I'm NOT an advocate for obesity and it is out of control in our country but...like many things with life and with nudism, we have choices and some people chose to be obese. I don't make my decision to be cordial or friendly based on weight and appearance. If THAT's what the younger people are doing and want. I don't want them! When the younger generation realizes that they too will grow older and not ALWAYS maintain their "athletic" appearances ... they will learn what life is about. The "older" people haven't forgotten what's it was like to be young. The younger people have never been taught tolerance and respect! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Oct 1, 2012 |
I'm gonna disagree. The demographic may be correct and obesity may be something that's more noticible because everyone is naked ... BUT ... the entire country is facing the fact that many people, even kids ... are obese and more so here in this country. So ... to single out "nudists" is not truthful. The fact that "younger" people don't want to look at "granma naked" is to put a truthful face on youth and what they expect to see when looking at someone naked ... what they are fed daily by magazines, TV and movies. If you're that put off by looking at granma naked ... best take a break from nudist venues cuz your head's not in the right place. As for AANR and who and what they post in the Bulletin. EVER THINK that those are the ONLY people that are willing to have their pictures taken while they are nude and have the organization post them in a publication??? It's a comfort thing, a confidence thing ... a mature thing that younger nudist seem to have little or none of either. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 27, 2012 |
The Prof and I are getting together with close nudist friends for this weekend. We've been friends for almost 10 years! We met at the Terra Cotta Inn and we are meeting a another nudist friends home for the weekend to catch up, have some beverages, BBQ, hang out by the pool and spend some quality time just being plain nudists! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 27, 2012 |
Well... we are going to do two of our favorite outdoor things in the nude ... very shortly. Meeting some close nudist friends for the weekend. It will be warm enough to spend lots of outdoor time around the pool with some frosty beverages! Naked weekend with close friends ... here we come!!! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 27, 2012 |
The "older" generation is quite conservative and set in their ways. It's difficult to get them to even talk about subjects they are uncomfortable with. The easiest way to break the news is to be honest and upfront. "Dad, ... I need to talk to you about something that's important to me. I need you to be open minded and not judge and let me speak before you cast judgment. Will you do that for me?" Hopefully, he'll respond positively and listen to what you have to say. You'll have to have done your homework so that you'll have postive answers to his questions about the lifestyle and what it really means. He's probably already has preconceived ideas of what we are about and you'll need to dispell those. Good luck. FP | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 27, 2012 |
Really ... the textile cruises we've been on ... Royal Caribbean and Carnival ... all four ships, different ships for each line, the verandah's were private enough. We were naked out on them quite a bit. What may have been an issue; is if the people next to you leaned way out over the railing and then looked back but they'd have to be up against the privacy wall between verandahs. We'll have to look into a Disney cruise. As soon as the youngest grandson is a couple years older. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 26, 2012 |
Naked Airlines ... "the only way to fly!" :D (stole Western Airlines tag line! ;) ) | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 25, 2012 |
My wife and I spent the day at our club several months ago and saw a woman that we knew from PTA!!! She tried, in vane, to not be noticed but we saw her, smiled and waved. She never came over to us to say hello but she was noticibly uncomfortable knowing someone from her past and from the school our kids went to. Sometimes I think some of these people that still get freaked ... are in this lifestyle for fun, sexual draw or recreation and not as a way of life, like many of us, so they still can't deal with anyone from the "outside" knowing they do it. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 25, 2012 |
I got a friend, actually he was my boss when we were both working, that sends me all kinds of "guy stuff" emails. He knows we are nudists so he's always sending me links from DailyMotion. Recently, he sent a couple of Pizza Delivery videos where young women surprise the pizza delivery guy buy answering the door naked or with a towel on that they "accidently" drop. It's the "guy" delivery person and female customer but ... if it were a "female" delivery person and a guy answering the door naked ... chances are that the female delivery person would NOT react like the guy delivery person with a naked female. I'm sure the UPS guy wouldn't mind the Prof answering the door naked but probably wouldn't think it was cool that I did. I have thought about answering the door in the nude but hidden behind the door until the UPS, USPS or person at the door says ... "it's okay, that doesn't bother me"... but I haven't and not sure I ever will. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 25, 2012 |
Mostly likely another long weekend at our club and then a weekend down south at another club to do some naked hiking when the temps cool down. We have a few weekend Nakations with nudist friends coming up. We are visiting nudist friends in Havasu, Az and then some nudist friends are visiting us for the weekend in a couple weeks. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 25, 2012 |
My opening line is usually ... "it's wholesome family living. It's mostly like everyone else's life, we just don't wear clothes when we don't have to." Then ... that's when "THEY" begin to ask the stupid questions regarding the sexual aspects. I will reiterate ... "it's "wholesome" family living!!! It's a lifestyle that I've introduced my children and grandchildren to and they love it!" If the conversation continues in the negative, which it has, I tell them that I would love to talk to them seriously and honestly about our lifestyle but they first need to get their minds outta the gutter and agree to listen to my honest answers. They either don't want to talk about it anymore or ... they shut up and listen! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 25, 2012 |
I think what most of us seem to be experiencing is that one of us, in the relationship, is either; the only one that's a nudist, the more open of the two, the more committed of the two, and possibly the Absolute Naturist of the two. Though my wife is a "committed" nudist, she's not nearly as open as I am and can get nervous when I get "chatty" and "open" about our lifestyle. She is a "private" person by nature. In certain circumstances, she will wear "nudist slogan" clothing but not anywhere near as much as I do. If someone said something negative regarding nudism or nudists, she'd speak up and set them straight but she's not open to start a conversation when the door is opened. I think when you have certain circumstances where both in the relationship are 100% committed, open and live in a nudist environment full time ... it gives them an edge that some of the others don't have. I wish I had the latter two things in that last sentence. I'm open, she's not and we still don't live in a nudist environment, such as a club or resort where family and friends "know" that's where we live and expect us to be naked when they come to visit. I understand and agree with SB's convictions ... I just can't fulfill ALL of mine ... currently! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 24, 2012 |
On the contrary Mr. Rabbit. Though I do not know exactly how SB feels, I always read that she waits to give her opinion, on the topics she posts, so that she does NOT give the impression that she's trying to sway the discussion in her opinion's direction. She's ALWAYS waited to give her opinion til later in the topic so it gives others the ability to speak their minds and opinions without fear of being swayed by the "moderator." There have been discussions where many of us haven't seen eye to eye ... and there have been heated discussions on each others opinions but ... no one's ever been told they can't have an opinion or post it ... no matter how screwed up it is! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 24, 2012 |
Ya know C O ... there's a lot to be said and learned from that article that could apply to a reluctant spouse. There are many times I've given an opinion or advice that "communication" with the reluctant partner be open and honest and this article touches on this quite a bit. Thanks for posting the link! ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists A Nudist's Home is a Nudist's Castle...maybe. |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 23, 2012 |
In a word ... Yes, "A Nudist Home is a Nudist's Castle" ... sometimes! LOL We have family, friends, close friends, aquaintances and visitiors, come to our home periodically. Some family is comfortable with our nudity and we can and are nude at times. Neither of our families are comfortable with nudity so we dress so not to make them feel uncomfortable. We have friends and close friends that are either non nudists or nudists. Obviously, we can and are nude with our nudist friends but not with our non nudist friends. We've had financial advisors, notaries, contractors come to our home to speak to us and we are dressed during those times. I think ... the general public, family and friends expect a certain ... conformity when they visit your home and you don't live within a nudist environment such as a club or resort. If we did live within one of these communities, we'd have no reason to dress ever. But because we don't, I think many people just don't expect for nudists to remain nude when non nudists visit. I'd obviously rather live within the same nudist environment where I never had to wear clothes and those visiting knew up front the environment they were entering and wouldn't be shocked to see me answer the door naked and remain naked throughout their visit ... but til that happens, our "Nudist Castle" will bow to our non nudist visitors uncomfortable nature with our nudity. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 22, 2012 |
It's being discussed within our family but no plans yet. We've been on only textile cruises and even though the ability to be nude was confined to our stateroom, we did purchase a stateroom with a balcony for the last two textile cruises and spent lots of naked time on it. Morning coffee, later afternoon sunning and just sitting and having a drink in the late afternoons and evenings. We love cruises and we love being naked but textile cruises don't give you many opportunities so you have to make your own. A couple of the ships we were on had an "adults only" deck and there were topless ladies. Two couples, friends, arranged unused lounge chairs to block them off and they were sunning nude. We were on that cruise with textile friends and so we decided not to partake in that deck until we are on a cruise alone or with other nudist friends. | |
| RV'ing/Camping Nudists Naked Camping plans for 2012 |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 19, 2012 |
It really is! We took clothes to get out of the motorhome and go into the market before we arrived at the club. We both took a long sleeve t shirt just in case it got cool at night. We also took a few sarongs/pareos with us to sit on in the evenings at the rec. center (easier than towels). We put the clothes on to go into the market, kept them on for about 3 mins for the drive to the club gate. Got out and checked in. Got back in the motorhome and took them off and didn't put any clothes on at all for 3.5 days ... until we arrived home and had to get out of the motorhome to unpack. My wife commented that, besides the obvious, the best part of naked anything is that there is minimal washing that needs to be done! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 19, 2012 |
I drive naked so often I really need to remember when I have others in the car with me. Especially during these warmer times of the year, I almost always wear shorts, t shirt and flip flops. The vehicle I drive nude, most of the time, is parked on the street or in the driveway, so I usually have to slip on the shorts to get from the garage to the vehicle but once inside the vehicle, I immediately slip them off and place them on the seat next to me. I've had family and friends in the vehicle with me, dressed as I stated above and began to lift my butt off the seat to slip off my shorts when I remember ... there are others in the car besides myself and my wife. I was caught a few times and asked what I was about to do and luckily ... we always have towels for the front seats and I just say ... I'm adjusting my towel. We've been asked about the towels and we just say it's to save the upholstery from wear and tear. ;) | |
| RV'ing/Camping Nudists Naked Camping plans for 2012 |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 19, 2012 |
We took the motorhome out again for a tailgate party with family and their friends, last weekend. It was a great time but camping naked is an addiction, just like living naked. When you can't do it ... it just doesn't feel the same. My wife and I commented on the day trip after we got home, all the guests went home and we changed our clothes into our minimal clothes to unload the motorhome and clean it up a bit before closing it up for the night. We talked about how much easier, comfortable and fun it is to camp naked and wished we could have tailgated that way. I think our plans for another naked camping trip will happen sooner than later. We both enjoyed our last trip so much with the exception of the extreme heat (108). Now that it's cooling off, I think she'll be up for another weekend getaway to the club and more naked camping. ;) | |
| So. Cal Nudists in a Textile World minimally clad in a textile world |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 18, 2012 |
I have a pair of mesh shorts I bought a few years ago ... to take the trash cans out to the curb in the late evenings. As time passed ... I've worn these shorts on many occasions while out in the front of the house in view of our neighbors. On several occasions, I've been caught out front by people walking their dogs, walking for exercise, moving our cars around, working on our motorhome, watering the lawn and no one has said anything to me nor have the cops come knocking on my door. I've worn these shorts at the gas station but have not and probably will not wear them to a store or market. I think they are okay for out front of my home and even at the gas station where I can pick a pump away from others but to wear those in a store or market is kinda putting it right in their faces and I'm certain I'd be visited by the cops after that! hahaha ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Winter Nudity... what do you do? |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 17, 2012 |
hahaha...that's exactly what our friends in WA say ... and they head here for winter! ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Are you different when nude? |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 17, 2012 |
Most ... DEFINATELY! Just ask the Prof. If I'm "in a mood" ... she'll say ... "we need to get you home so you can take your clothes off!" I get irritable when I'm dressed too long. I can take it for a while but ... I've got my mind on when we can leave, get in the car and start loosening or stripping off he duds! ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Winter Nudity... what do you do? |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 17, 2012 |
Believe it or not ... it rains and gets cold in Southern California! When it does, where we live, we check the weather in Palm Springs. It's usually 12-15 degrees warmer and most times the sun shines when it's raining or cloudy and cold here. When it's raining and cold in PS ... we do the same as others with more severe winter temps ... turn the heat up, switch on the fire place (yes ... switch it on! We don't have a wood burning fireplace anymore ... damn new homes! LOL) The hot tub gets used quite a bit more, as does the fire ring out back. I will usually open an umbrella over the gas fire ring and it contains the heat so we've sat out back in the low 50's sipping hot drinks, robes, open robes ... NO robes! ;) | |
| Yard and Gardening Nudists backyard privacy |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 8, 2012 |
My wife and I visit the Terra Cotta Inn, in Palms Springs quite frequently. While there, we will take morning walks before it gets too hot. While on our walks, we have come across some beautiful landscaped yards and notice the hedges, bushes and trees people have planted for privacy. We've stopped numerous times to ask about the type of plants, how much water they need, how fast they grow and have taken that information and purchased and planted a few of those plants/trees into our backyard for privacy. Though Palm Springs gets warmer and has less rain than we get, we still live in a dryer climate and need plants that are dought tolerant and will still grow with minimal water. The one problem I seem to have is that the "dripline" system doesn't provide enough water to many of these plants for them to grow at the pace we were told and what we need to give us the ultimate privacy we want. I am currently hand watering ... and by the way ... doing it in the nude! ;) We also have a view of the surrounding hills and do not want to obstruct that view ... just the view of the several two story homes across and down the street that may have a view of our backyard. We, currently, only have one next door neighbor. In the past we've always had two, one on each side. We bought this house purposely for that reason and until our previous owner sold his home ... we didn't have a problem with backyard nudity. He was fine with it but we are unsure about the new neighbors...yet. They "tolerant" and accomodating. They have one window that looks directly down onto our backyard. For months they had the shutter blinds open but I suspect they got tired of seeing us naked or wanted to give us the privacy we deserve ... so they closed those shutters. We need to go over and give them some cookies and say ... Thanks!" LOL We need to go over and just talk to them1 ;) I'll post the names of the plants/trees we're using so you can look them up and see if they fit your needs, but I have to ask our landscaper what they are called! LOL :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 7, 2012 |
Our previous "next door" neighbor sold his home to others, so we now have "new" neighbors. They seem nice but we've not met them yet ... sad, I know! For over 38 years of owning 3 homes and being naked in the backyards of all of them ... I can honestly say that none of our neighbors have had an issue with our nudity. Our last neighbor ... stood at the fence several times with me and talked for 15-20 mins at a time, me naked and him not caring. Maybe it helped that he was a minister! LOL This afternoon, the outside temp in our city is ... HOT! I decided to give a few of our trees a little extra water. I've been moving the garden hose from tree to tree and our neighbors across the street saw me do this while I was naked. I truly believe because I just go about my business and don't flaunt my nudity "in their faces", they don't care about it or concern themselves with it. I think that neighbors who have a view of their neighbors backyards need to understand that they may encounter things back there that they may not agree with but unless it's lewd, dangerous or illegal ... they should either refrain from looking into their neighbors yards or close the blinds. I know our new neighbors have seen us naked in the backyard. They just closed the shutters on the only window with a view of our yard. Either they are embarrassed, disgusted or ... giving us the privacy we deserve! ;) | |
| nude driving There are others? |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 7, 2012 |
I think there are plenty of "others" that drive nude but shy away from posting their stories or experiences because of the very few, vocal, anti-driving nude nudists and their claims that driving nude is more exhibitionist than nudist. There are numerous activitites, both common daily and recreational where simply being nude is ... normal. I've gone to the mailbox in an open robe, I've changed the sprinkler in the front yard in sheer mesh shorts and even naked. I do almost everything in our backyard naked and ... yes, I also drive naked. In all of these instances, I am aware of my surroundings and ensure that even though I'm taking a chance on being seen ... it is NOT my intent to be seen. I take many precautions so's not to be seen. Many of those things I posted are done very late at night or with reasonable cover to minimize the possibility of being seen. This afternoon ... I was watering the trees in our backyard. I was of course naked and moving the hose from tree to tree. Our neighbors across the street have a slight view of our side yard and partial backyard but it is very minimal. They saw me moving the hose to another tree. I didn't prolong my position so they could see me for any longer than a second or two. Driving nude is equally treated the same way with us. I've taken the precautions to dark tint my truck windows. The truck is high profile and even though I've tested the possibility of being seen over and over again ... I still keep a pair of shorts close by to cover my lap ... this is NOT being an exhibitionist! The argument that this activity or part of our nudist life, is exhibitionist has puzzled me for some time. There are those that tell stories or relate experiences where there is a undertone of exhibitionism but for the most part, many of us that simply drive naked for the extended freedom we feel, could care less if anyone sees us and for exhibitionists ... it's all about the other person seeing you. That's not what many of us are trying to do when we drive naked. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 5, 2012 |
I think driving nude in a convertible would be awesome ... and we owned a convertible for 6 years but I never drove that one naked with the top down. I would have to say that I wouldn't drive a convertible naked with the top down in broad daylight. Top down, naked ... at night on some road/roads where I have little chance of encountering anyone ... maybe but the reason I drive naked and drive naked so often is because of the high profile truck, with dark tinted windows ... I drive. Even my wife's car, which is a SUV with tinted windows, but not as dark as my trucks windows ... I drive naked only at night. Even though my truck gives me the ability to drive naked and not be seen ... I still keep my shorts handy and if for any reason I suspect I "might" be seen, I grab my shorts and put them on my lap. I don't have to be completely covered or even have the shorts on. As long as my genitals are covered ... I could care less if they see my bare thigh! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 5, 2012 |
We couldn't find a place that wouldn't have heartburn over developing our nude pics so ... we just bought a photo printer for our cameras. We used it for a few years, still a good printer but ended up buying new computers, a new printer, scanner, copier, fax combo so the small photo printer is no longer in use. I asked the same question a couple years ago and thought about taking our scan disk to Kinko's and use the Sony Picture Perfect machines but someone stated that all those photos on the Scan Disk on saved on the machine's hard drive? Don't take any photos to WalMart! It's not worth the trouble or risk. Not sure about Costco ... haven't taken any to them but they did print some pics of our grandkids sitting at their play table, in the nude, after their shower ... so maybe they don't care or didn't see them. Anymore ... I just use the new printer and print the ones we want to put in our photo albums. I, too, have several CD's of nude photos of us and our friends that I'd like to print and put scrap books together for us to share during our annual trip together but would also like to know if the "Kinko's" rumor is correct. Good luck! FP | |
| Absolute Naturists Social Nudity - A Civil Right or Civil Liberty? |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 5, 2012 |
I read definitions of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties and our rights and liberties as "naturists/nudists" can easily fall into either category BUT ... since mainstream society doesn't think like we do ... I think our Civil Rights and Liberties are trampled on by the way those in authority and in the majority think. If taken at face value and definition ... we should be able to be naked wherever we want. But simple nudity isn't an accepted way of life for many more people than there are of us. Even within our own community of naturists, there are probably many more of us nudists that don't want anyone knowing ... we're nudists! I wonder if the situation in the Castro District of San Francisco will have any baring on what's to come. If a community can coexist between textiles and nudists ... will other communities follow? More later on my thoughts ... ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists I love to be nude because.... |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 5, 2012 |
I love to be nude because ... clothes make me look fat! So ... being naked makes me look slimmer and younger. I need to relay that message to my aching back, knees and feet! LOL :D | |
| Clothing Optional Bed & Breakfasts Pet Friendly |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 5, 2012 |
If the pets were well behaved ... sure, we'd stay but we've found that many times the pet can rule the roost and then your relax time is not so relaxing. As I stated earlier, if the pet is allowed to jump up on you, lick you and become a mild pest ... then we'd probably consider not staying at "that" B&B again but then again ... if we really liked the place and the hosts ... we'd most likely overlook the pesty pet! LOL | |
| Absolute Naturists Whats the longest time you've been able to stay nude |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 4, 2012 |
Some of our fondest memories of boating were on Lake Powell and Lake Mohave. Houseboat trips with family and friends. Not "nude" houseboat trips but the Prof and I made it a point to get up early and take the rented runabout or the PWC's out just at sun up to ride the glass ... naked. We'd find a beach and stop, get off the boats and lay out our towels and then watch the sun rise in the air and the air temp rise as well! On one houseboat trip, we were gone for over 3 hours and spent the entire time naked on the runabout. We passed a ton of people already on the lake skiing and we got lots and lots of waves and thumbs up for cruise au naturel! We've talked many times about just she and I taking a nude houseboat trip but haven't done so yet. Nothing better than being naked on the water, on a boat! :D | |
| Absolute Naturists Whats the longest time you've been able to stay nude |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 4, 2012 |
Yeah SB ... I hear what you're saying. I never really think about it much ... because it's just a way of life for us here but there are plenty of days that I never leave the grounds and I'm nude all the time at home ... so one day becomes another and another and another. It's more evident that I "have to" slip something on when the Prof is working. I go back to the routine of running all the errands but when she's off we both can go for days without wearing anything and because we do that always ... we don't think about how long we've been nude. It is truly a mindset and become so much who we are that when I asked the Prof this question, she said ... "I'm naked 24/7 365 cuz in my mind, even though I'm wearing clothes, I'm still thinking naked!" ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 4, 2012 |
Think about it though ... the reason we drive nude is because we are "unsure" how legal or illegal it is, besides enjoying extending our nudity to doing something we do everyday, ... If it were common knowledge and legal and everyone drove naked ... we'd all return to driving like idiots! LMAO :D | |
| Nudist Club Trip Reports Bonny Doon |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 4, 2012 |
When I was in the Navy, in the early 70's, a shipmate and I stumbled onto Bonny Doon. With little else then a sleeping bag in the back of my '71 Chevy Vega station wagon, we ditched our plans for a day in Santa Cruz and spent it naked on this beach! What was so awesome was that there were many college students down there that were more than willing to be friendly and share their food and drink with two newbies. My friend visited only once but I returned many, many times and in those early times, even spent the night on the beach with these college students. Later, I took my wife up there to visit BD and it is one of her favorite nude beaches and we've visited a great many. I used to take the difficult trail in the early days but later, when we visited together, we took the longer sand trail. After visiting San Onofre Trail 6 ... the BD sand trail was a breeze! LOL ;) | |
| Nudist Club Trip Reports Pirates Cove - Pismo Beach, Calif. |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 4, 2012 |
The Prof and I have visited Pirates Cove on the way home from a stay up the coast. Spent a few hours and had a nice time. We did meet a few friendly people and one very grumpy one! We got to PC early enough and made the trek down the trail. It would be tough for either of us currently but it's doable. We made our way down the beach, saw another couple and I asked if we could share some sand with them. They responded with big smiles and "absolutely!" We sat and chatted for a short time and then an older guy walked down the beach, turned right for us and then stood about 5 ft from us and just stared for several seconds and then began grumbling and walked off in a huff. We looked at the other couple and they said ... "he usually puts his backpack and towel down right where you are, then leaves and goes down the beach, plays volleyball, drinks and hangs out down there ALL DAY and then comes back to get his backpack and towel to go home! Just ignore him!" :D The day of our stay, the beach seemed ... narrow but with little else up that way ... it's nice to have Pirates Cove so close to where we usually stay while on the Central Coast. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudist-Chicken or Nudist-Egg... which came first? |
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FireProf Posted: Sep 1, 2012 |
I guess doubling the words with nudist can be a good thing, if your looking "specifically" for others that enjoy doing things "naked" as you do ... such as nudist hiker, nudist snorkler, nudist diver, nudist boater, nudist runner, nudist biker ... I'm just a plain ol' nudist nudist! I try and do everything and anything I can nude but sometimes just can't. I happen to be a nudist that likes to run, boat, bike, hike, swim, snorkle, dive, drive, sun, travel, camp ... so I'm not going to call myself one or the other because I like being naked no matter what. I've read many a story of some that may not be naked at home, visit clubs or resorts but occasionally only the beaches, woods and hiking trails. I don't even know if they consider themselves nudists or naturists ... just that they prefer doing that specific activity in the nude, such as hiking. For me ... Nudist - Egg came first. Born naked and after being forced to wear clothes for several years ... took it upon myself to return to my roots! ;) | |
| Clothing Optional Bed & Breakfasts Pet Friendly |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 31, 2012 |
I don't have a problem with pets but my wife is not a real "pet" person. She likes them from a distance and both of us aren't real keen on others pets that like to climb all over you and lick your face. So ... if we were to visit a C O B&B and the hosts had pets, we'd hope that they would ask their guests prior to arriving how they felt about pets and we'd respond as I did in the first paragraph. If the hosts felt that their pets ruled the grounds ... then maybe we'd have to consider how badly we wanted to stay at that C O home. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudism...one size fits all? |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 31, 2012 |
I think it's obvious that there isn't a "one size fits all" for nudism. We have multiple "groups" of "types" within the nudist lifestyle. What I don't get and the reason for my initial post was ... "why is it that we have a problem with others that feel, "their", type of nudism isn't nudism or not considered part of nudism because "they" don't think the same way? There are "home" nudists, "social" nudists, "swinger" nudists, beach nudists, resort nudists, club nudists, going to the mailbox nude nudists, driving nudists ... the list is almost endless and yet ... we will have numerous posts against some of these things that ALL nudists do or don't do but because someone doesn't do something ... those that do, aren't really nudists ... does this make sense? Why can't we just accept them as "nudists" period and agree or disagree with what they might do or not do and leave it at that? This group was intended for Absolute Nudists. It had a reason, a specific demographic within the naturist community it was targeting. Why would someone come to this particular group and then either denounce or argue it's mantra!? It's not "their" kind of nudism ... fine, but it's our kind of nudism. I just got home and outta the sun after baking for the past several hours at our club. Wish we could have stayed longer ... great crowd but maybe my brains fried! LOL ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Should I should I not invite my ex GF? |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 29, 2012 |
Obviously ... there are those that are and are not interested in this lifestyle for a myriad of reasons. What I find distressing is when a husband or wife refuses to "talk" about what their spouse wants to discuss ... as if silence will make it all go away. I think it drives the wedge deeper. In my opinion, this lifestyle requires, demands ... constant communication between said parties, willing participants, reluctants and the totally unwilling. Those unwilling to discuss it AT ALL, should just be left alone about it. :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Children Raised As Nudist... Choice? |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 29, 2012 |
I think in the early stages of life ... children are given no choices. Almost all children want and need structure, rules and bounderies. They need to be taught many rights from wrongs ... but, in my opinion, going without clothes is neither right nor wrong. You need to teach your children how to live within the society we live in. IF given the choice and not "taught" to wear clothes, I doubt a child would ever wear clothes, with the exception of extreme cold. But since we fail to live in that type of society, being taught when and where you can and can not be nude is how children begin to establish an uncomfortable, embarrassing attitude toward being nude. Those children that grow up as nudists; we don't have enough data to support how well adjusted they are in comparison to weekend nudist children or textile children. At some point in these raised nudist children's life's, they are intermixed with textile children for social reasons as well as time at school, church, sporting events ... they can't be nude completely and entirely unless raised solely within the confines of a nudist community. When a child becomes old enough to begin asking questions, having concerns and voicing those concerns and their opinions, be it their own or influenced by peers, then I think parents need to begin listening to those concerns and opinions and dialog openly about ... choices. | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 27, 2012 |
Our daughter's continued involvement during their early years. I can't complain ... at least they revisited naturism later in life and are somewhat back into it. :) | |
| ASA Days JUNE LOEBER |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 27, 2012 |
Ya know what I love seeing with these vintage pictures ... the women's hair styles! Even while naked ... they were well coiffed! LOL
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| Absolute Naturists Nudism...one size fits all? |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 27, 2012 |
Nudony ... even though a small bit of what I was basing this topic on was the conversations we've had concerning naked driving, it was not the bulk of what prompted this thread. I'm on several sites and it seems like there's always some argument between nudists as to "what" is deemed "okay" and what isn't. Why one's opinion trumps another, why there is a wrong way and right way. YES ... obviously there are right and wrong ways in naturism and I'm not going to go into detail because I think, from all the posts, that everyone here is getting ... what I'm getting at! So ... let's keep the conversation going, appreciate the feedback and all your opinions. :D | |
| Absolute Naturists Whats the longest time you've been able to stay nude |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 27, 2012 |
I dream about those days! I guess I should count my blessings. At least the Prof is not only looking at perspective places but talking more about it each time we visit our club. I'm so jealous of the nudist boat life! ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudism...one size fits all? |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 27, 2012 |
I need to be clear here ... I have and will comment on topics and issues that will be perceived as "my way or the highway," in regards to Absolute Naturism, but when I comment, it's usually about "that" particular sub culture within the lifestyle. My opinions have always been that what works for me, may not work for you. What I do, you may not agree with, what my opinions are ... your's may vary slightly or drastically ... but I will never tell you that "your" nudist lifestyle is wrong or bad, that your opinions don't matter, or that I don't want to discuss anything with you because I think you're out in left field or bat from the left side or the plate or the right. Same goes for nudism: We all can't do what someone else is doing. I can't walk out my front door naked in broad daylight ... I want to but can't. I can be naked in my backyard 24/7 but some can't. I have my club 30 minutes down the freeway ... others are hours away. We do what we can and live as we can but ... the philosophy of this group is such that there's more to it then just the way you live. I wanted to make that clear. ;) Nudism isn't a one size fits all and whether or not we like it ... we are ALL categorized into some group and labeled whether we like it or not. I'm puzzled by those that hate to be labeled a nudist but don't mind being labeled a "doctor, lawyer, engineer, cop, fireman, nurse, CEO, CAO, comp. tech., father, mother, grandfather, grandmother, democrat, republican, Tea Partier, Independent, liberal, conservative ... there are all labels. If you don't consider yourself a "nudist", that's fine but those that don't mind being labeled a nudist/naturist shouldn't be chastised for not caring about the label ... by others that aren't nudits but... just like to be nude. This is where ... one size fits all doesn't work. We're all different. We are all different than our clothed counterparts. It's just amazing to me that we tend to be harder on ourselves, as a microcosm of society, then we should be. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudism...one size fits all? |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 27, 2012 |
I don't normally post new topics, that's one of SB's many strong suits, but I've been thinking about this a lot lately while reading many of the posts and replies and varied opinions on this lifestyle and thought ... why do "we" think there's a "one size fits all" nudist lifestyle. Opinions; they are like A holes, everyone's got one! Why do "we" denounce, trash or even argue with each other about the type of "nudism" each of us practices ... as though what we are doing is "not" nudism, is not what a "true nudist" would do or what others do that doesn't align with what I do. We have heated discussions on piercings, shaving, nude driving, nudity in public, nudity in view of neighbors, swingers ... the list goes on. We are all individuals and live and practice our lifestyle the way it fits us ... not everyone else, so why do "we", personally, think ... our size of nudism is the right size for everyone? :D | |
| Absolute Naturists Whats the longest time you've been able to stay nude |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 26, 2012 |
6-8 days. We were going to Club Orient each year and after the first two years, increased our stay from a week to 11-12 days. After we increased our stay, we would not leave the resort for that first week. We ate in or at the restaurant. The second week, we'd go out and explore the awesome food and restaurants the island had to offer. Since that time, we don't worry so much about "how long" we can stay naked. We go in 2-4 days spurts without putting on clothes, then go into Merigot or Phillipsburg to shop and spend the day with friends. We got passed the "see how long" we can stay naked stage because we are always naked at home ... so the thrill of staying naked as long as we could kinda wore off ... hahaha I've actually been naked here at home for almost 10 days. After some recent surgeries, once I got home from the hospital, I stripped and didn't get any guests or family over so ... I just remained nude the whole time. By the end of that time ... I was getting cabin fever and even though I had to put clothes on ... I had to get outta the house before I went nuts! I've often thought about going from club/resort to club/resort and trying to stay naked for as long as we can but ... there's always something in between that we want to see and we have to put clothes on ... so that never works out. ;) | |
| nude driving Driving nude |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 25, 2012 |
Drove to the coast this morning. 1.5 hrs there and another 2hrs on the return trip (traffic). My wife commented ... "wow, got a lot of naked drivin' in today!" LOL Even did a bit of it with the windows down and the fresh air blowin' through the cab of the truck. We really miss our convertible ... but ... we most likely would have never got to drive it naked with the top down and what good is a convertible without the top down! hehe :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 25, 2012 |
C O Home, I couldn't agree more and joining and supporting sites such as NCH are equally as important ... my point was only that, even with the non landed club I belong to, that is affiliated with both AANR and TNS ... our club, a neighboring club and a club/resort up in Northern Cal ... didn't recognize the name and our affiliation with that non landed club didn't mean anything to the clubs we were visiting but they obviously recognized the AANR card. I'd venture to say that one of the only non landed clubs that is instantly recognized and known to many club office staff is ... The Travelites! We also support numerous other naturist sites, group and organizations because of what they do and what they provide for us, such as; GAT, NAC, NCH, NFN, FOSOB, BBB's ...and several naturist websites that promote wholesome family nudism/naturism. You are correct, it is important to support other orgs and websites that give us the opportunity to exchange information. SB and I appreciate the open and honest communication between many of us that are Absolute Naturists and the continued sharing of experiences, advice and opinions on all topics by you and other contributors. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 24, 2012 |
I'll tell ya Jim ... when I ditched my 27 year collection of Playboy magazines and replaced them with the AANR Bulletin, "N" magazine from TNS and Naturally magazine from Internaturally ... my wife's attitude toward being naked did a 180! And that's the truth! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 24, 2012 |
It wasn't long but it was naked driving! LOL I drove my muscle car today. It needed to be started, run and driven a bit since it had been sitting for over a week...almost two weeks! I was projecting inside the house, out back and in and out of my work shed. I got the call from the Prof that she was almost home. The muscle car was cockeyed in the garage and needed to be straightened so the Prof could pull into the garage. Garage door open and I just jumped in and pulled the car out onto the street, then straightened it out and pulled it back in, got out and continued into the backyard. Like I said ... it wasn't a long drive but it was naked! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 24, 2012 |
I agree ... that's why I'm a Premium Member here as well but if I go to a club or resort and say ... "I'm a Premium Member of NCH" ... they may have heard of it but will say ... "that's nice..." and I may or may not get into the club. At the same token, even though Brian is an exemplary example of someone who promotes this lifestyle to the fullest, NCH hasn't established itself to get the same "benefits" belonging to either AANR or TNS can get you. If I go to a resort or club, will I be accepted in due to my membership with AANR or TNS ... or will a membership to NCH work just as well? I think the latter is great but is still not as well known and used as a gauge as to whether or not you'll be allowed entrance into said clubs or resorts. It would be great if NCH was recognized on the same level but I have belonged to a non landed club in upstate NY for several years that is affiliated with AANR and TNS and has a website but ... when I showed my club my AANR card with the clubs name on it ... the front desk people said ... "what's that?" I don't think many front desk people even get on the internet sites! LOL :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 24, 2012 |
I love to be nude because ... I truly believe that is the way we are suppose to be. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 23, 2012 |
The difference in being an AANR or TNS member and being a NCH member; clubs and resorts recognize AANR and TNS much more than they will a Premium member of a website. A Premium membership to NCH will not give the same benefits of a membership to AANR or TNS. | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 23, 2012 |
"Hobbyism"... a hobby to me is golf, woodworking, classic car restoration. Golf is the most "social" of the three but the other two "could" involve some socialization. Being naked and socializing isn't a hobby, it's a way of life, as I stated in my earlier post, for many of us ... Absolute Naturists. If many of us do indeed live as much as possible as nudists, visit nude resorts and clubs on a regular basis and have nudist friends visit from time to time ... there will be socializing and that's just a part of life ... it's not a hobby. Nude socializing or clothed socializing ... does it make a difference? ... and clothed socializing certainly isn't a hobby ... so why would nude socializing be? Even if someone is a "hobby nudist" ... is socializing in the nude really a hobby? Socializing is just a way of life whether your nude or clothed. | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 23, 2012 |
It seems that the person that sparked your interest and reason for posting this new topic felt that "Nudism/Social Nudism" meant going to resorts. Granted that can get expensive. If he/she/they aren't nude at home much, participate in nudist activities ONLY at resorts or clubs ... then, yes, nudism for them is a "hobby" or they'd consider it a "hobby." It would be nice to know in what context he uses "nudism/social nudism." For he/she/them, is it soley in the "resort" setting? Is it ONLY in places that cost money to enter? I think for many of us, in this group, nudism is a way of life and in life we relax, socialize and recreate ... and being nude while we do these things and most everything else in our everyday lifes, it would be incorrect, for many of us, to call it a "hobby." ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 21, 2012 |
hahahahaha... not sure about "it" being our dream home but I'd like to give it a shot and I think the Prof is warming up to the idea of a place to go but not live there permanently. I think she'd be fine with a week, two weeks but to live there ALL the time, she probably would not want to do that ... only because we would run the risk of not having "friends" over in that home but the kids and grandkids would come visit regardless of where we live. We'll see what happens in the next couple of years, after she retires. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 21, 2012 |
Nudony: That is the plan ... but, like many others everywhere and on this board, the current economic climate and our personal situation can't just go out and make the move, right now. It is being discussed seriously and when a few other issues involving our financial well being are dealt with ... and the Prof retires in a couple years, we'll look into what's available. I truly don't have a problem with "trailers" but it would be cramped as a second home. Most likely we'd rather have a single wide manufactured home but ... in all seriousness ... a plot within the gates would be great too and we could decide what we want to put there. ------------------------------------------------- Lacey: I understand and agree. As I stated, I can be hypocritical on this topic. If I could do it all the time, be naked when non nudists visit, I would never put shorts or shorts and t shirt on when they came to visit. I just think that exposing friends and loved ones to little bits of simple nudity can make them "ok" with it over time. It may not work for everyone but it's worked for me. Most everything I post is about me and my wife's experiences, personally. It doesn't ALWAYS work for us but we have had many more successes than setbacks. I give my personal experiences, opinions and advice on what "we" did and what worked and what didn't but that doesn't mean it'll work for anyone or everyone else. Appreciate the feedback and comments. Always good to have you posting. I enjoy reading what you have to say. FP | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 21, 2012 |
Ahhhhh ... NO, you don't "surprise" people with something you "know" will make them uncomfortable. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 20, 2012 |
Spent the day down by the beach. Hot and humid and when it was time to leave and come home ... the clothes came off, the windows went down til the car cooled off from the A/C. Took a backroad home and turned off the A/C and put down the windows! It was a great ride home. I just pulled right into the garage, unloaded the car, then slipped on a pair of mesh shorts, pulled the trash cans up to the gate. Took off the shorts in the garage and then pulled the trash cans into the backyard. 'bout ready to go soak in the hot tub with a glass of wine and cigar! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 20, 2012 |
Everyone's situation is different and everyones family dynamic is different. Generalized statements can work for the majority but do not fit or work as an end all for every family. We are fortunate, our girls and son in laws have visited resorts, clubs and beaches with us. The grandkids are on board, currently, with nudity and are fine with it. Could that change with a move to a nude community? Sure, but like getting used to being nude and granpa and granma's was an adjustment they made and are comfortable with ... a move to a nude community would also be an adjustment and something I feel very strongly that they would adjust to. Being exposed to bits of simple nudity was what brought our girls back to nudism, even if just recreational nudism. Not making a big deal outta not wearing a suit when the grandkids came over, got them to do it. Talking with them, sharing information, sharing pictures, having them meet our closest nudist friends ... was all apart of exposing them to the MANY positives and benefits of nudism and that's why they were more than eager to go to Club Orient with us for a week and did not hesitate to jump in with both feet soon after our arrival. In fact, when we were talking about buying a place at our club, our oldest and her husband both asked, "would it be permanent or could it be rented out?" I said ... "we'd probably rent it out to family and friends." He replied, "that would be cool, we just need to get our friends on board." So one daughter and one son in law are looking for a weekend nudist place to stay and the youngest is eagerly waiting for me to get some info for her to join AANR and our club ... so if these family members are onboard ... I really don't care about any of the others! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 20, 2012 |
We'd like to think that of those close to us ... know us and know the kind of people we are, but they soon change their thoughts when nudity is the subject ... it quickly and automatically turns to something sexual. I'd like to think that our friends and family would be as open minded as Lacey's but they are not. We've been friends, close friends with a few couples for over 25 years and I'm certain they still would not get it and think we are involved in something sexual. I/we could not tell them to go visit a nude club/resort and have sex and see how long you last before you're thrown out on your naked butt ... the conversation would end ... period! Most people can't get through their own embarrassment talking about nudity ... any kind of nudity! We just returned from a trip to Vegas with friends. We spent the night at their home the night before we left. This buddy of mine and I were texting each other over the logistics and timeframe. In closing he texts me ... "don't forget your jammies." I reply; "I've got them on underneath the clothes I'm wearing." His reply; "TMI" He later talks to my wife and he then again says ..."don't forget your jammies. I told your husband that and he said he was wearing them under his clothes ... maybe I need to put some plastic down on the sheets!" Odd and inappropriate statement to make. We arrived and nothing more was said. IN Vegas: he admits to going commando quite often and ... his wife wants to go see "one of those girly shows where they are topless." BUT they can't even discuss the fact there are pools in Vegas that women can be topless, that we skinny dip and that we visit nude resorts! He's even mentioned getting staterooms on cruises with balconies so he can go outside naked if he wants. He knows I'm a nudist, we've worked together many years but he still can't get passed a casual, honest and adult conversation without resorting to jokes and misconceptions. Of course ... ALL these jokes and misconceptions are leveled at me and not my wife cuz ... "she'd never do that!" | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 20, 2012 |
BUT ... if we truly believe that we are living a normal life, just like everyone else ... why do we have to change our life for those that don't live as we do? I'm not disagreeing with you ... in fact, I'm somewhat of a hypocrit because I believe that the way we live is not only good, healthy and absolutely nothing wrong with it ... but ... I will still cover occasionally when my daughter's visit. They know ... They know that we are nudists. That's why they call before they show up. For me, because of this philosophy I have, I'll refuse to get dressed occasionally. I think the exposure to simple nudity, as they are exposed to when coming here, is more proof that there's nothing wrong with it and it's just a way of life for some. It begins to erase the idea in their heads that ... nudity = sex ... always! Believe me ... I talk a better story than I wish I lived. I wished I could not give a damn about anyone else's feelings of discomfort but mine but that's not reality. The only thing that would change that is for us to finally move to a nude community where they know coming through the gates that this is the way they will see us and socialize with us. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 19, 2012 |
I agree to a degree Lacy but ... the same could and should go for those, in regards, to us and our rights and way of life. I will agree that there are times when I must get dressed when our daughters and son in laws, or other family members come over and know they will not be comfortable with my nudity but ... There are also times when I've been working or relaxing out back and my wife says ... " ... (our youngest or oldest) is stopping by to pick something up but not staying long." So ... do I get dressed or just continue what I'm doing? Most times ... I remain naked and when I do get dressed ... it's in my mesh shorts you can see through anyway. They come out, say "hi", give me a hug, ask what I'm doing and then go back inside and when they leave, they'll come to the back door and say "bye." I can tell they aren't "that" comfortable with my nudity in this environment. For us ... it's an everyday way of life and we don't think about being naked. For our daughter's ... they enjoy/enjoyed their nude recreation but still are not nudists as we are. Even if the dabble in it at home ... it's still not a way of life for them and ... it makes it tough when they've seen us naked, been naked here, swim naked, take showers outside, gone to nude venues and even vacationed with us at a nude resort for a week but still feel the need to cover when they come inside and that's not us ... but we will relent and cover so not to make them uncomfortable but then ... we aren't as comfortable! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 19, 2012 |
It's a common occurance ... with whomever I or we talk to about nudism/naturism. Like others, the misconception is ALWAYS sexual. We are a bunch of swinging, wife swapping, orgy participating pervs and deviates. They may sugarcoat those words and their delivery ... but that's what they are thinking. These misconceptions almost always come from our own peers, friends and family members. Not as often have I had this same type of misconception come from the younger generation. In fact, those friends of our youngest daughter, mid 30's, are probably the most accepting and willing to understand, ask questions and seem to accept that what we are telling them is the truth. Unlike our older daughter's friends ... late 30's, who have the misconception as those of our own generation, not entirely, but they are the beginning of a generation that is paranoid about a good many things and being naked just to be naked doesn't compute within their minds as being something non sexual. I too have spoken openly with the mid 30 to late 30 generations and find that they just can't get their heads around being naked ... just to be naked. They truly don't get that it's a great way of life and they are wound up so tight, nowadays, that they become close minded and unwilling to even listen. I've had better luck with the 20 somethings working behind the counter at Starbucks then with those that I thought ... knew us. So ... this post is already too long so to post the several misconceptions I've experienced within my family, our friends and with those I used to work with ... will have to come later! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 19, 2012 |
It's the mid 20's to mid 30's that seem to be the focus. The later in the 30's the more they seem to begin to get it and us. Our daughter's are in their mid to late 30's and get it and get us. They understand the "relax" mode we like to be in. They understand that there can be a shared space and venue without infringing on someone else's comfort ... or if it is, they are mature enough to take it elsewhere. I wish I could find a way to fix the mistake I made with the title ... I'll have to ask for some help from the Admins/Mods of the site. I think I may get more feedback. I was trying to talk on the phone and post this thread with two thoughts at once ... really screwed up the word perception! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 18, 2012 |
I'm computer challenged ... so I'll post the pic of me in a bikini top in my photo gallery. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 17, 2012 |
We never got to visit Swallows before it burned down or after it was rebuilt and changed names. We had gotten comfortable with social nudity but my wife was only comfortable at our beach, San Onofre and the Terra Cotta Inn. When I convinced her to try another place ... the fire had taken Swallows. We started going to resorts and that was what she was comfortable with until we joined Glen Eden about 5 years ago. From the looks of the pictures ... they sure where having a lot of fun even back in those days! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 17, 2012 |
I've pumped fuel into my truck twice ...while nude. Once on purpose and once ... out of necessity! The incident where I did it on purpose ... driving to Lake Havasu and was obviously naked. I needed fuel and went to slip on my short mesh shorts and looked around ... NO ONE around, no one at the gas station and a kid at the counter playing with his cell phone. I just jumped out, slid my card, started to pump the fuel and stood by the pump with the door to the truck open just in case I needed to take cover. I was able to pump the entire tank without having to get back in the truck. It was a great experience and I thought ... "how come this isn't natural to do all the time?" The time outta necessity. I left our current home for our home we sold to do some last minute repairs. I made sure I had ALL my tools but drove off without any clothes ... AT ALL! Got to the old house, found I needed a few supplies, got into the truck looking for my clothes ... NO CLOTHES! Headed out to return to our new home and found I needed fuel ... badly! Stopped and waited and waited for the right time and then drove up to the pump, got out and started the process. I didn't stand there that time ... too many other cars coming and going. It took a while but I was able to pump my fuel and do the transaction without being seen. Now my truck has a few changes of different types of clothing under the back seat! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 17, 2012 |
I've been on the naturist internet for many years now. I've had my experience with different types of nudists ... some good, some not so good. The younger people seem reluctant to get involved because of the attitudes of the older nudists and I'm beginning to see why that is over and over again. Every site seems to have a few older, single male members that are ... "nudist know it alls." It's their way or the highway, and most times ... if you ask a question that's already been discussed ... they berate the new member, call them trolls and then hijack the thread between the few ol' farts and practice their stand up routines ... I got news for them, we've got plenty of comedians and they need to keep their day jobs or live on their pensions. NOW ... I've not run into that, that often, here ... but on another site, there are several that fit this mold and gets tiring reading their rhetoric over and over again. One word or oneliners that are suppose to be funny ... count as a post and the more posts you acquire ... the higher you standing in the site is, for instance; If you acquire X number of posts your go from "newbie" to "nudist." Then the next step may be "Super Nudist" then "Ultra Nudist!" But ... that title means absolutely nothing because some of these people contribute NOTHING to nudism, the advancement of nudism or share any experiences or advice other than belittlement and negative banter. Is it any wonder why younger people don't want to get involved in naturism, internet naturism discussion or have anything to do with the older generation of nudists? FP | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 17, 2012 |
I had a short and painful hiatus from driving nude earlier this year. Foot surgery on both feet made it a little difficult to slip on and off the shorts ... so I had to take a break. But I've returned to driving naked quite regularly again and I'm glad that hiatus is behind me. I've been driving completely naked for over 20 years. PRior to that, I'd drive bottomless and occasionally totally nude but in the last 20+ years I've ditched all of it and driven nude all over and even just running errands. I "think" about driving nude when I can't be nude while driving. If we are headed to a formal outing or I need to be dressed in dress pants ... I get dressed at home and stay dressed til I return. Believe me ... I'm "thinking" about being naked the entire time! hahaha But ... driving naked has become SO second nature for me that most times I don't even start my truck til I've slipped off my shorts and taken off my t shirt. One of the perks for living in a climate where it's warm almost all the time ... shorts, t shirts and flip flops are not only common but the easiest clothes to slip on and off! I have to remember sometimes that I am nude cuz I've started to get out of the truck a few times and forgot I was naked. That works late at night when pulling into the driveway and coming inside but not a good idea in broad daylight at the gas station! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 17, 2012 |
Returned from a camping trip to our club recently. Took the motorhome so ... I don't think it's really ... camping! hahaha But ... it was a naked outdoor outing at any rate. It gave us time to continue our "shake down" cruise of this coach that we just bought from my dad. It also gave me some time to personalize the coach so it becomes "ours" and not my dad's. One of the things we did was take down this picture that came witht the coach. I took the picture apart from the frame, used the mat as a template and then printed pictures of all our grandchildren and made a collage and rehung it in the same spot! Great addition to the coach. Set up and take down is getting easier and takes less time and the best part is that I'm able to do it naked. It's cooler, I'm not tugging at my shorts and ... it's just more fun. We spent 4 days and 3 nights there and if it weren't so dang hot ... we might have returned again already but ... I had stitches in my foot and could not get it wet and with temps over 100 degrees ... it was miserable being in those temps and not being able to use the pool. I guess ... once the weather breaks and it gets down to the 80's ... we'll be on the road again and camping/motorhoming at the club once again. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 17, 2012 |
I was fortunate to have visited Jardín del Sol before it closed. That day, I was the only one visiting and had the grounds to myself. Luckily ... the female owner wasn't busy and spent some of the day hanging out and we talked about their new plans for the property. Not sure if it panned out or if that idea fell through. Nice place, nice female owner. Her husband was busy doing a few things then he left for town to pick up supplies so I didn't get to talk to him much. Thanks for allowing me membership into this group. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 16, 2012 |
I've seen, met and witnessed Valkrie's family at nude venues. Her family is a model for other naturist families to follow. The three of them seem to be everywhere there is a nude event and their son is right there with them. He's so comfortable in his surroundings with other nudists. It's a real pleasure to see and watch. THIS is what we, my wife and I, had hoped for with our girls but ... during the time when they began to question being nude and being nude around us ... there was no internet. We had no support system as there is today. If we had had this type of communication with other naturist parents, I think we would have ventured towards the clubs sooner and the girls would not have taken the 20+ years of absence from nudism. We shouldn't complain ... they found it at age 30+. At least it wasn't lost forever. Update on the 8 yo grandson: He's now 10. All the grandkids (4 at the time) and their parents went with us on a 8 day, 7 night nude vacation a few years ago ... they all loved it. Tonight, while watching them all ( 5 now) and having dinner before being picked up by their parents ... my wife asked them ... "what's their most favorite place to vacation?" The 10 y.o. male says ... "the caribbean! I could just lay on that lounge, snorkle or relax in the sand ... without my suit!" :D He's more than a "chip off the ol' block!" ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 15, 2012 |
My wife had been a "home nudist" up until we decided to visit our nude beach, San Onofre. The first few times, we sat alone away from most everyone. She was still apprehensive about the social aspect and I was not going to push. On one particular visit, we sat near an "older" couple. The woman sat on their blanket and wore a large white hat while reading her book. My wife watched this woman and was taken by her attitude, her poise and her gracefulness. This made my wife so much more at ease and after that day, she began to feel much more comfortable with being naked on the beach and enjoying herself instead of worrying so much. We've had some people act inappropriately around us and we've spoken up, gotten them to leave and it's not affected my wife's enjoyment of the beach. Glad you're enjoying it and Welcome to NCH! A&D | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 11, 2012 |
I know I ventured off topic with the discussion on clubs and beaches but ... it is the segue into the conversations I have about Living nude. "Yes, I do go to these places, but we also live this way all the time." Some of these young females will admit that they are naked at home when they can but don't consider themselves nudists/naturists as we are. They've had constraints but as stated ... my daughter's best friend and her husband have tried it and admit to being naked much more often at home than they have been previous to talking to us. Just the other night during our discussion, she told me that their 3 y.o. child is now running around naked all the time. She said ... "she'd be real comfortable at your house." I countered by asking ... "I thought you guys were getting into living naked as well." She answered ... "yeah, I guess we're sending that message to her more than I thought, but you guys do it all the time and we aren't there yet!" We don't "normally" get naked nor are we naked when we have non nudists over. IT makes them uncomfortable and we don't want to do that to them BUT ... this younger couple knows us well enough and would not feel that way so ... if the opportunity arises, we greet them and usually head out to the pool after a bit, strip, do some skinny dippin' and then remain uncovered for a long period of time. It takes time and repeated nude gatherings to get them used to Living nude. Some people can jump right into the water and not get out. Some ... it takes repeated dunks in the water to get used to it and become as comfortable as needed. That's what is working for this couple. Their daughter is already there! hahaha ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 11, 2012 |
We need to be willing to talk about it! We need to be willing to share with others that what we do and how we live is NOT weird, bad, naughty, sexual (all the time), we're not having orgies behind those gates... We need to be willing to answer questions and talk in length, if necessary, to get people to understand who we are and what we do. I continue to wear naturist logo, naturist resort and nude beach t shirts when I'm out and about. I get questions now and then and I try and engage in conversation with others. Some are willing, others don't want to be bothered. Strangely ... the most success I've had with conversations about nudism and nudist places are with younger females. I would have thought that they may not want to talk to an older man about it but they seem quite comfortable asking questions about beaches and clubs. I guess the most I've done to promote Naturist/Nudist Living is through my 30 something daughter's and their friends, specifically our youngest daughter's best friend. We spoke in length the other night while driving to a football game. My daughter and her best friend are seriously thinking about joining a national org and our club. Once that happens, their other friends will surely understand it coming from them instead of me! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 11, 2012 |
Let me ask you this; does your wife ask you to sit and listen to her concerns or something of importance to her? Do your kids ask you if they can talk to you about something important to them? In line with what SB is saying ... maybe it's time to have a sit down with the family ... or one on one and tell them, educate them on nudism and what you do and why you do it. THEY are ALL thinking it's about sex. It's time to educate them that simple nudity is NOT about sex. I'd start with you wife first. In my opinion ... if she's not onboard and not willing to defend or at least stand beside you on your feelings and desires ... then trying to get the kids onboard is a moot point. Pitting one against the other is not what you want to do ... so I'd suggest getting your wife to at least understand what it's about, agree that it's not just about showering and sex ... heck, you said yourself she sleeps nude, so that blows that theory. In our relationship, it was my wife that decided to tell the girls that we had continued our nudist lifestyle even after they stopped and where it was we went and how we live. It was important to her to tell them so they didn't think "I" was forcing my wife to do this. It's important for partners to support each other, especially with older children but ... they must understand and support your ideas and philosophies before they can support you in them to others. Good luck, let us know how it goes. FP ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 4, 2012 |
LMAO ... I know this is off topic but ... Here's one of those things that I just don't understand about some that call themselves adult nudists. We are suppose to be mature, open-minded people; that's why we we are so capable (some of us anyway) of living this lifestyle to our fullest ... yet we have so much trouble with simple words that seem to bother them to say. Frickin', freakin', freckin',fricken, ALL = a word we ALL know what it is. These words are just a way of saying it without really saying it. If you were to type the word you want to put in it's place ... you'd either be reprimanded by Admin, Mods or all those with dainty ears ... cuz I don't know where on earth you'd go not to hear this word used by the youngest of people, nowadays. But you can type frickin'/fricken and can't type HELL!? Now that's funny! | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 3, 2012 |
I think many of the shots SB is speaking of are self taken photos with guys in "so called" comfortable positions that are in those positions for one reason only ... to show off what they don't have ... a brain! I often wonder about many who post pictures of this nature. Is it the thrill of having your genitals displayed on the internet? Is it to validate that you have what you have? Is it a crap shoot to see if someone will respond and make you feel ... better about yourself? Ya gotta admit ... the whole idea of nudism/naturism is to feel better about yourself, to understand that no one will judge you for what you have but more of who you are and with all these people posting pics in this manner ... I don't see how their ability to be accepted, by other nudist men and women will be accomplished. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 2, 2012 |
Rules are rules and it strikes me funny how many will contradict themselves with opinions on one subject and then the opposite on another. I know TXnNude is being sarcastic but ... without some rules and guidelines and a constant changing of those rules and guidelines ... the perv's, Perv Bait's, trolls and the like continue to find ways to get around the rules and guidelines. I'm not that savy on the inner workings of these websites but I'm also not naive. To make money ... you have to have paying members. Paying members get special priviledges ... many times those "special priviledges" are the ability to see more pictures. If I owned a site and limited the amount of trolls, perv's and the like ... then I'd be left with nothing but real nudists that just came here to communicate and not scope out naked pics. I wouldn't make much money on that ... so I see the other side of allowing any and all to join and not be hypercritical of some of the stuff I might see. I don't agree with it ... I just understand it and see it on numerous naturist sites. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 2, 2012 |
I have no use for these guys. Some have even requested friendship and I deny it based on their profile pic, when they are posed in this manner. We ALL know you have a penis. We all know that the vast majority of them are average size ... so we don't need to see it and we don't need to see it after it's been massaged to a larger state. Profile pics like this, accompanied with a blank profile ... if this were my site ... they'd be gone, no if's and's or butt's! :D Perv Bait women: You can tell which ones are serious nudists and which are not. Just look at some of the pictures posted as profile pics ... professional photo taken right off a soft porn site. This should be automatic as well. I truly think we lose more real nudists to joining sites because of all the trolls that are allowed in. Yes ... we could be turning some "good" people away but the vast majority of those that are real nudists will continue to stay, log on and even if the don't contribute, you see that they are here regularly. Many of these trolls don't log on for months and months only to log on to see if there are any new pictures to look at. I say ... bounce them! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 2, 2012 |
Of course ... I've heard of nude intellegence ... but there are some that think that you MUST be nude at all times, at all cost ... and some of these idiots manage clubs, resorts and unlease their clothes nazi's on the likes of those we've commented on. At our club, we'd love to sit around the pool on the pool deck but after several hours of reflective sun off the pool my wife, having already had pre cancer spots removed, will put her SunPrecautions shirt on and these clothes nazi's come out of the woodwork like roaches! There is little common sense with some of the people that ironically ... patrol the pool deck looking for those covering up and they do so ... completely dressed! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 1, 2012 |
This last year's show was the best interaction between nudes and clothed people that we've seen of the 4 years we've attended, 3 of them with a car in the show. What I've seen in the last three years is the more accepting attitudes of the female textiles from the car club. Those coming in from the outside to view the car show kinda have an idea of what they may encounter and keep an open mind. It was the closed minded female car show participants that had issues with attending, at first, but it's grown on them to the point they are not as immature as they were in the past but still aren't at the point where they are taking the tour! We'll be there for sure next year! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 1, 2012 |
I'm sorry you don't get what this group is about. There is a group for "Home Nudists." Nudists that don't venture out of the home or backyard. Home Nudists that have never been to a beach, club or resort. Home Nudists that don't belong to a naturist organization or share any of the philosophies of naturists that live it, breath it, advocate it, educate about it and are activists for it ... it meaning nudism/naturism outside the computer and outside the confines of the house. That is what this group is about. It's not that we are saying we are better than you are, we just go about our "nudist" lives differently than you do and it becomes very irritating when someone that has little or NO experience in matters being discussed ... get into arguments with others that have the experience and know what they are talking about. There are various levels and kinds of nudists, we've all discussed that, even here on Absolute Naturists. Many times, these "spin off" groups became the groups they are because so many found that they had more to talk about with others that live the same type of nudist lifestyle and grew tired of those that either couldn't, wouldn't or hadn't experienced it at the same level. I think the group owner has been EXTREMELY liberal with who she's allowed to join this group, given the mantra and philosophy. She's even allowed many to stay when they've proven NOT to be Absolute Naturists but that would actually fit in much better in some of the other groups available. It's really not that tough to figure out. If we had a group here of Nudist Dog Lovers and I asked to join and then you found out I don't have a dog, don't have a use for a dog, don't think I'll ever get a dog, but I have a cat and since they are both animals and pets ... I should belong to your group of "DOG lovers." You have to be able to live it to some degree to get it and sometimes ... some still don't get it! NOW ... can we get back to talking about the penis! Cuz that's all guys wanna talk about anyway! LOL :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Aug 1, 2012 |
One event I completely forgot to mention was an annual car show that takes place at our club. It's put together by a car club and our club provides the place for two reasons ... give the car club another venue to show their stuff AND ... nudists and clothed people interaction. We've participated in the last three year's car shows. The first was just way too cold to be naked but there were a few brave souls. The last two were more than warm enough to be naked and I was naked amongst the dozens of textile car show participants and visitors. Last year, I won a plaque for the best muscle car and I walked up to the stage and received my plaque naked. My picture was taken and I signed a release so they could post it on the website. I actually got applause from several of the textiles for having the guts to go up there naked and get my plaque cuz a few others slipped on something to go up and get theirs. This year's car show found many, many more nudists mingling with textiles. I think this car club has gotten over it's "fear factor" of seeing naked people and they do much more wondering, stopping and talking and the nudists and textiles intertwine with one another around and on the dance floor while listening and dancing to the live band. It's a great event to have this nude/clothed interaction and it seems to work out really well. We sat next to three textile males at this year's car show. We talked about our cars and they couldn't get over the fact that I was naked and talking to them. They did, however, kid with my wife and wanted to know why she wasn't naked. She told them ... "I'm not here for your enjoyment or on display ... you wanna see me naked? Join the club or get naked right now and then I'll take off my dress and be more comfortable then I am wearing it." They wouldn't do it but ... they got a better sense of what "it's" about and it's not sexual for us but about who we are. To add insult to their already injured egos ... our youngest daughter showed up, sat with us, she talked with these guys as well and schooled them again on naturism and what it means to her and why women feel the way they do around guys who think as they did. More "humble pie" to be eaten and at the end of the day ... these guys "got it" just a little bit more. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 31, 2012 |
I don't cover at all ... unless I'm cold. But my wife will cover when she feels she's had too much sun and in which case ... she'll grab one of her SunPrecaution shirts and puts that on. If her legs have had enough sun, she'll usually place a sarong over them til the sun goes down then it all comes off again. ;) D. Weber's t shirt fashion is most likely as you stated, to cover her shoulders and upper back from too much sun exposure but she wanted her breasts exposed so ... that's how she made that happen. Neat idea ... but she was a true trailblazer for this lifestyle. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 27, 2012 |
Dave...why does Nudony get it and you don't??? Maybe he's a "better" nudist! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 27, 2012 |
Why does anyone care about what people call various body parts? It's ridiculous. It doesn't matter what you call it! I'm a better nudist than you cause I can say penis! How petty. Do you also say urinate and defecate too? Is it ok to say butt, or must we say buttocks? You missed the context and that it was my opinion but ... given your inability to do so ... you go ahead and call your pee pee anything you want! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 25, 2012 |
I understand why mainstream society is so uptight with the sight of a penis, a vagina and female nipples ... it's been discussed at length so no need to rehash but ... what I find harder to understand is nudists that find it uncomfortable saying, using or typing the words ... penis, vagina, anus, rectum, anal area, pubic area, pubic hair, areola ... I've seen and heard, junk, johnson, tool and too many others to name a penis, Vah jay jay, womanly parts, the hair "down there", private parts, business district ... what the hell is up with some of these kiddy names we see people using on naturist sites? There is a stigma, even within the naturist community with relation to the penis and what it suppose to look like. We have people within this lifestyle that spout off their personal opinions and degrade others because their penis has not been circumsized. We have nudists stating completely unfounded accusations that a circumsized penis is cleaner than an uncircumsized penis ... where do these idiots come from ... under a rock? A penis isn't suppose to look like anything other than a penis ... no matter what size, no matter if it's circumsized or not, no matter if it's shaved or hairy, no matter what! It's strange that there aren't any topics on vaginas. I've seen many and they are different in many ways ... but these same idiots don't critique vaginas! Guys are just too damn obsessed with their dicks and when these topics of cut or uncut, clean or unclean, what women like better, which one looks better ... it's always obvious that guys are thinking with their dicks and not their brains! And ... this is a BIG reason why many women refuse to engage in conversation on naturist website message boards. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 25, 2012 |
To answer your question ... which I will, happily; When our girls were12 and 8 ... is when they began to question why we lived naked. Within 6-8 months of inquiring ... the oldest one decided she didn't want to do it anymore and the 8 y.o. followed suit soon after. Had the internet been invented and we had the type of interaction with naturists we have currently, maybe we may have visited clubs but this was way back in 1983-1985 ... some 27 yrs ago. I think they both had enough of a history that they remember, to this day, the times we spent in our home and backyard. My wife was nowhere near ready for social nudity so ... it was never suggested "strongly" until 15 years ago. When the girls were told, they were taken back a little but they remembered and understood. It wasn't until they grew up and started traveling on their own and I gave them the opportunity to join us but it had to be at "our" place ... regardless if they participated in nudity. The rest, thus far, is history. They are NOT nudists but they enjoy vacationing at nude resorts, the youngest has done more club, beach and resort visits with us and our friends and has even introduced her best friend and her husband to nudism and they have gone with us to the beach. So ... if we had the internet and a support system of other nudists friends to ask questions of, visit with and spend time with ... it might have been different. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 24, 2012 |
Sounds like a blast SB! Reminds me of the early 70's in Golden Gate Park ... too bad I had a military hair cut back then and stuck out like a sore thumb! LMAO ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 24, 2012 |
On the contrary ... Mr Rabbit: AANR was involved, quite heavily in the San Onofre Beach, Trail 6, issue, underhandedly but involved nonetheless! The difference was; TNS/NAC was fighting to keep San O as the tradionally used nude beach, it was for over 35 yrs, and was willing to begin litigation in order to do so. AANR chose "the high road", as they told it, and threw San Onofre Beach under the bus in order to save all other state beaches with CO areas but that came back to bit them in the butt. AANR held secret meetings with Parks and Rec officials and never told TNS/NAC anything about the "deals" it was making ... remember, AANR is taking the high road on this! They stated that they would not be a part of the litigation process TNS/NAC began if they, CA Parks and Rec, would leave the rest of the state tolerated CO beaches alone and not cite nudists. Not soon after, there were threats of citations starting at Blacks, Bonny Doon and a few others in Central CA. There may not have been any citations written but the threats from CA Parks and Rec Rangers was there nonetheless. When dues paying AANR members were cited on San Onofre Beach ... AANR was nowhere to be found but those nudists were represented by an NAC board member and lawyer. Of the 15 citations ... only two citations were paid by those receiving them the remaining 13, 11 were dismissed and I haven't heard the status of the remaining 2 but one member here had received 2 citations and his first was dismissed. It would have been much better for AANR to do as you said ... and not be seen or heard from on this particular issue because in the eyes of all nudists that use these tradional CO areas of state beaches ... they did more harm than good. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 23, 2012 |
I have to laugh sometimes. I drive nude to our club all the time, only to park and slip on shorts to go into the office and check in and pay for day use. Then ... I get back in the truck and slip off my shorts and drive in naked. It's too bad I can't just get out of the car naked and go into the office but with signs everywhere stating ... "No nudity beyond this point", I follow the rules! It was easier when I had a "special" membership where I could stay nude, and wave a card on the magnetic gate opener and I was allowed in without getting out of the car but ... that membership was way too expensive for us. I had to laugh at one guy. He saw me driving through the gate naked and said ... "hey, that guy is naked in his car!" Are you serious? I'm a nudist, visiting a nude club, driving my car naked in the club and you're freaked by it!? LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 23, 2012 |
LOL ... I am a member and supporter of AANR but ... many things, philosophies and policies AANR backs and defends ... defy logic! LOL :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 23, 2012 |
It seems simple enough. We visited Denmark several years ago. I, of course, researched nude beaches so we could enjoy a few days of sunning our butts while in this country. ALL ... ALL but two beaches in Denmark are clothing optional! Kilometers after Kilometers of beach front and only two beaches where they require you to be covered. In those advisories ... they even mentioned that on those clothing mandatory beaches, if you ventured far enough away from the populated areas ... you could enjoy topless and nude sunbathing and swimming. What a concept! It's difficult enough to get this puritan society to accept us behind fences, gates and in our own backyards and I don't think it helps when we have an org that finds it necessary to preach ... "appropriate" locations. We should be able to share common areas without textiles getting their panties in a bunch over simple nudity but ... I think in fareness to the textile society ... we have some so called "nudists" that are in this for more of the shock and sexual aspects, than for the right reasons. I wish I had the right answer ... I just don't understand why we are so uptight about simple nudity and other countries are so open and mature about it. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 23, 2012 |
Looking forward to a visit to Blacks and meeting you as well! FP | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 23, 2012 |
Well ... it's too late to help you, YOUR HOOKED! LOL For me...it went from rush to second nature, driving nude, and sometimes I have to remember that there are others in the car, with me, and that they aren't nudists and would wonder what the hell I was doing taking my clothes off while driving! LOL I'd love to get down to Blacks but our schedules may not mesh. It's easier for me to go on weekdays and I won't be in any shape for the hike down and back up for at least a month. Weekends are jam backed with family and "us" time. Enjoy your naked driving, when you can. Maybe see ya down there at Blacks sometime at the end of summer or in the fall. FP | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 22, 2012 |
Oh man ... I think you hit on some very points that many of us have experienced and agree with you on! The majority of nudists are not very materialistic but there are plenty who still are and even when they have their clothes off ... they gotta tell ya where they live and what they do and how much money they make and vacations they go on to exotic places and then bad mouth some place you've gone cuz it just wasn't nice enough for them! LOL Kids: Geez ... we were ALL kids once. We ALL did stuff our elders didn't care for. I get so sick and tired of hearing older "nudists" complain about kids. If you don't like kids, don't want to see them naked or having fun ... stay the hell home ... please! Grumpy people not wanted! LOL Correct posture for a female: My wife was having a hell of a time getting out of a lounge chair cuz she was so afraid of spreading her legs! I told her ... "ya think everyone here hasn't seen what's between a man's and women's legs ... get over it and get outta the lounge chair in a way you don't hurt yourself!" She doesn't fret about that anymore ... thank goodness. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 22, 2012 |
You're lumping ALL kids into the same category as a few unruly kids. It's typical of grumpy ol' people to do that! I'm probably not too much younger or older than you are but obviously happen to remember my childhood and what we used to do. I'm sure you just didn't sit inside and sit at the computer all day! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 21, 2012 |
We can only hope, but from my experience in these matters, new appointee's tend to focus on the issues that caused the firings and resignations and they don't go in and change anything else. What needs to be done, on our part, is to show that parks, beaches that were used by honest, taxpaying and respectful nudists were losing money daily, monthly and annually. I can't believe that the monies generated by those that frequented San Onofre Trail 6, were not felt and seen on paper as a huge loss in revenue. If ... they were to return to the policies regarding nudity at Trail 6, that park alone would see an increase in revenue like they've never seen before. I'd like to see them transfer the idiot ranger supervisor of this area in particular that feels he has nothing else to do, on his agenda, then to bust and hassle nude beach goers. Thanks for the update So Cal Nudist!! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 21, 2012 |
We were ALL Premiums for about 12 years ... then the prices increased ... seemed like annually and we began to cut back on the type of pass. This past year, my wife gave them all a certain amount of money to put towards their pass. One daughter and her kids opted for Legoland instead! We'd heard from a couple of people that have insider information and they stated that DLand oversold annual passes and they felt that AP holders don't spend the $$$ so they are weeding us out! Really p's me off that they did this but ... the family wasn't going as much as they needed to, annually, to substanciate the cost of a AP. :( | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 20, 2012 |
So Cal Nudists ... Regretably we will be at a baseball tournament for our grandson, in Pismo Beach. Keep us posted on any other nude bowling outings and any other club events and the Professor and I will continue to try and fit it into our hectic schedule! Please tell Mrs. So Cal Nudist we said hello and hope to see you both soon! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 20, 2012 |
We still love Disneyland but ... their current price hikes on Annual passes priced us right outta the market! We purchase 10 annual passes a year. We buy them for everyone in the family with the exception of the youngest grandchild who is only 2. We are limited on which type of annual pass we can buy because of black out days, school schedules and sports schedules for our oldest grandchildren. We need the least amount of blackout day passes ... and those are either the Deluxe or Premium. At over $600 for a premium pass X's 10 ... ahhhh, not gonna happen! Deluxe passes aren't that much cheaper and when you get down to the So. Cal pass ... too many black out days. How has the increase in the annual pass prices affected some of the other nudist Disneyland lovers here? ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 20, 2012 |
Thing is ... this entire campground lends itself so well to be a nude club or resort. It's full of full grown trees, which shield the view from the road desending into the valley, with just minimal shrub addition or movement ... it's completely blocked off from the road. I'll be happy just to be able to enjoy "some" naked time while we are camped there. I'm not looking to convert anyone or even get caught ... just that an entire weekend or longer with only being able to be naked inside the motorhome will kill me and with the right spot ... we can be naked in our screen patio witout being seen. That's a real plus. I'll keep ya posted on the process and progress! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 19, 2012 |
Not entirely sure what we are going to do in the near future. Once the Prof retires, we are not sure we are going to stay in this home. She knows we want and need room and privacy and maybe we may just look for a long term rental and buy a small place at our club and live between the two. She's made mention of being possibly agreeable to the latter! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 19, 2012 |
What the lot of us should do ... and I know I will do this, is to write TSA a letter in protest of them spending money to prosecute this man any further just because they lost this case. It is so typical of an agency to look for other ways to try and win an argument when they've been handed a loss to their case and credibility. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 19, 2012 |
It was a fun day trip. Had planned on doing a bit more naked driving today with the Prof. There are a couple of dirt backroads that lead back into some of the more rural areas and canyons in the county. I thought we'd pack a cooler and head out and explore and maybe even have a naked picnic and take some pics but ... a sick couple of grandkids kept us home today. Now we are just hoping and praying they didn't give it to us! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 19, 2012 |
CO-Home, I think this hits home hardest when it comes from a female member of a site. When guys accuse guys ... the arguments begin and seem never ending, but if a female member calls a guy out ... his embarrassment can't handle it and they usually go looking for another site or ... cancel their membership and start a new one under a different name! LOL Glad to see and hear you calling out the fakers! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 19, 2012 |
It was obvious what the intent was of those pics you are referring to. They were of a person that obviously took their own picture at home, then photoshopped that picture into a beach scene, as if to show that they were nude at the beach ... but the photoshop job was really quite bad. If someone's going to to through the trouble of photoshopping his/her picture or ... use a picture of a nude model off the internet, as their own, it's a good bet that they are going to lie about everything else that they type about. With the amount of "screening" I do for another site, of perspective members, I find myself on numerous sites with nude pictures where these perspective members frequent. People on several sites, I'm on, take pictures from these sites and try and sell them as themselves. They are only fooling a few people. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 18, 2012 |
Got some serious naked driving in today! All in all ... about 4+ hours off and on. Driving most of it through mountain roads, though the campground we just joined, through a couple of little mountain towns then through a few cities back home! Got home late enough ... didn't even have to slip on the shorts to go inside. Life is good! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 18, 2012 |
Today ... I not only got in some naked driving but also inherited membership to a private textile campground. My parent purchased this 99 yr lease years ago. My mom passed several years ago and my dad's not using it. Rather than let it go ... The Prof and I took it over. Our girls grew up on camping at this club. We want to take our grandkids there and have them experience what our girls experienced. Lots of trails for hiking and tons and tons or space for them to explore without leaving the grounds. Funny thing was; we drove around the campground because we hadn't been there in years. We were both scoping out the various sites that lent themselves to some discreet naked camping ... in a textile campground!!! :) With some correctly placed EZ ups and positioning of the motorhome ... we could easily go in and out of our motorhome naked and spend time in the screened patio without being seen. My wife was even saying ... "that would be a nice spot for us to spend the time here and ditch the clothes when we return to the motorhome and not want to wear them." Though it's not a nude club or campground ... it's nice that we can find a place where we are out of site from people and with some privacy issues addressed ... we can still enjoy some naked time together. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 17, 2012 |
LOL ... it might have been better for me to read your post before I responded to you email! I see the price. Thanks, FP | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 16, 2012 |
Andy and Bee ... that is a GREAT networking card! We have a picture like that while on Orient Beach ... you've just given me a great idea for our next batch of cards! Thanks! | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 16, 2012 |
I'd like to meet a couple of guys from here and hike up to Deep Creek. I know my wife won't want to make that hike but I'd like to. As soon as I'm able to begin hiking again... I'll try and hook up with a group going up there. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 16, 2012 |
We were constantly looking for paper and pen to write our address down, phone numbers, email addresses, when we met someone at a club or resort we wanted to stay in contact with. We finally got business cards printed up with Vista Printing, online. But ... I never thought to also put on the cards that we were AANR and TNS members or members of Glen Eden Sun Club. That's a pretty good idea and a great "opening" for conversation about what we are and what we do. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 16, 2012 |
I've posted this before on another AN thread but ... I know that once I dumped my subscription to Playboy and got rid of the 27 yrs of stored mags from the garage ... my wife's attitude change dramatically. She no longer felt I was comparing her to the girls in the mag. Nowadays, I see a few magazines that are publishing articles about body acceptance. More celebrity females, young and older, are embracing their natural bodies and resisting surgeries to enhance themselves but not to the extent that I personally feel, is equal or close to equal of those publications that continue to bombard women with articles of what they "need to" or "should" look like. How many times have we seen a publication lead story splashed on the cover ... "Look better Naked!" In my wife's defense ... I don't think she's vain, or trying to be 16 again, but knows that she doesn't feel well carrying a little more weight than usual. But ... I know from experience that it's much, much harder for her to lose weight than it is for me. When she feels tired and sluggish and disillusioned about losing weight and feeling better ... it also reflects on her willingness to be naked amongst others she doesn't know that well. I think she feels that her close friends, clothed and nudist will accept her for what she looks like but because she is a woman and she does give a crap about the way she looks and feels ... socializing with other nudists depends on how she looks and feels about herself. It's not for me to try and figure out "why" she feels that way or anaylze why she feels that way and find a solution ... it's my job to support her and do what I can to enhance her self esteem as best I can and just understand and listen when she needs me to. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 15, 2012 |
With regards to San Onofre, since this is the only nude beach I'm aquainted well enough to speak on regarding this subject. I was told by several regulars, at different times, that they were told by our beach group President, that of the so called 13 reports of lewd conduct that lead to the enforcement of no nudity on San O's Trail 6, 8 reports and citations were written on gay men for lewd activity in the parking lot of Trail 6, a mile away from the beach itself. After a day at the beach, my wife and I would shower at the comfort station at the top of the trail. I'd wet a towel and we'd get into my truck and drive to the furthest portion of the parking lot, park the truck to give us privacy, strip and continue freshening up before getting in the truck for the long ride home. Numerous times ... we witnessed at least one gay couple down that way performing oral sex on one another. Stange part was ... this was a heavily used area for bike traffic and a bike trail. We would be hidden from bike riders but the gays would do this right out in the open! It was though they wanted you to see them do this. It was as if they not only wanted you to know they were gay but also that they had the right to be so and to exercise their sexual urges out in the open as well. There we many places they could have gone to do this but it seemed they wanted to do this where they could be seen. Maybe it worked to bring more of those that were also gay or interested in participating or watching. I'm not sure and I don't pretend to know ... it's just what we have witnessed. During our many, many walks down the beach, onto Camp Pendleton property, it was quite clear that the gays were not shy at all about their sexual activity. Most of the times, we witnessed gays going this type of activity but there were hetero couples engaged in sex acts but not near the numbers of gays. Some times the hetero's would stop momentarily until you passed, other hetero's would just keep on doing what they were doing but almost ALL gays would just continue as though they had the right to do what they were doing and you couldn't stop them. Since this was NOT the area where most of the regular nudists camped out, we could care less what they did way down on Camp Pendleton property. I'm not sure why this is. There is a definate "area" where most of the gays set up their chairs, blankets and umbrellas. I've watched them "prep" themselves for males walking passed. On many occasions, they were not shy about performing sex acts on each other right in front of those walking by. They were almost defiant as to the rules and etiquette on "our" section of the beach and since many of us ran them off, they went south of the fenceline to do what they wanted without being hassled. So again ... why this is, I'm not sure, other than those we saw were probably also exhibitionists, which seems strange given that ALL of them acted this way, but at any rate, the numbers of gays performing sex acts on each other was about 3-1 in comparison to hetero couples we witnessed on our nude beach. I don't have an answer ... just what we have witnessed first hand. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 14, 2012 |
I've dealt with this on a personal basis a few times with the females closest to me ... my wife and my daughter's. My wife still continues to have body acceptance issues and it affects her social nudism. When she feels good about herself, physically, she's more outgoing and social. When she's in her current state, she's less willing to socialize. She'll do it but she's a bit more standoffish than when she's feeling more confident about her body. Our youngest daughter had some real bad body acceptance and image issues. It wasn't until we took her to our nude beach that we began seeing a change in her. Between the visits to the beach, numerous visits to a nude resort with us and a nude vacation with us ... her body acceptance and image issues are a fraction of what they used to be. Our oldest had issues as well and thought cosmetic surgery to enhance her appearance, would help but she's still not completely satisfied. She continually looks at her friends and thinks ... I wish I could look like that. She does ... but not from her eyes to her brain! Most women, even some nudist women, love clothes. My wife is a "conflicted" nudist. She's got more clothes, for a nudist, than I care to see. She still works and needs clothes for work but I don't know if it will deter her buying clothes once she retires. She just likes to look nice when she has to wear clothes. She's had some health issues which have caused her to gain a little weight but to her ... it's tons of weight. NO matter how much I tell her she's not heavy or as heavy as she thinks ... she still sees something different in the mirror. Frequent visits to the club and resort to see other "normal" sized people, our age, help but then we leave and another week passes and those feelings return. I think it's a constant struggle for women to try and look the way they think they should look. It's even more difficult for them when trying on clothes and nothing fits or ... they have to bump up a size ... that's murder! I've heard more cussin' and screams come from the fitting rooms and it wasn't all my wife! Most women are fashion conscious and even though they may be nudists and spend most or more of their time nude than clothed ... it's those times when they are clothed that seem to hit them the hardest. All this carries over to Social Nudity and if a woman isn't satisfied with herself covered ... she'll be much more dissatisfied with herself when she naked and she's not going to want to socialize if she's not feeling good or confident about her appearance while naked. Men ... most men have a "give a crap" attitude about most stuff. I don't care what you think of me, I don't care if you don't like the way I look, I don't care if you don't agree with my opinions or philosophies, I don't care if you think I'm fat, bald, small, short ... I just don't care! Most women do care and that, I think, is part of the issue with Body Acceptance and Social Nudity. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 13, 2012 |
In actuality ... I'm a MOPAR guy. My favorite muscle car is the '68 Dodge Charger. Tough to find one that isn't a bucket of rust or already refurbished and they want an arm and leg for the bucket of rust! LOL Funny thing is ... I've always owned Chevy's but love Dodge's. Go figure! We had a friend that had the only car big enough to carry all of us to school and back ... her parents handed her down a 66 Impala. Scared the hell outta us. She always had to pump the brakes to get the car to stop! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 12, 2012 |
LOL ... I have almost done that. I've gotten as far as "slightly" opening the door and then quickly closed it and then slapped myself upside the head! LOL One other time, my wife and I were in the front seats, our youngest daughter and two grandchildren were in the backseats and we were driving on the freeway and I forgot they were back there because they all had fallen asleep and I started to slip outta my shorts and my wife gave me a "what are you doing" look. Then I remembered...we weren't alone! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 12, 2012 |
Visited with friends last night. When it was time to go home, they walked us out to the car. We said our goodbyes and they stepped away from the car. Like second nature ... I opened the door to my truck and unsnapped and began to unzip my shorts ... til my wife said ... "wait!" Our friends hadn't gone inside yet but that wasn't the issue. I'm so used to driving nude that I wasn't thinking. I need to really take a breath and get inside the truck before I take it to the next step! LOL | |
| Nudist Gear Heads What makes you a gear head? |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 12, 2012 |
Hi Betsy! I love to see women work on cars. I've watched the show All Girls Garage and my favorite show is Overhaulin'. Besides Chip Foose and his incredible designs ... I really love to see Cheri (only female mechanic on the show) get in there and work. She's not afraid to get her hands dirty and she nice looking too! LOL Glad to hear you're interested in cars as well though we have different tastes. I'm a muscle car lover. Since my last post, I'v entered my Chevelle in a few shows and my most proudest moment was winning Best in Class for Muscle Car at the Glen Eden Nude Attitude Car Show where I was the only one that went up and received my plaque in the nude!!! That was fun but this year's show was even better. I didn't win but there were far more nudes mingling with the textiles at the show. Last year, when I won, a bit more cars, less nude people, this year ... a few less cars LOTS more nudes and that's what makes a Nude Car Show great. I've learned more and more about my car and it's operation but still don't consider myself a gearhead. I know what the component parts are, how they operate, how to replace them but I probably couldn't tune a car or set the timing, by myself, know what the best rear end is to put in my car, anything about cams except how they work ... so I do know a bit more about cars than some but still don't consider myself a gear head cuz I don't live and breath cars ... but I admire those that do and especially woman who love cars as much as you do! Take care, thanks for joining the group! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 9, 2012 |
Haven't had it yet! LOL I've been saddled with surgery on both feet since May 4th. I've had one week off where I was able to jump in our pool and NOT have either foot bandaged! By the time I get these stitches out, hopefully, of my right foot...it'll be late July! I think we will have another 2-3 days at our club in the motorhome before my wife returns to work in late Aug. I'll keep ya posted on my fun summer! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 9, 2012 |
This is the kind of stuff that comes back to haunt you. This situation alone will create topics of discussion in a negative way towards AANR. The organization can not afford to continually get negative "press" from it's very membership! I think I read more and more about current members discussing the possibility of "leaving" AANR than I ever read of new people "joining." For those that voted for the status quo ... "ya get what you pay for!" For those that voted for a change of direction ... it's wait again til next election time... and HOPE our candidate's still interested in running again. I'll be sending my letter to AANR and posting my displeasure with this decision on the message board. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 9, 2012 |
Got as little of it in today! Had to run a couple errands and thought ... "haven't driven my classic car in a couple weeks, needs to be started and run a bit," so I fired it up and off I went. After my last stop, the gas station, I slipped in the car, slipped off the shorts and drove home naked! It was the ONLY way to drive that car today!!! It's over 100 degrees here today, my car is black with black interior. I'm lucky I didn't burn something important! LOL Now ... headed out back to do some naked gardening! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 6, 2012 |
I've only had Swedish massages but would like to try some of the others. I prefer a female therapist and have never gotten an erection while being massaged. Our favorite masseuse is Brazilian. She's petite, a nudist and works at a resort we frequent in the caribbean. She's petite but strong and what I enjoy most about her is that she isn't afraid to massage every portion of our bodies except our genitals/crotch area. She's even climbed up onto the table, straddled my legs and put ALL her weight into my back ... it felt incredible! My wife and I tease her all the time and tell her we're bringing her and her son home with us! She's is THAT good. Most times therapists will avoid massaging your inner thigh and stay very clear of your genitals so only about 1/2 of the inner thigh is massaged. Many will not massage your entire buttocks but this woman is confident and professional but understands the meaning of full body massage. It could be that much of this comes with building that bond and trust with your therapist that the massage, you are comfortable with, is learned from session after session after session. That's why I talk with my new therapist the first several times. They need to get to know me and understand that I'm not looking for "happy ending" massages but don't want them shying away from my inner thigh and butt! I did have one massage at a resort where the therapist wasn't shy about my inner thigh or buttocks. She even grazed by scrotum a few times on both sides. She was a big woman. She twisted me and bent me but it was hard to enjoy because she was breathing pretty hard and grunting while she turned me into a pretzel! LOL I really feel that you can get a full body massage from either a male or female therapist and if you're concentrating more on relaxation and less on where their hands are ... you'll find you won't get the erection your afraid of getting. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 5, 2012 |
High profile vehicles with dark tinted windows give you the most privacy and optimum opportunities for nude driving at all times of the day ... But ... you still have to be aware of your surroundings. Even in my high profile truck with dark tint, I have to be aware of motorhomes and semi's. When the sun is shinning into the vehicle from the driver's side, it's possible to be seen naked, below the waist as the interior is brightened right on your lap. I never park directly inline with semi's and motorhomes. I always try and stay back from their drivers or passenger windows or at least a 1/2 a car length ahead. If these high profile vehicles start to come inline of sight with my now illuminated lap ... I reach down and just put my shorts over my lap. I don't worry about being completely covered ... as long as the penis is covered ... that's all I care about. Low profile vehicles are a bit tricker. My 67 Chevelle sits really low and so I limit my naked driving in it to deserted roads, much later in the day and evening/night driving. I'm really conflicted on tinting the windows on this car. It would help with driving nude BUT ... it may detract from the look of the car ... so that's why it's not been done. I just adjust my naked driving time in that car. A button up shirt is a great option and one my wife uses when she rides nude. You could be driving in your underwear, a thong or g-string with that shirt on for all those around you know. As long as you take one tail of the shirt and cover you penis when you think another vehicle can see in ... in my opinion, you'll be okay. I have done that in the Chevelle and it's worked out just fine. Good luck! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 4, 2012 |
Is this part of the SCNA group? | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 1, 2012 |
Yeah ... I thought about that. I think I'll just slip on the shorts and go in and sit and get served. Don't want to spend too much time in the car. We have to be gone most of the day. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 1, 2012 |
As a Moderator on several naturist sites, I find this situation very common. On one site, in particular, men can read the postings in the "woman's section" but can not post. But most sites allow men to post in the "woman's section." What happens is a female member starts a thread on a particular female topic and the lonely or bored guy sitting at the computer chimes in ... of course, after he apologizes for posting in a "woman's only" section. Then he begins to tell them what's wrong with them and guess what happens ... the "woman's section" is taken over by the guys ... again. Conjecture by many men, not just nudist men, on how a woman feels, should feel, must feel, is only relevent to the woman he's married to or dating for quite sometime and they are very open with their communication. I find it difficult for most female members to chime in on a topic when the topic turns negative about their reasons for wearing something at a nudist park. With some of the opinions stated, I can see why many other female members don't chime in ... we've already got guys here that know all the answers from a woman's point of view! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 1, 2012 |
If the left foot's current condition is any indication ... it will be successful. It literally hurt to walk. Any flexing or bending of the large toes hurt like heck. Replacing both joints will make it easier to chase after my grandkids and the Prof! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jul 1, 2012 |
No "driving" for me for at least two weeks with this foot recently operated on and bandaged to the hilt! But ... I CAN ride nude! LOL | |
| Absolute Naturists Underwear, Outerwear, and Swimwear |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 30, 2012 |
Oh ... there's no doubt. It's just typical young hypocritical behavior ... especially from some of the younger females that dress down to this level! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 30, 2012 |
What also does not make any sense ... is the bikinis worn by young women at some of the more "party" atmosphere areas ... like Lake Havasu, AZ. We've strolled through the marina, cruised on our PWC's and you see these absolutely nothing bathing suits that barely cover anything except the vaginal opening, the anus and the nipples but leaves nothing else to the imagination. What's the point of wearing something so revealing and paying 80-100 dollars or more for? Several shops in the marina at Lake Havasu sell pasties. There are almost as many young females wearing pasties instead of tops and ... it's okay there? Haven't seen any of these ladies hauled off to a police car or told to put on a top. Some of these bathing suits they wear, both top and bottom are opaque dry but really see thru when wet. Are they still legally covered? We have this circle of aquaintances, baseball moms, that are in their mid to late 30's. My wife and I joke that ... if they knew we were nudists, they may not allow us to even watch their kids play ball but ... more times than not, these women sit on the bleachers and wear the low rise jeans with their g-strings or thongs showing. We went to a minor league ball park to watch a game with this same group. The boys got to run out on the field and were introduced by the announcer for winning a local tournament. Before going into the park, we assembled outside the park and these moms walked up and we all greeted each other. Three of these moms had on low cut t shirts with their lace bras showing and we asked our daughter, who is the same age and friends with them ... "what's with the lace part of the bra showing?" She said ... "oh, some of the girls wear it like that for an even more feminine look." I guess you miss some of these new fashion trends from our textile counterparts when ... you're a nudist! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 28, 2012 |
[Rabbit Quote... Nudism is a family activity. I do agree, that it's not my job to be a substitute parent, and as long as parents BE parents. so much the better. End Quote] I will agree that "some" parents can be less concerned about what their kids are doing and that they "may" be bothering others ... BUT ... Equally as bothersome are the old fuddy duddies that forgot when they were kids and expect kids nowadays to be as quiet as the fuddy duddies. You're right ... it's NOT your job to be substitute parents and if you don't have the balls to go up to the parents and say something other than to mutter snide remarks about the kids and parents ... then you don't have anyone to blame but yourself. I was in the pool with a bunch of ol' farts. I was on the outskirts of their conversation. A young woman with her two kids were on the pool deck. The kids couldn't wait to get in the pool. She gave the word, the kids jumped in away from the ol' fart circle but ... a couple of the ol' farts ended up with a drop or two of water on their faces, hats, hair ... whatever but they both about had a fricken fit! My only comment in their conversation ... "if you didn't want to get wet ... you sure picked a hell of a place to stay dry!" Funny ... those two don't talk to me anymore! LOL No loss ... I wasn't part of their ol' farts club anyway! ;) Kids are kids; they laugh loudly, they talk loudly, they like to run, it takes several times telling them the same damn thing over and over again til they get it and sometimes ... they forget it! The problem I've seen is there are ol' farts that like to make everything, on the pool deck, at the club, in the pool and everywhere else they are, their business. If a kid whines, cries, acts up ... they are so upset and offended that the parents aren't doing anything. Maybe they have or will ... parents are different nowadays, just like our parents were and we were. WE ARE NOT going to turn back the clock to the "good ol' days." Get over it! It really isn't the end of the world when kids act like kids! :) | |
| Clothing Optional Bed & Breakfasts New Clothing Optional B&B Coming to SoCal |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 28, 2012 |
We cannot comment on this new B&B because we havent' visited yet ... but ... can attest to the friendliness of the owners! Can't believe we live about an hour and a half from these new friends and we find it so hard to meet up and get together. We first met these owners at Olive Dell Nudist Ranch in Colton, CA where we were participating in the 5K Naked Burro Run. Then again miles and miles north at Laguna Del Sol where we were able to spend a bit more time together. Great people ... so I'd have to say that your experience at this new B & B should be excellent! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 28, 2012 |
We are planning on tearing out our backyard lawn and putting in a artificial turf with a putting green and about 4-5 holes. That's about as close as I'm gonna get to playing golf naked in the next year or so ... til I get travelin' to Cypress Cove or La Jenny in France! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 28, 2012 |
Had to roll into action a few weeks ago. We were at my grandson's baseball game. Warm day but not hot. One of the other kids on the opposite team did the ol' spin move and dropped to the ground like a sack o potatos! Momentarily unconscious so once he regained consciousness, another medic from my department, his son play on this injured boy's team, took over treatment before the medic ambulance arrived. We suspected dehydration, got him some gator aid and into the shade. Medics got him in the ambulance and then's where the event's afterwards make me glad I'm retired. Seems the ambulance company, out that way, is pushing for exclusive Emergency Medical services and pushing the Fire Dept out. I've had a few cases like this and it makes for some pretty heated incidents. To make things worse ... the ambulance medics talked the parents into taking the kid into an Urgent care because, in my opinion, they didn't want to take themselves outta service for this run. We tried to convince the medics and parents to just take him in but ... who knows why they decided what they did. The parents and kid didn't make it to Urgent care cuz the boy became lethargic and unresponsive so luckily they were near our hospital/Trauma Ctr and rolled in there. From what I hear ... the crap's hittin' the fan over that run. Just glad the kids okay and we saw him a few days ago playing against our grandson's team again. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 28, 2012 |
My surgery was postponed for a week and it will happen tomorrow! Really kinda messing with our naked camping plans but ... my wife said that as soon as I am able to drive the motorhome ... she wants to go to the club and naked camp for a few days. Still up in the air if the drive to Sacramento is still in the works. Hoping this foot heals quicker, like the doctor says it will, and we can hit the road and camp up north at Laguna del Sol. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 28, 2012 |
I haven't posted in a while with an update on my new masseuse and the incidental/accidental exposing when I walked her to the door. She's called and asked how I was and I told her about my surgery and upcoming surgery so we put the sessions on hold for a few weeks more. I like that she's at least staying in contact! :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Updating your photo. Should it be mandatory? |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 28, 2012 |
Hey SB ... nice pick from your collection! That's a great picture. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 27, 2012 |
I look the same just a little bit more grey hair! LOL | |
| AANR Updates AANR 2012 Election Results |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 26, 2012 |
Hmmmm... Didn't see this outcome at all. Sorry you didn't make it this time Brian. I know you and I don't agree on everything but I felt that AANR had a chance to do some real good with you at the helm. A young,energetic, openminded person that would accept change willingly. I don't see any change in policies or the direction of AANR until that happens. I think many of us hope you don't give up and get back in there next election so that those changes you would have suggested or made, this time around, can still be done in the future. Real mixed emotions from the results of this election ... for this AANR member. :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudist Norms and Styles by Geography |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 25, 2012 |
LOL ... I was typing a whole thing on East Coast/ West Coast and then my grandkids showed up... had to dump it and so I'll now start over. We have yet to visit "many" clubs as some people have the ability to, but we have visited a few and they fall precisely as SB has stated. We've visited several here on the West Coast. Fashion seems to start on both coasts and then melts/gravitates to the middle of the country. We've witnessed this when we visited CO. They aren't that far behind the "fashion" curve but it is noticible ... even at the nude venues. We've been to clubs and resorts in California and Florida and both clubs/resorts are about the same ... lots of glitz, bling, body jewelry, piercings, tats (of more of a body art aspect). In a couple of places away from So. Cal, WA, OR, CO ... they are a bit more simple and just all about the being naked part. Here in So Cal and in Florida ... hell ... even their flip flops were heeled and blinged! There is an "air" about some of the people that come from certain portions of So Cal. It also has to do with the places these people come from ... residents, local members or members from a ways away. We have them come from OC, Palm Springs and they seem to be the "fashion nudists," we have them come from San Bernadino, Los Angeles and Riverside Co's and they are less blingified, less mini pareos, mini skirts, less high heels, less body bling and less cliquish. But ... nonetheless ... a bit of fashion in some way then just being naked as we've noticed in AZ, WA, OR and CO. Florida: not sure our visit to two resorts in FL is a good example. One of the resorts was headed in a sexually charged environment and other was more like our club here at home. A spattering of regular ol' nudists and everything from body jewelry to heels, mini's and the like. The large sexually charge resort was over the top with bling, fashion (fishnet body suits, crotchless panties, leather wear, stripper heels ... and escorted by a fully dressd man! I don't think it's any different in the nudist community as it is in the textile. We have friends that live in affluent areas, they flaunt their cars, their clothes and zip codes ... they don't have a pot to piss in but ... they get a charge outta trying to make people think they have more than others. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 25, 2012 |
[Rabbit Quote ... but that reason doesn't apply to most of the women wearing something to cover up. End Quote] Please enlighten us Mr. Rabbit ... what reasons are these women wearing a sarong ... that is so wrong? | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 25, 2012 |
We've had input, on this thread, from two women I know. I asked them outright, face to face and gave their answers. We have three female members of this group, they are nudists and frequent contributors and members of NCH. We've had a few guys chime in about their wive's or girlfriends that have given their views on wearing sarongs. Yet ... we still have those few guys that are so against the idea that a woman just feels like wearing something around her butt. It's not against you, it's not against me, it's not against nudity, it's not against nudism ... it's something they do for themselves. It shouldn't concern us why they wear them ... all we should concern ourselves with is that they are present and participating in some way. There are nude clubs, there are clothing optional clubs. Each and every club Mr. Spence has been to has either been one or the other or a mixture of both. The fact is ... no matter what kind of club you visit, there will ALWAYS be some that are covered for one reason or another. Are we to question each and every woman why it is she is wearing shorts, wearing a skirt, wearing a sarong? Are you guys ready to ask these questions and get a "none of your damn business!" When my wife was going through "the change" ... the last thing she wanted to do was expose her lower half. She hated having to cover it but it was necessary and it made her feel like she was still participating but wasn't going to embarrass herself at some point. Our (male nudists) goal is to get more females involved, younger people involved, families involved and ALL "some" of you do is continue to come up with reasons for them not to join in. Reasons that solidify what their fears and concerns are about nudism and why guys want them to join ... so their bottom halves are constantly exposed. A few may have some issues with this stance. A few definately are 180 degrees the opposite direction ... and some are still searching for that woman that will understand and partake in this lifestyle with them. If you do find that woman, make sure you tell her how you feel about her wearing a sarong ... ever ... and see if she stays with you or ... participates at all. Good luck! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 25, 2012 |
FireProf, if you have an issue, take it up with Brian. He and I seem to be on the same page with this particular topic. LOL ... what are you shootin' for ... "Teacher's Pet!" LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 25, 2012 |
[ Rabbit Quote... If women are afraid about what men are looking at, then maybe they should stay entirely dressed. Why wear something considered sexy, when a pair of shorts or jeans will do the job. End Quote] Keep thinkin' the way you do Rabbit! That's gonna solve everything! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 24, 2012 |
I can only answer this question from what my wife and our female nudist friends have told me. They will wear a sarong for a couple of reasons. One; they are not quite comfortable with those they don't know looking at their pubic area. They are uncomfortable with guys they don't know critiquing their grooming standards or lack there of. It is easier for them to sit and not be over conscious of the way their legs are ... with a sarong, they don't "have" to have their legs crossed to keep eyes from looking between them The second reason; Women, most women have some body issues. Regardless of how much you tell them they look fabulous ... they look in the mirror and see something different. One of the areas a woman is most conscious of is her BUTT. If she doesn't feel that great about it's appearance ... she's gonna cover it, disguise it, camoflauge it ... With a sarong, they can be naked but ... address some of the concerns they have. What is distressing is that ... now some have issues with women wearing sarongs. Who cares? When you continue to make women feel insecure, uncomfortable, stressed and fearful ... YOU LOSE them and then ... they'll be nothing but guys in this lifestyle and it's just about what we have now! Guys complain there aren't enough women, their wive's aren't interested, they can't find a female friend to partake ... what do you expect when you constantly give them reasons for not joining in? A sarong is a pre-requisite to becoming a nudist woman ... is that SO- Wrong? ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 24, 2012 |
What SB has described ... is what I hope to someday live. We visit our club often and take walks a couple times each visit. I'm surprised that my wife is actually the one that wants to go see what is up for sale. LOL Anyway ... we see outside vendors, contractors, delivery people thoughout the community working and the residents just going about their daily lives without a care in the world. I posted this story once before but remember a woman coming to the pool and talking to a few friends then she left. She then came back but was clothed. She told her friends she'd be right back and get in the pool with them. They asked her ... "what the hell are you doin' wearing clothes?" She said that the workers at her house weren't getting any work done while she was painting the outside in the nude and so she decided to put clothes on to finish ... so they'd get to work. I'd love to have outsiders come into "our" nudist environment and interact with them just as everyone else does outside the nudist community. It's an empowering feeling being nude with clothed people, just like SB said. When I did have occasion to do that ... it made me feel amazing that I was so comfortable being naked amongst clothed people and it didn't bother me a bit. I'd just like to live that way in a nudist community. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 24, 2012 |
I don't remember seeing this question asked! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 23, 2012 |
Something doesn't sound right Jaybird. Are you married? GE does allow single males to visit and join. They may have some scewed rules and policies about when single males can come for a tour and that rumor has been disputed but my wife and I have seen numerous single males being given tours of the club. Have you tried Olive Dell Nudist Ranch in Colton? They are single friendly. Maybe they are a better bet for you but ... if you're married and you are trying to visit without your wife ... I don't think either club will allow you to do that. I don't agree with that policy ... but it's their policy. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 23, 2012 |
First and foremost ... congrats on getting the wife to join you in some skinny dippin'. The trick is to not push and they'll come around at their own pace. We've traveled outside the state and into the mid-west and east coast. For Southern Californians, it's different, seeing all the areas, states, communities where the residential areas don't have fences or walls so that you have privacy in your back yard. We've watched that show, House Hunters and also seen the non-private backyards in many of the cities and towns people live in or are buying a home. For us here, we are very, very property line driven, have bounderies and most of all, want our privacy. What I don't understand is that when these homes are built and I realize they are built a certain way to make money for the developer ... they leave little in terms of privacy. Short fences (5'), short block walls (less than 6') and homes right next to each other with windows looking down on each others backyards. That's not providing privacy. We are uncertain what and where we will end up when my wife retires. We've joked about a high rise condo in downtown San Diego with a view of the bay. With that, we'd probably rent and buy a place at our nude club and use that when we need to have more room to roam naked besides our 1500 sq ft. condo. It would be nice to stay here but with the current privacy, the homeowners association and the size of this home ... it doesn't seem like a financially good idea. I enjoy our home but sure am envious of many here that have acreage and can be naked all the time with neighbors close by but not right on top of you. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 22, 2012 |
It is hard NOT to drive nude once you've done it and you like it. I have a classic muscle car without tinted windows and it sits much lower than lots of cars. I don't drive this car naked much but when I do ... I'm always in the slow lane. When I pass, I do so ... quickly. Most times if I want to drive naked in this car ... I do it at night. Ya just gotta play it smart and do it when it's safe. Not worth taking chances if there's a big possibility that you'll get caught. Take advantage when you can ... that's what I do. : ) | |
| Absolute Naturists When Did Nudist Clubs Die? |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 22, 2012 |
Clubs and resorts seem to appeal to most but there are those that don't like or able to partake in that naturist enviroment; too many rules, too stark, too much concrete ... not their kinda naturism. Other reasons are location, cost and entrance policies. I don't know that clubs will die off completely. I suspect and fear the too many others will close because the current residents will die off and others will find other things to do and ways to live. My wife and I have done our part to replace us within the naturist communty by exposing our daughter's, our grandkids and many of our daughter's friends to naturism. They are partaking on their own at home and occasionally at someone's pool but have not ventured into the club or resort scene yet but they want to very much. I think with the younger naturists, they are currently satisfied with doing things on their own, at friends homes, at a beach or in the woods ... etc., but I do think they will tire of that and want more social interaction and visit a club or resort later in their lives ... so I don't see Nudist Clubs dying but I do see too many more ... closing. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 22, 2012 |
When my wife rides nude ... she isn't completely nude. She will wear a shirt because a man's bare chest is pretty normal in warm places but a woman's bare chest will cause distraction. My wife will also open, when possible, or close her shirt/blouse when needed. We've returned from the beach late in the day and she's left her shirt open but when we hit traffic, she closes it ... even though I have dark tint on the truck and they can't see in ... just makes her feel better. Driving with a shirt or blouse on doesn't make you any less driving nude then wearing a pair of flip flops makes you less nude. I don't agree with the argument that you have to have everything off to be considered nude. If I'm driving nude, it's cold out and I don't want the heater on ... I'll put on a shirt, long sleeve t shirt, zip up sweatshirt and I still consider myself driving nude! Driving nude, for some, may be easier to do in the evening hours when it's darker out. Ya need to be aware of your surroundings and just take precautions to overhead lighting, high profile vehicles and of course ... always wear your seat belt because with bare skin ... that belt shows up easier than with clothes on and you don't want to be stopped for not wearing your seat belt. I would think that dark tint would be normal for every car in the Vegas area. It gets dang hot out there and that's one of the reasons the cops,here, stopped writing tickets for dark tinted windows, it helps keep the temp inside the cars down ... just a little. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 20, 2012 |
I got over 3 hours of naked driving in today. I had a Dr's appt. an hour and a half from home and then the ride home. Stopped and drove thru the drive thru for something to eat on the way home. Thanks to a high profile truck ... no need to cover ... he couldn't see into my truck anyway. I even stopped at a light, motioned to a panhandler to come over to the truck where I handed him a couple bucks. How often? As often as I possibly can. I've just run errands around town and just slip on and off the shorts and t shirt at every place I have to get out of the truck. I now carry my mesh shorts with me so I can just slip those on when I stop for fuel. Where? Everywhere! To the bank, Starbucks, the store, Home Depot ... I just get in, take off the shorts and t shirt and hit the road. To appt's out of town, to the club, on vacation I've even driven our rental cars in the nude in every state and even other countries when on vacation. It's relaxing, I drive better, I'm more observant ... I come home less stressed even after driving in bumper to bumper traffic. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 19, 2012 |
Probably not in the front seat there Jim. It's pretty exposed up front for a woman. Not much in the way of keepin' the big rig drivers eyes on the road with a female's breasts in plain sight. She'll most likely wear one of my shirts or one of hers and when the time's right ... she'll open it up and reveal her "air bra!" LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 19, 2012 |
Had to make some other plans and arrangements. I messed up our reservations for our naked motorhome drive up to Central CA and now we have to go to Plan B. But wait ... as luck would have it ... the Prof gave us a thumbs up for a even further naked drive up to Nor CA in the motorhome after we return from Central CA. On thing's for sure ... I'll be getting lots and lots of naked driving in at the end of July! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 19, 2012 |
Surgery on Friday and then I'll be laid up for about 2-3 weeks before any real driving can take place. Our camping trip at the end of July has had to be re-planned. There are no sites available so we will be driving up to Central CA in our car and when we return home, we will evaluate the foot issue and if I'm good to go, we will load the motorhome, gas it up and strip off our clothes and head north the first part of Aug to do some naked camping at Laguna Del Sol and then a visit with family near Sacramento! Life has a way of messing with your plans but ... we adapt and overcome and will make it work to our benefit the best we can. Worse case ... we spend a few nights naked camping at our club ... worse case LOL ... if that's some worse case ... I'll take it! | |
| Absolute Naturists Would you prefer to be identified at a Naturist or a Nudist? |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 19, 2012 |
I happen to enjoy both settings, nature and the club or resort environment. I'm a social person by nature so ... if I'm not just hanging out with my wife or our close nude friends, then I prefer the club/resort setting. There are those that can go off on their own and hike and camp all by themselves. I could do that but much prefer sharing that experience with someone else. Policies at clubs and resorts vary, even from issue/item to issue/item. Club/resort staff, managers and owners have a set of rules but they are enforced differently for guests, repeat guests, members, frequent members, residents and staff that do their jobs or suppose to do their jobs in the nude. So there's one answer to your question. With regards to wondering if you're missing something ... I'd have to say, try it once, during the week and then once on the weekend. Let your experience tell you if it's right for you. I see everyone's reason's for identifying themselves as one of the other ... or both. I think it's just difficult to pigeon hole yourself into one specific category, with regards to a label, if you indeed like being nude whenever and wherever you can. :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Who should nudist fear most? |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 19, 2012 |
[SunBuny Quote; DUDE! Put an apron on and Bake It, geez...just try not to drag anything in the cake batter. LMAO End Quote] Geez is right! You make it sound so easy ... "put on an apron!" LMAO I don't know if we own an apron! LOL Ok ... give me a week or so and I'll see what I can do. Standby for an update. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 16, 2012 |
Nudony... you are absolutely right. For some women, it's a constant struggle, constant fear, constant voices in the back of their minds telling them ... it's not right. I talked in length with my wife today while sitting on our lounges at the club. This morning, SHE suggested we go to the club and "get naked for the day with other people." She isn't always willing to be that willing in the social setting. She's more than willing and most times, can't wait to take her clothes off here at home ... but it's not always that way in a public setting. When we arrived at the club this morning ... she was lifting off her sundress as she was getting out of the car!!! Most times she'll put on her SunPrecautions shirt and walk from the car to the lounge but today ... butt naked all the way to the lounges and ALL day long! When I asked ... "what gives?" She was willing to open up and say ... "some days are better days then others. Some days I feel good about myself, others I do not. I have body images issues and it's difficult to fight them off some days. When those days hit ... my comfort zone is home, alone or with you and not any place else. I wish I had ALL good days but ... regretably ... I don't and I don't think women have all good days." That is probably true. My wife also said she is somedays concerned that people are looking and critiquing the way she looks. I think she looks great, she thinks otherwise and we all know that many women suffer from this and this is the reason many females find it difficult to be nudists or even try nudism. "Everyone looks," I told her. She said ... " I know and today, I don't care if they look but there are days ... I do care and those are the days ... I prefer the only one looking is you." We all have our good days and bad, in everyday life. But ... with nudism, they maybe having a good day at home or in a textile environment but not having a good day with regards to nudism and that is what "we" need to work around. And from the Prof's lips: "When I have those not so good days ... I need patience and understanding. I've not given up on nudism or who I am ... I'm just off balance and when I regain my balance ... we'll get back to what I like doing and that's getting naked with you everywhere, not just at home." Can't argue with that! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 16, 2012 |
My nude/clothed interaction used to happen at work. My crew knew I was a nudist. They expected to see me nude when the opportunity arose ... even at work. This interaction happen in a few of places, the locker room, the head/shower or either my dorm or the main dorm. In the beginning ... I would stand at my locker and face the locker while we talked but gradually ... I began to face them, one by one or in a group and we'd just talk or they'd have a question, concern and we talk about it. After a while, they'd knock on my dorm door, knowing I was naked and come in and talk about any number of things. A few would even pull up a chair and sit for periods of time to talk about an issue they were having, a problem at the hospital or with a particular co worker. Too many times to count ... I was standing or sitting naked while my co workers were fully dressed and we'd converse. It became a non issue quite rapidly and I really only had one guy that had a problem with it, said something about it, then ... after I'd made arrangements for both of us to encounter one another when I was nude ... he broke the arrangements and then told me ... "it really doesn't bother me as much as I thought it did." I good with it ... as long as the clothed person is! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 15, 2012 |
Brian, I wish I had the magic answer. I really don't but ... an "open door" policy is something that truly doesn't work either. I Moderate a site that is very particular about who we let in. We screen potential members, then watch them closely for any ... "red flags" and if and when they seem to be there for the right reasons, after a reasonable amount of time, we allow them "full membership" status. Our annual dues over there is quite a bit cheaper than it is here but ... the new members have zero access to pictures until they become full members and they can't become full members til they prove themselves there for the right reasons. That's NOT always the best way cuz ... maybe we lose some good people because of our policy I see tons of members here but ... it seems like the same people posting on the same groups, the same people posting on the status updates ... and ... seems like the same people from site to site to site. I know that few, some, many come to read and don't care to post or don't feel the need to post but how can you come to a site and not post or log on for months and months and be here for the right reasons. Seems strange for people to join a nudist social network and ... NOT socialize! :) We are lucky here, even with some of our more heated topics ... we, NCH, are NOWHERE near the uncivil range some sites get to. I don't personally think you can "over moderate" when it becomes uncivil but ... some Admins do think that some Mods do. The reason for my last post was not to bash NCH, it's policies or criticize what goes on here. It's a fact, just as you said, guys here complain about there not being enough gals here and as soon as one joins ... they are all over her like flies. Heck ... even some of the married women are experiencing this. Maybe we start by temporarily banning the pests. When the word gets out that we won't tolerate pests ... they'll tone down the pestering! LOL I'll kick it around in my head and if I can come up with any other suggestions, I'll email them to you and we can further discuss this via email so we don't further hijack the thread! I appreciate you chiming in on this and being open to suggestions. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 15, 2012 |
I don't think this site is any different than most sites. I've become close friends with several female nudists on several sites. Each one of them has told me the same story. "I no sooner join and I get dozens of "friend" requests, video cam chat requests, picture requests ..." There is a story ... why it is that many of the naturist sites, that start out with the right idea ... go off on the wrong path? Why is it more important to get as many members as you possibly can, then to only allow those that are really there for the right reasons ... and ... when you find that there are those here for the wrong reasons, why are they not removed? (for the record, I'm not only speaking of NCH) The larger sites seem to be focused on numbers. Is it all about money? Is it the paying members that are more important than the real people that are here to discuss issues pretaining to our lifestyle and NOT about pictures, video chat and obtaining a record amount of friends. I've made several female friends here. One left, dissatisfied with the site and some people ( I think me included). A couple I still communicate with but rarely on the boards and one that could hold her own in a full scale war! ;) But they all have the same issues with the amount of attention they all of a sudden get, once they make their presence known and at first it may be flattering but then it becomes annoying and the only way out ... is to either be invisible or leave. Ya can't change the way some guys react to the presence of a female nudist that is willing to communicate. And ... until they do, in my opinion, you'll not get the female interaction and contribution we would like to see. :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Would you prefer to be identified at a Naturist or a Nudist? |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 15, 2012 |
I get the whole ... being with nature and such. We both enjoy being naked in nature but ... we also enjoy living naked here at home, in our backyard, at the beach, at the club, a resort ... we'd just rather be naked and we take advantage of it wherever we are. Nudism is NOT a recreational thing with us. It's the way we live! We don't do this on weekends, vacations, just for the heck of it ... it's a way of life for us. Is it ONLY naturists that are the one true naked people within this community? What are those that visit nature occasionally but not frequently? Recreational naturists? That's what I don't get about the whole naturist/nudist thing and why some seem to still wanna make a distinction and difference between the two. Are we not a naturist because we don't ONLY get naked in nature? What about those "naturists" that get naked at home when they are unable to be naked in nature ... are they not naturists because they get naked at home? The whole ... "this word sounds better and less offensive or derogatory" argument seems just like ... reason to debate an issue ... where there really isn't an issue. I'd rather we debated, in length, about cell phone policies at clubs and resorts, gender balance policies, married but visiting alone policies ... much more important issues than to debate who's a nudist and who's a naturist. They've ALWAYS meant the same thing to me. I love nature and I love being naked in nature but then again ... I love being naked anywhere I can ... from home to the car to wherever I'm going ... to stay naked. The only distinction I've made between people who enjoy being naked are; Those that live it anytime and everytime they can ... and those that just do it on vacation or a few times a year just for something ... different to do. :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 14, 2012 |
We have some very close nudist friends that have 3 older children, two in college, one in HS. The HS age child is female. She was their "nudist child." She'd walk around the house naked, swim naked and get in the hot tub with them in the evenings, naked. She loved it. Then one day, outta the blue, they get a note that asks ... "can you please not be naked around me anymore." They were hurt and didn't understand but attempts to talk to her about it were not accepted. They respected her wishes and had to either leave the house and property or wait til they knew she was going to be gone long enough to enjoy some naked time. Not long had passed before this same child began making comments about not wanting to or having to wear clothes. It seems she had been discussing nudity with friends, got some negative reactions and that's what caused her to give it up but ... she later realized that what her friends were telling her was a bunch of bunk and she returned to her senses. She's not the free spirit she once was but at least she's changed her thoughts about simple nudity and though she isn't hanging out with her parents in the nude, she's accepting of their nudity and has loosened up much more about casual nudity around the house. Our girls did this. It took over 20 yrs but ... their upbringing and the casual and normalcy of our nudity when they were young, resurfaced and though they are not nudists like us ... they enjoy nudity as a form of recreation and vacation. I think if we had forced it on them, they wouldn't have returned but giving them their space and allowing for open conversation and explanation ... they were willing to return to their roots! :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 13, 2012 |
Okay ... if I had to pick a guy or two to hang with ... it would be these three; The late; Paul Newman Robert Redford and Clint Eastwood. I'm thinking that my wife is gonna want to tag along though! LMAO :D | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 13, 2012 |
SB Quote: I find it interesting that the guys are just choosing women. Why is that? I have no problem being with either men or women when I am nude. End Quote Guys are boring. I already know what they think. I want to delve deep into the female psyche! LOL You believe me ... don't you!?? ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 13, 2012 |
hey ... that's enough for me! I love this woman and ... like I said ... I'm not attracted to latin women! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 13, 2012 |
Nudony ... you and I agree 100% that; "One great myth, IMHO, is choosing CO for a "gradual approach" to nudism. I've had several conversations with people over this, some of which disagreed very much with me. But I am convinced that CO does not faciliate eventually going nude." Nudony Quote I honestly believe that if someone is gonna get nude and give it a real try ... they'll do it quite quickly. Those that say they need days and weeks to adapt ... will not do it. My wife was NOT willing to take her nudism social or public. When she got to the beach and sat in her shorts and t shirt ... it was for less than 10 mins before she was naked and has never looked back on social, public nudity. If "she" can do it that soon ... I find it difficult for it to take days and weeks for someone to adapt and at least try it. Beaches pose the best way to try it. Find a place away from everyone else and give it a go. Next ... is a club; clubs provide the true social aspect of naturism and what this is about. You can stay in lodging or accomodations by the club or RV it and get naked in your own area and interact with those passing by and when you feel more confident ... head to the pool deck and rec ctr. There needs to be a definate "timeline" for those that say they need time to adjust. If you can't adjust within a reasonable time ... then it's not for you and you shouldn't be allowed to continue to visit, stay or live in a nudist community. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 13, 2012 |
I've stated this before ... several of the ladies in the front office of our club are nudists and residents of the club. I've seen most of them give tours in the nude and after they were off, they would come and mingle with other guests or residents at the pool, cafe or rec center. I think some simple repositioning of gates and counter could give residents and guest the best of both worlds ... for our club anyway. A new "front" entrance for outside vendors; such as FedEx, USPS, UPS ... could come to the new front door and be greeted by someone covered or clothed. With some screening, the front office could still be connected but those office staff that want to work nude can and they can greet members and residents in the nude at the othe counter. This all takes money and there hasn't been enough banter or reason for the club to change so ... I guess we'll just live with what we got. I could cut down on A/C costs! LOL What I didn't like was supposedly ... nudist owners, at one resort, ALWAYS clothed completely and being the naked police to others, like my wife, who had had enough sun and put on a shirt. I discussed this with the manager but he came up with some lame excuse for the owners. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 13, 2012 |
I think for a latin woman ... Salma Hayek is quite comfortable naked and would be fun to be nude with. She's amazing and ... even though I'm latin ... I'm not into latin women ... BUT ... I make an exception with Salma! :D How do I post a picture of her!!? | |
| Absolute Naturists Does Being a Nudist Take the Thrill Out of Life? |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 13, 2012 |
Being nude is and has been for over 38 yrs ... a normal way of life for us. I agree that being nude can lose it "thrill" but for us ... it never really was a "thrill", except for the very beginning. It just became a way we lived. Our "thrill" still surfaces when we visit new places. We still get that thrill when we visit a nude beach, our nude beach or a new club, resort or our friend's homes. New surroundings can still give you that initial thrill of being nude. But ... at home, everyday... sure, it can lose that thrill but ... we wouldn't change it. :) | |
| Absolute Naturists What Would be your dream community |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 13, 2012 |
The old "colony" has been replace with ... "enclave." LOL This took place for one nudist club outside of Tucson, AZ. Jardin Del Sol was parceled off and 14 (I believe) properties were sold to "nudists." It became a nudist "enclave." I visited just before it closed and was the parcels were sold. I talked with and interviewed then given information by the female owner about buying a parcel. She approached me with the offer but we did not want pack up and move to AZ. We'd just bought our current home and still enjoy where we live. No stores or other conveniences but a gate community of nudists just the same. Only problem ... this property exists off the beaten path and I'd love to see a nudist community right in the heart of the city where it mingles and intertwines with neighboring textile tracts. I wonder about our tract of homes and how successful it would have been to sell just to nudists. Gate the tract off, supply ample landscaping and positions of walls and fencing and ... there you go, a nude community within the city. There are two schools within our tract, an elementary and a middle school and a fire station. No markets or other conveniences but ... even those that live in clubs still leave to go shopping. We definately have enough nudist teachers and firefighters that we could staff these jobs ... but ... realistically, you'd have to find ALL those nudists that would be willing to relocate to a specific location where this community exists. It would be so much easier for others to just get over themselves and accept people for what and who they are. If a man or woman walks out to their front yard and picks up the paper nude ... why is it the most horrible thing someone's seen? If a man or woman walks down to the mail box naked to get their mail ... why is so terrible that the cops need to be called? We've had our youngest grandkids out in our front yard ... naked playing in a small pool and the sprinklers. It was not planned, just a spontaneous act. The neighbors commented ... "that was so sweet to watch. They were having so much fun and laughing. We laughed too." Now ... if I were sitting out there naked, watching ... what am I ... a perv? Is my nudity disgusting? For us it isn't but for TOO many, it becomes easier for them to just say these types of things, go with the crowd, then to truly think about it and say ... "it's okay with me!" We all have reasons for living where we live and we can't all just pack up and leave our lives because we want to live naked 24/7, 365. I get to almost do that now within my current home and backyard but I do yearn for the ability, many days, to walk out my front door, go get my mail and visit with my neighbors ... in the nude and go eat at the local Cafe with just a towel to sit on. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Clothing Optional vs Clothing Tolerant...Is there a difference? |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 13, 2012 |
Armadillo is correct in his observations of life within the gates and walls of "nudist" communities and developments. At our club ... we see clothed, FULLY clothed, residents ALL the time and it's dang hot out here. There's not sun precautions, they are just ALWAYS clothed. My wife has had issues with the sun and had several pre cancer spots removed so she is very cautious and I don't think anyone thinks twice about the times she dons her SunPrecautions shirts to protect her from too much sun. At our club ... we have tour guides giving tours of clothed people and the tour guides are clothed. Why is it the front desk/office is SO adament about my daughter and son in law taking a tour in the nude but so many of these people are clothed? "Excuses are like A holes ... everybody's got one"... but this is not getting better, it's getting worse and it's not just at our club but at many clubs and resorts we visit. All of a sudden ... "it's too cold" for residents to be naked but they love to come around the pool and bitch about day visitors not being naked enough. This happened at a club up in WA/OR we visited with a group of friends. When other members/residents finally visited, naked, to the pool deck and we inquired about the "clothed" people ... they stated ... "they never take their clothes off. I don't know why they are here or why they live here." It's everywhere. The only thing that bugs the hell outta me ... they are taking up space in a nude resort that some truly nude people could take over and live like the club/resort intended ... like ME! LOL I think my wife would entertain the purchase of a weekend place at our club but doesn't want to move into or onto a small trailer or small trailer space. A single wide manufactured style home is what she'd like. I don't want to have to go in there and demo (clear the site), but I don't mind remodeling and cleaning up the site. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 12, 2012 |
This is our first motorhome. For the price ... I could not pass it up but ... I will be the one driving it ALL the time. I think if we had gone to a Class C or B ... my wife would have felt comfortable driving them but she's not comfortable with the wide space, up front, of the Class A's. As luck would have it ... the Prof is off work and has caught a cold. I was hoping to get in a few days camping at our club before the next scheduled foot surgery. Not sure if it will happen now. Keeping my fingers crossed that she recovers quickly! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 12, 2012 |
It was always our intent, even with the old neighbors ... but ... in true surburban tract home fashion, nowadays, your neighbors are only neighbors ... technically speaking. Most people don't want to get to know their neighbors, us included. That's why we bought a home with just one neighbor! LOL It's not the right thing but it is a fact that "they", ALL our neighbors, don't make ANY attempt to get to know us or each other as well. We will certainly make the first move. My wife is off work now for the next couple months and when we finally see them out front and they seem approachible ... we'll go over and invite them for ... a naked romp in our backyard with whiskey and plenty of tequilla! LOL Just kiddin' of course. Is a store bought carrot cake ok ... or do I really have to bake them one! LMAO ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 12, 2012 |
There's already a "new" tree (the previous tree died) planted to eventually block that window. And ... I hate Italian Cypress. We have these smaller version of black crows that live in those Italian Cypress and the destroy our pool deck! LOL I'm out on IC and besides ... it is their tub window. I shouldn't worry so much. If the cops come a knockin' ... I'll explain and face the music then! But til then ... I continue to water and Miracle Grow the heck outta that tree! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 11, 2012 |
We have new neighbors. Our previous, tolerant/accepting, neighbors sold and we've yet to actually talk to these new neighbors so we are not sure how they feel about our nudity. I've been concerned about one particular window of that home that looks down onto our backyard. I was working back there when my wife caught me staring up at this window and she asked ... "what are you looking at?" I said..."just making sure they don't look down on us." She said ... "why would they stand in their bathtub to look out that window to look at us?" "Bath tub?" She says ... "yeah, that their bathtub window." I've been worried that it was some bedroom window or office and they'd be looking down on us all the time ... so I was concerned. As I look back on the previous neighbors and the times they saw us ... it was always when they were closing the window and shutters and the A/C immediately went on! I still wanna talk to these people and tell them what we do and get some feedback. It would be much easier on my heart and blood pressure! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 9, 2012 |
Gymnostim ; Thanks! CO Home ... you bragger! LOL ... I am so jealous. Wish we had some naked guests coming to stay. Have fun and enjoy your company ... paying company! The best kind! LOL We live across from an Indian Casino and Resort. Each year they have a WomPom festival and a huge celebration with fireworks. Down the street is a huge park that many of the residents go to watch the firework show. This year it will take place on the 1st since the 4th falls mid week. I'll be sitting there that Sunday with my operated foot up elevated and having some "liquid pain medication!" LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 9, 2012 |
Would love to participate but I wouldn't get far on a bike with this foot! Maybe one of you could let me ride in the back in one of those child carrier wagon type jobs you see parents toting their kids in! LOL That would be a kick! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 9, 2012 |
We are finalizing our plans for a long weekend camping trip up to the Central Coast. Though it's not a nude campground, I will be driving up there naked! The wife will accompany me but will most likely wear a shirt to keep the boobs covered. On a side note. My wife was at work on Friday. It was a warm day, graduation day. She and her collegues wore their robes and by noon they were all pretty hot and tired. She told me that a group of them, 3 women and 1 guy, were walking back to their offices and complaining about how hot it was. She said the male collegue said he was so hot that he was "going to get in the car and take his pants off and drive home." They laughed and one of the women said ... "better not get pulled over." To which, the guy replied, "I'll keep my shirt on, they won't know I don't have pants on!" My wife automatically thought of me and wondered if that collegue was prone to driving naked, like me. I think many people like to drop little hints to find out how co workers, friends, family feel about some things. My wife said that this male collegue didn't get any flack about his comment ... so ... I wonder about this guy! LOL Maybe, just maybe ... he's one of us! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 9, 2012 |
Our good friend, who is a masseuse and a nudist, has stated that she would prefer to do massages, where she works, in the nude but that in many circumstances ... it's better not to because some of her clients are new to nudism and she feels it's better to remain clothed and not give them the wrong idea or impression. I think that's smart! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 8, 2012 |
I met Melissa quite some time ago when she first started on her journey towards naturism. She has grown immensely with naturism and is a definate force to be reckened with. At first she was a little shy but she's no wall flower and many of us that knew her from the beginning are very proud of her strength and growth in the community. She's pretty amazing! I'm glad we are friends. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 8, 2012 |
Not sure ... I'll be recovering from surgery and it will depend on my mobility. If anything, we may visit GE or Terra Cotta for the day. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 6, 2012 |
What has changed in the years since we first became nudists, is the internet. In the early 70's when we were married and almost never wore clothes at home, we never knew of the numerous others that lived as we did. I'd met a nudist guy in the Navy that told me about nudist "colonies" that his parents and the family visited but we weren't that ... experienced to go out and buy periodicals or mature enough to go and visit one of these clubs. WE didn't know anything about this lifestyle other than we enjoyed being naked at home. When our girls started to question why we were naked all the time and asked if it was wrong, because that's what their friends were telling them, we had no one to talk to to find out what direction we should take, no support group, no internet and no message boards to ask questions. My wife was content with being a home and backyard nudist ... so going to a nude club was not in the future during that time. Once we got involved with the internet naturism, we found that many other parents had the same issues arise in their families surrounding these obstecles in raising their kids as nudists once they reached a certain teenage, age. It must have been the foundation we laid way back when because at the ripe ol' age of 30 something, the girls returned to their roots and took the plunge once again into naturism. With a little proding and lots of $$$ ... we convinced them to go on a nakation with us. They did, they loved it and want to do it again. Their attitudes towards simple, everyday nudity aren't where we'd like but they are at least, open to participating in the recreational sense but don't live it as we do. Our grandkids are taught that simple nudity here at our home is normal, though it may not be at their home. It's conflicting and sometimes they don't understand but the upside is that ... their parents don't tell them ... they can't be naked here. They've also met ALL our close nudist friends. They really like them and actually call one of our friends ... Grandma #3. It brought our friend to tears when she was told that, while she was building sand castles with them on the beach in the caribbean during our nakation. They felt at ease and enjoyed socializing, dining, cooking, playing and just sitting and talking with our nudist friends and they are quite comfortable with those friends that come to the house and stay ... but there isn't that much nudity during those times. The kids understand it but that still doesn't make them any less ... uncomfortable so we don't push it on them. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 6, 2012 |
I'm really hoping that we can do something over the 4th of July weekend but ... I will have just had surgery on my right foot. It will be about 9 days since the surgery and not sure what my limitations will be. We gotta get outta here though. Our previous neighbor is headed back this way and wants to stop in and try and sell us something! LOL ... NO THANKS! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 6, 2012 |
The motorhome is in storage as of today. I kinda miss having it out front of the house. I enjoyed messing with it, getting inside and stripping and cleaning, straightening and fixing things while naked. Today, I had it cleaned at a local car wash and then brought it home to finish detailing it. I couldn't wait to get inside and get naked to clean the inside of the windows. I turned on the radio and left the door open to catch the nice breeze. It was awesome. Next camping trip will be near the end of the month. WE want to go back to the club and stay a few nights and really get the bugs outta the coach. We want to set everything up, make sure everything works and just enjoy it because we weren't able to, as much, after my foot surgery. Then in July, we will take it up to the Central Coast of CA. There aren't any nudist clubs up that way so we will be staying in a textile campground BUT ... there will be naked driving up there and back! A good 4-6 hours of naked driving both ways!!! | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 5, 2012 |
Weather's been cooperating so I'm back in shorts, flip flops and t shirt ... so, yeah ... I'm driving much more in the nude currently. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 4, 2012 |
Our new/used motorhome is sitting out front undergoing some cleaning, reorganizing and repairing before going to storage to await the next naked camping trip and naked driving trip. It's currently warm during the day here but cold at night. Last night, the temps got down to the very low 50's. It was about 10:30-11p and I was walking back and forth from the motorhome to the house naked doing a few things inside the coach. I've been naked outside in the 40's and as long as I was able to slip into the sunlight ... it was okay for me to be naked in the temp but it's not a temp I'd lay out in. Low 60's, in the sun, no wind ... that's nice too! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 2, 2012 |
I am chomping at the bit to get to the beach. It may be the week between stitches taken out and surgery on the other foot that I'll have to make that move. Not sure which one I/we'll go to but I don't think I'll be able to wait too much longer. So what if it takes me twice as long to get back up as it does to get down. The reward will be to be able to sit naked on the beach. Hope to see some of you down there the week of the 18th of June. Also hoping for no June Gloom! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 2, 2012 |
That is why I think, in this particular time in this lifestyle, the two terms are interchangible and the vast majority use both to describe themselves to others. So many of us, I'd even say the majority, enjoy the outdoors, nature, trails, hiking, laying out on the grass, meadows, near streams, lakes, ponds, the beach, the woods ... etc. AND ... also enjoy the convienences of a nice resort or club with all the amenities. I don't think there is as quite a divide in the "perferences" in location to be nude, as there once was, ... just as long as we can be nude. | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 2, 2012 |
I was extremely lucky. In my case, my wife is a nudist ... almost to the extent I am. As the girls were growing, they saw us both naked all the time. We spent lots of family time outside and inside, doing chores, playing, swimming, bbq'ing ... we just went about life and most times it was in the nude. When the girls decided to stop being naked with us, we continued but respected their wishes not to be naked around them. We were still naked at times while shaving in front of the mirror or going into the kitchen for a cup of coffee in the morning, walking from the bedroom out to the hot tub ... those kids of naked encounters didn't seem to bother them at all. It was the sitting at the breakfast, lunch, dinner table naked and talking, watching TV, sitting and reading, doing the house chores. Didn't make sense to us but ... hey, they were 14 and 10! We eventually stopped being naked around them and it got so when they left the house, we stripped immediately and locked the doors. This way when they came home ... they had to ring the door bell and we'd have time to slip on something. They knew ... They both went off to college and when the youngest was a sophomore we decided it was time to tell them ALL about our lifestyle and what and where we go. At first they had concerns about us being swingers but that fear was put to rest. Many of their fears were put to rest because ... their mother talked to them. I think because it's easier for men to do this ... those that don't understand it correlate the nudity to sex and that men do it to either get sex, think about sex, have sex with other women ... When my wife told the girls why she enjoyed it and that it was her choice to live that way from the beginning of our life together ... all those concerns about the sex and me forcing my wife to do this, disipated. I truly think if you're having problems with teens accepting your nudism or nudist life, it seems to be more readily accepted and they seem to really listen if your wife, their mother talks to them and gives them the female, non sexual, side of this. It helped us immensely anyway! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 2, 2012 |
Thanks for the update. It's strange how you hear "reactions", from person to person, of those that are naked south of the fence line. The guy I spoke to a couple months ago at Glen Eden stated that everyone felt safe from the Rangers on Pendelton property. Where you able to talk to any of those there that had any insight or information on that issue? Are the Rangers or MP's still watching the nudists on this section of the beach? | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 1, 2012 |
Since my last post ... I've had foot surgery and the walk down Trail 6 to the nude section or the once nude section, is nearly impossible. I could probably make it down but coming up ... NOT a good idea! I doubt I'll be able to make it down there til the end of summer. By the time this foot heals, the foot surgeon wants to do the other foot ... so ... I'm outta commission for walking down the trail or the trail at Blacks til the end of August. Sorry ... if anyone has any updates, please post them. FP | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 1, 2012 |
Today ... according a SunBunny, owner of Absolute Naturist Group, was Nation Nude Donut Day. Those of us in that group tried to eat a donut today ... in the nude. I had a ton of errands to run and was going to be in and out of the car ... so I took my truck! First stop ; the donut shop, where I bought to plain/naked cake donuts and a cup of coffee. I took them back to the truck, stripped off what clothes I had on and ate them in the parking lot ... naked. It was already warming up so I traveled to my next stop in the nude but then had to put the clothes back on. Got to participate in National Nude Donut Day and get a little naked drivin' in! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 1, 2012 |
Since my last post ... I've "technically" answered the door nude but I kept from my stomach to my feet behind the door. Once each for UPS and FedEx for deliveries needing a signature and once for pizza. I thought I had those mesh shorts up here in the front office but they were way back in the master bedroom so ... I just answered the door, handed him the money, he handed me the pizza's and said ..."hey ... thanks for the tip!!" I'm sure many a pizza guy is greeted by some not completely dressed. But I made sure with each one that I was covered beind the door. :) I just make sure my mesh shorts are up here or I tell them ... hold on and go get them. It was too stressful making sure I was behind the door. LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 1, 2012 |
I had a list 1/2 mi long of errands to run today. Luckily for me ... I took my truck. I stopped at our favorite donut shop, went in, got the donuts ... two plain/naked cake and a cup o' jo and took them back to my truck where I took off my t shirt, slipped off my shorts and kicked off my flip flops and ate them naked. I was alone so ... no pics, sorry! Drove to my next stop and put all that crap back on to run the next errand. :( LOL Cool pic SB! Our donut shop didn't have the choc icing cake donut!!! That's a naked donut with a nice tan on one side! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Jun 1, 2012 |
I'm with BJJB ... I'd stay right where I am. I'd purchase acreage near where we currently live and property on the ocean. It would be nice to have oceanfront with beach that is private enough for nude use but ... it's not necessary for me. As long as we can see and hear the ocean ... that would be awesome. Family and friends are important and I wouldn't want to move away from them just to satisfy the need to be naked. We're naked pretty much all the time anyway ... I'd just like a lot more room between me and my neighbors! | |
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FireProf Posted: May 31, 2012 |
No ... we do NOT rely on nudist venues to teach our grandchildren about social nudity. Most of their exposure to nudism is done right here at our home and occasionally at their own but not near as much as here at Papa and Granma's. What is difficult is that ... our "social" nudism practices are limited to the outside, the pool and shower time. Because they don't stay here ALL the time, they revert back to what they know mostly ... and that's home. We are naked most of the time around them here at our home and they are fine with it but ... "that's what Papa and Granma do all the time, not what Mom and Dad and we do, all the time, just once in a while." According to our oldest daughter, our 9 y.o. grandson is a chip off the ol' block. He likes being naked but feels stiffled at home around a bunch of textiles. When he's here, his sister's are usually with him and so he still feels uncomfortable. We try and make it so it's not a big deal but big sister (11) rolls her eyes and little sis (7) follows suit ... he's not a real strong male ... yet, so he is usually pressured to remain covered. Teachings are such that we tell them how natural it is, ask them how they feel when nude and why they feel they have to be clothed or covered if they feel better when nude. Their answers are typical; being mad fun of, feeling of embarrassment, feeling they don't fit in (because they are nude or want to be and their friends are against it) or they look different. You can try and re-enforce the positives but when they are only with you periodically ... it becomes a relearning session almost each time they return here to "SaneLand." I think it's also wise to continue with open conversation and as they get older and wiser, more mature and able to understand what you are telling them ... they will probably catch on and then decide if it's right for them. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: May 31, 2012 |
If you're lodging that ... "some of you fell into that trap" comment on me ... you're very mistaken. I could give a damn how they run their business ... it's their business. Naturist infighting ... those two wrote a large portion of that book! In an attempt to further their business ... they trash talked another prominent Adult Couples only resort in PS, on a couple of websites. NOW ... that's a load of crap! Most of their posts were lies, innuendo, misinterpretation, inflammatory and ... when a few of their stanch supporters stated truthful statements that contradicted what these owners said ... they told them not to ever come back to DS! And ... this is different than those that are supposedly falling into the trap of Conquer and Divide? These owners did just that with other resorts to try and boost their own selfishness...they were Dividing to Conquer! The only issue I have with a business is to be honest. For a nudist resort and it's owners to throw that last reason out there for everyone to read and enforce their already skewed vision of nudism, is a travesty. The reason I won't go back ... they treated a very good friend of mine, a constant supporter of these owners and the resort an always positive trip report writer for this resort ... like crap, on a couple message boards. I don't care for the place as much as she does and they treated me better! LOL I don't have any use for these people. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: May 30, 2012 |
They've already added ... $10 "memberships" to get around that. As I stated before; IMO... the owners have the right to do what they want but the problem I had ... their story (reason) for going Adults Only changed three times. Newly installed fire rings were cause for concern and insurance reasons ... then ... "We polled" our residents and guests and that's what "they" wanted and we delivered... then ... We don't want pedophiles taking pics of them ... I really feel that comment will come back to haunt and hurt them. Too bad, nice place. They should have stuck with the second reason and left well enough alone. Which reason was it ... really!? | |
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FireProf Posted: May 29, 2012 |
I think most of us feel all this would be moot if they just let us fly naked! LOL "All passengers flying naked, please proceed to your gate for immediate boarding!" I wonder how many non nudists would be willing to strip and forego the screening process! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: May 28, 2012 |
Two weekends ago, we spent RVing at our club, Glen Eden Sun Club in Corona, CA. WE had a great time and the only downside was my recent foot surgery that kept us close to the RV site. Once I'm back, firmly, on both feet ... we will return and do more RVing at GE and most likely take the motorhome to other clubs in the state and throughout the country. We are tentatively planning a return to Laguna Del Sol this summer if I heal fast enough from my other foot surgery in late June! Get out there and do some nude camping and get back to us on your adventures! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: May 25, 2012 |
That's the truth! I spend the weekend with some of my past co workers and crew in Death Valley each March/April. I know that a few of them would not mind at all if that trip became a nude trip but I'm the only nudist of the bunch. I have ventured outside in the late evening or early, early mornings to water a bush and stood out there gazing up at all those stars and just stood there for 10-15 mins, naked with a warm breeze and clear skies. On our second trip ... I did this and stood there for several minutes and then heard someone behind me as some twigs cracked. I turned to see a wild burro about 20 ft from me. I'm not sure who was more scared! LOL I looked at it, it looked at me and it just turned and walked away. I'd love to go out there with my wife and just spend a few days and nights and never put a stitch on. There are plenty of spots to camp and be alone where you can be naked the entire time and not see anyone. Our first naked camping trip in our new/used motorhome was a success. We loved it ... most of all ... she loved it and that means there are more and more naked camping trips in our future. I think we'll be going up to Laguna Del Sol in the summer and camp by the lake! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: May 25, 2012 |
You'd think that having lived in So Cal all my life, been a nudist for most of it and no further than 2 hrs away from Blacks ... that I would have visited at least once ... I can't believe I haven't and still haven't now only living about an hour and 15 mins away. It'll be some time before I can get down there. Recent foot surgery and pending surgery on the other foot will keep me from treking down that path to the beach. I will make it down there as soon as I can! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: May 25, 2012 |
Do many of you watch any of the documentaries on the VietNam War? I just watched one that was a couple hours long on the Smithsonian Channel. Difficult to watch when you hear the commentary on how the politicians tied the military's hands in fighting the war. We recently visited Washington DC and visited The Wall. It was difficult to see so many names and heart wrenching to see family members cry and touch their loved one's names. It's such a moving experience and powerful monument in it's simplicity. | |
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FireProf Posted: May 22, 2012 |
Jim ... first thing, my comments were made toward the poster bakobd ... not to you. As far as your situation at home ... that's for you to decide what is more important and what is worth working on and giving up. Nudism can't be a "break all, end all" issue. But communication, honest and open communication between husband and wife ... can be a "break all, end all" if there isn't any or if there are secrets, regrets, fears and concerns with each other. It's obvious from your wife's perspective that nudism and nudity is sex based only. There's no telling if any amount of talking and educating will change her mind but ... if there are trust issues, that needs to be worked out first and maybe in your situation ... that's what is most important. Allowing you to go to nudist functions to look at penis's and vaginas but not tell her about it ... is not helping the trust issue and it's only making "her" opinions strengthen her negative thoughts about the lifestyle. That's why I feel that real open and honest communication on those issue and NOT on nudism or being naked take place and resolved way before any further talk of nudism or attendance at nudist functions take place. But then again ... it's only my opinion and it's your decision to make. Again ... I wish you all the luck in resolving your situation. FP | |
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FireProf Posted: May 22, 2012 |
Thanks for the well wishes on the surgeries. Without these two surgeries ... getting down to either beach would have been a chore ... to say the least. But ... like true So. Cal fashion ... summer's not the only time to visit Blacks or San O. WE've even visited a few times in the winter and it's been awesome. Seems the only time it's difficult is when June Gloom hits! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: May 22, 2012 |
Sorry we missed each other at the car show. I was there with my Black 67 Chevelle 300. WE were front row, next to the BBQ stand, beside the yellow Chev with the matching trailer. Wish I had known you were there ... would have made some introductions! FP ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: May 22, 2012 |
I don't know what the answer is to your particular situation Jim. It's troubling on various levels as to why someone can be married to another person and you can't be open and honest about what is troubling you in the relationship. Your wife is now talking to you ... through your daughter. In my opinion, not a healthy relationship between the two of you. Your wife is unwilling to see you naked unless it's in the bedroom and you are not allowed to be naked in your own home or in your backyard. You can only wear shorts ... seems like quite a lot of rules between a couple that is devoted to each other in sickness, health, better or worse ... there's some real communication issues that need to be resolved. I would not remain in a relationship with someone that isn't truthful with me, upfront and honest with me and that can not talk to me directly but needs to speak through a moderator. In my opinion, that's not a marriage and some open discussion needs to happen. It would in my relationship and has ... and it continues daily. Good luck! FP | |
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FireProf Posted: May 22, 2012 |
What is said is true ... BUT ... THIS is a group of Absolute Naturists. There are other groups that proclaim their own reasons and standards for existance ... why can't Absolute Naturists? It's difficult to understand why anyone would want or request admission into a group where they don't agree with the groups philosophy or want to conform to the group's standards. Why is it that there are several here on Absolute Naturist group that want to argue the very permiss that this group was started and it's philosophies? YOU DON'T have to be a member here. What the owner of this group has asked for, in members of this particular group, is that you agree with the premiss and standards of which this group was originated and founded. I don't understand the need for some to join every group on NCH and then complain about the very permiss and philosophy of those groups they join! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: May 22, 2012 |
I won't be going to either Black's or San O for some time again now. I had surgery on one foot and when that is healed enough ... the other foot is due for the same surgery. So the trek down to the beach would be impossible for me right now. Looks like I might be able to get down to either beach by the END of summer! :( | |
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FireProf Posted: May 18, 2012 |
"Real cops don't eat donuts" ... LOL Ahhh, yeah ... they do! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: May 16, 2012 |
Since my last post, I've had another massage from our new therapist. We've talked in depth about each other and are getting to know one another well. Though I'm still draped during my massages, she has become more comfortable, that I am comfortable, with my body being less draped than the first session. After my session I was sitting on the couch and we were talking while she packed up her sheets and table. I sat in my robe and when she was done and she had returned from her car for her money, I had walked up to her, at the front door and handed her the envelop. My robe was slightly opened and she didn't bat an eye. I grabbed it and closed it when I realized it. We hugged and she said she was looking forward to our next session. She was and is a little apprehensive about going to homes with males home alone. She's a tough gal and could probably hold her own but she is still cautious and sometimes gets nervous. After I noticed the robe slightly open, I apologized for being exposed and she said ... "honey, I've seen more of you on the table and will be seeing more of you so don't worry about it." I really appreciated her maturiy about that. I asked her if I made her feel comfortable and she said, "yes, I feel very comfortable around you and am glad you've become a client." She stated that she can tell when a guy is into the massage and not just concentrating on where her hands are. I'm so enjoying her complete massages and the fact that she's not afraid to massage my entire gluts. So many therapists are so afraid of massaging the entire buttocks and only massage the hip. I'm so glad to have found this woman and know we will have a long relationship and friendship as the sessions continue. She's even noticed the backyard and patio and stated that in the summer we could do the massages outdoors if I want. I'm hoping the landscaping we currently have planted will grow substancially so if we do decide that undraped massages are in our future ... she will feel comfortable enough to do them outside with ample privacy. I'm truly lucky to have found this woman and I feel fortunate that she is mature, professional and honest about so many things and is willing to discuss openly her life and ours without reservation and or prejudice. :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudist Bill of Rights - The point is? |
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FireProf Posted: May 15, 2012 |
While what you say, may be somewhat true, it's not that easy for many people that aren't in your shoes. Those that have spouses or themselves are in sensitive occupations, can't take the risk of being so bold as you'd have us think you are. It doesn't do anyone any good to come right out and scream from the hills and proclaim their nudism if they fear for losing their jobs, have family chastised or ridiculed. I'm always surprised how easy it is for the single male to speak so openly and be so non understanding of what others may fear or want to be selective on who knows what it is they do and how they live. Would you sing a different tune if you found someone that agreed to enjoy naturism with you but didn't share your desire for everyone to know? What does it do for me if all my neighbors know? Is it not enough that my immediate family knows, some of their friends, some of our friends and most likely some of our family? Why is it SO important for everyone on my block or in my housing development to know? I signed this Bill of Rights with my true full name. I have a Facebook page where my "likes" include nudist resorts and clubs, nudist organization and I'm friends with owners of one particular nude resort. Anyone that wants or needs to know ... they can look it up. I don't see where it's necessary to walk around the streets hooten and hawlerin' proclaiming my nudist lifestyle. I just don't get how some that don't have those other extenuating circumstances in their lives, need to trash others that have to think of others in their lives and not just themselves. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: May 15, 2012 |
June 1st...got it! Won't miss it this time and I'll be sure to post a pic! Thanks for the reminder! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: May 13, 2012 |
Well ... if it were up to the Prof ... we'd be staying in a cabin instead of a motorhome! She's become a nudist snob! LOL She loves a bit of "luxury" and even though the motorhome is much nicer than what we've been currently camping in ... she still prefers a structure on the ground as opposed to accomodations on wheels! LOL I'm getting excited about getting it on Wednesday and then cleaning it out and reorganizing it to suit us. We'll be doing that on Wednesday night so I can drive it to the club on Thursday and set it up! Can't wait til next weekend and I've still gotta get my classic car ready for the show ... I have so much to do ... why am I on the computer! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: May 12, 2012 |
LOL ... my dad just screwed up my plans to drive our new/used motorhome, home, naked! He's decided to do me a favor and drive it up here himself and get a ride home. Damn ... I was so looking forward to driving my motorhome naked but ... there's ALWAYS the next day ... when I drive it to our club and prep it and the site for our nude weekend getaway and the club's annual Nude Attitude Car show ... which we are participating in! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: May 11, 2012 |
There are many, many, many days and miles of naked driving in our future! We've decided to buy my dad's motorhome and I can't wait to take it on a long trip and me and Prof get in some serious long naked drives! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: May 11, 2012 |
Well ... it's official! We are going to buy my dad's motorhome! Really excited about it and can't wait to gut it and redecorate it to our own style ... complete with driving naked towels! LOL | |
| Absolute Naturists Swimming?Volleyball,?Tennis?Billiards?Golf?Jogging?Biking? etc. |
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FireProf Posted: May 3, 2012 |
I'd like to play volleyball, tennis and baseball but haven't been able to until I have all my surgeries done. We walk, use the exercise room from time to time, swim but haven't biked at the club yet. Maybe we'll take our bikes next time! We did have a couple of mean games of naked billards ... my wife kicked my naked butt! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: May 3, 2012 |
Amen to that! Followed Junior through his USC days and was glad to see him stay local. Not happy about him leaving the Chargers but ... that's the NFL. Visited his restaurant in SD a few times hoping to be lucky enough to see him, get a picture and autograph ... even though he became a Patriot! He will always be a Trojan and Charger. Many, many sad football fans in Southern Cal. He certainly will be missed. | |
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FireProf Posted: May 1, 2012 |
You guys do know that there is a "Nude Driving" group here on NCH ... right!? LOL | |
| Absolute Naturists Non-Nudist Nudist Venue Owners, Is there a problem? |
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FireProf Posted: May 1, 2012 |
I don't necessarily see it as a problem but ... for me personally, I'd rather have a nudist own a nudist venue. In my opinion, a non-nudist operating a nudist venue is in it solely for the money or ... I don't know that these non-nudist nude venue owners truly get what it's about. Most of their decisions would be monetary based and it becomes "just a business", where nudist owned venues would probably uphold more of the philosophies and not worry "so much" about the monetary side of the business. Some clubs and resorts have stayed away from groups and events even if they bring in the money ... but I think some non nudist nude venue owners may look at the money first and the philosophy last or ... not at all. So...no problem, just probably a venue I'd have to have information on before I'd visit. Thanks to those willing to try it out first and give the rest of us a heads up or report! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 28, 2012 |
Ken ... It would be great to join you and PJ but the Prof's still working and we are up to our ears in family commitments ... like this weekend! God Bless soccer and travel baseball! LOL WE've talked about doing something like this with our circle of nudist friends ... a sort of naked caravan though some outta the way places where we could get out and explore. I finally talked the Prof into trying out dry camping in Death Valley. I'll break her in easy and take the motorhome! LOL But ... we'll park away from the established area and set up our camp and do it naked for a couple days, then drive nude and stay at various nudist clubs enroute to Tahoe and Secret Cove, then over to Laguna Del Sol and then visit family and then ... a long and leisure naked drive back home ... unless there's another nude club on the way! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 27, 2012 |
When slow dancing usually occurs or is done it's usually couples, married, in a relationship, dating ... yes, good friends will dance slow BUT ... Slow Dancing is also a romantic moment. Whether or not you want to admit it ... there's a loving, romantic spin on slow dancing that can cause arousal from both the male and female even when dressed and so ... if you add in slow dancing nude ... those same feelings will materialize even if you try not to think about it. Maybe more nudists have tried it, couldn't contain their arousal toward one another and decide NOT to do it. Being nude can be a sensual experience between couples. Not all the time, we are both currently nude, we are both on computers doing various things, me typing this, she working. So ... there's no sensuality in that. But sitting on the couch close watching TV or a movie ... there's a bit of sensuality. But in a social event such as a dance, and a dance at a nude venue ... it can be difficult to not be sensual with each other and even more so when you are dancing slow and close together. | |
| Absolute Naturists Mixed Signals in Body Language at Nudist Venues |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 25, 2012 |
'bout the only body language we've witnessed that was questionable was the "spread eagle" pose on the lounge. I think it was more funny to watch guys walk by these women and pretend they weren't looking up her legs in hopes of seeing her tonsils! LOL I always find it somewhat ... strange that some younger females will wear genital jewlery, various body jewlery, lay spread eagle on a lounge, and then...get up to go to the bathroom and put on a short skirt or a short sarong or pareo to walk to the bathroom or cafe. WEIRD! I really try not to pay much attention to these body language signals ... I just generally people watch but sometimes ... ya just can't help it! LOL :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 25, 2012 |
Whoa... wait a minute! YOU did not get slapped by SB at all. She reitorated that we were NOT going to take this thread into a discussion on anyone's penis and erections. This thread is about slow dancing nude and not about erections. Can an erection happen ... sure, it's even happened to me but that's NOT really the intent of the thread ... she asked ... "Do we subconciously see it as sexual? Are males concerned about erections occuring? Is spousal jealously an issue? So just what is the problem with slow dancing nude at a nudist venue? " Every time the subject of "erections" comes up ... some guys on nudist internet message boards jump at the opportunity to talk about their penis and erections. It's old and over discussed and in my opinion, their argument about "spontaneous" erections is unjustified. And some wonder why we can't get women to join groups, clubs, websites ... or get involved in naturism. She didn't slap your hand ... she slap down the direction of the thread so it didn't go off on a direction that wasn't intended. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 23, 2012 |
My wife and I spent the day at Glen Eden the other day. I talked with a gentleman, while floating around in the pool, that had been to the beach about a month ago. He stated that he visited the beach on a weekday. He sat in his chair in the nude and then saw the ranger vehicle coming down the beach. He threw his trunks over his lap and when the ranger got to him ... they discussed his being seen nude through binoculars from up above by the ranger. The ranger went on to say that because he didn't see him naked when he arrived by his side ... he could not cite him. This nudist gentleman stated that they spoke for about 15 mins about why rangers felt compelled to hassle nudists that are not harming anyone. He stated that the ranger said ... "we have to do our jobs." The nudist felt that the ranger didn't want to do what he was doing but felt he had to or was being forced to. At anyrate, the nudist gentleman stated that there are still nudists going down to San O but that the previous nude section is all but vacant and everyone has moved down to the south side of the fenceline. My hope was to visit the beach this week but the weather turned ugly. It'll be a spur of the moment thing but I'll try and get down there and talk to some people about what is going on. FP | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 22, 2012 |
I wonder what happened to Dina? With a private profile, can't tell if she's even on here anymore. I truly hope she was not run off by the bombardment of male requests for friendship! :( | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 21, 2012 |
My wife has convinced me many, many years ago that nudists are "born." She says that those that have a "need" to be naked are born with a special gene. She likes being naked, she's been a willing participant but she says that her "liking" being naked is nothing compared to my desire and need to be naked. I don't think any differently about others who state, later in life, that they are "now" nudists. That they've found this lifestyle and enjoy being nude when possible but wonder if circumstances were different or they were given an ultimatium ... they would let it go. I don't think I could or can. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 21, 2012 |
Guys ... why are we arguing this? I stated that we don't want this thread to get off topic about what "causes" erections ... not the fact that you won't or don't Slow Dance Nude because you fear you might get one! Two different things. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 20, 2012 |
I'm sure after reading this thread ... either SB or someone else will find a "spin off" thread to post but this one is about "Slow Dancing Nude" and not why we think men get erections. So ... let's keep this on track and talk about Slow Dancing Naked! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 18, 2012 |
[ Striker Quote ...I'm still hung up on how you police for boob jobs in the first place. Do you ask women to show you under their breasts to look for a scar at the gate? End Quote] NO ... that is not always conclusive. You have to perform a "squeeze test!" LOL ...of course I'm kidding! | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 18, 2012 |
Ok...for the record ... I DO NOT own a nudist venue, except for my home and I don't even OWN it yet! LOL I was responding to the post by SB that stated she wanted a response from us for the "owners" side of the fence. So my post was hypothetical! IF I indeed owned a nudist club or resort, the list of things I would consider, as an owner, is what I posted. I am being completely honest here and think that we as nudists tend to want to fit into this perfect box of philosophies and ideas and as I've posted elsewhere ... we are NO different than our clothed counterparts. WE ALL have hang ups, issues, opinions and prejudices. I can say with all certainty ... that my club or resort would NOT court or cater to the swinger group, fetish groups and would kindly ask anyone I allowed in or to join to leave and not return if they did not conform to the standards and rules of my club. That's ... allowing Most All in until their character or activity shows otherwise and then ... the door would hit them on the arse as they left! ;) That's MY club (if I really owned one) but I don't. So if I did, you could chose to visit and join or not ... your choice! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 18, 2012 |
Can either of you tell us a bit more about the area? Other things to do there or nearby. Don't necessarily have to be nude things but ... shopping, site seeing and ... any other nude things to do! LOL Thanks! | |
| Absolute Naturists Clothing Optional vs Clothing Tolerant...Is there a difference? |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 18, 2012 |
Right off the top ... I'd have to say, to me, I prefer Clothing Optional. To me; clothing optional would mean that if the weather dictates and it's too cold to be nude, you have the "option" of covering. Or ... if you've had enough sun...a bit more understanding of situations. Clothing Tolerant, to me, success that we (nudists) will "tolerate" you being clothed while we are all naked but we don't like it. Optional seems a bit more "friendly" and accomodating while Tolerant seems a bit more negative. Much like: A nude or clothing optional beach ... as oppose to a Nude or clothing optional "tolerated" beach. The first suggests that it's accepted openly but the later suggests that it's not openly accepted but it's allowed. But I could be missing your point! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 17, 2012 |
GE tomorrow for a few hours before "granpa duty!" LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 17, 2012 |
I think as a nudist venue owner ... I'd have to look at the "broader" picture and not try and focus on small details. What demographic am I targeting; couples only, couples and single females only, couples and both single females and males only, couples and families only, EVERYONE !? Next; do I allow swingers?, do I allow gays and lesbians?, do I allow trans genders ... Then; do I allow genital piercings, tats, breast enhancements, body jewlery (pierced or non pierced) Do I have theme parties, dances, sensually charged atmosphere's for adults ... Lots of things to think about and to consider ... especially if I head in one direction and that demographic isn't showing up to help me pay my bills. I think that's what is happening to some of our clubs in that respect ... SO ... I don't think, as a nudist venue owner, I'd be looking to keep people out of my venue based solely on piercings and breast enhancements. For me personally, I'd probably concentrate on trying to keep it a family atmosphere where everyone is included, let a person's character and actions dictate whether they remain or are asked to leave and hope that I could weed out the undesireables that somehow get in. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 17, 2012 |
I'm at fault as well ... but let's not get off topic on how or why men get erections! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 17, 2012 |
But...that's not always true! I've danced nude with our closests nudist female friends and it's never been an issue. We talk when we are dancing slow and laughing, planning new trips ... and we dance close but ... ya gotta be thinking it or your concentration leaves the big brain and moves to the small one for something to happen ... with me anyways! LOL :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 17, 2012 |
Hey Smoke...maybe I reading your post incorrectly. If I'm ... correct me if I'm wrong but ... All this is ... is a topic for discussion. I don't think or know how SB feels one way or the other about it, she's just throwing topics out there for us to talk about. Some might think that there is no reason for this or any other discussions on these topics but all it is is a way to get people here to communicate and speak their minds. The problem I see is that we (nudists) like to think we are different than our textile counter parts. We are more accepting of each other, we have no prejudices or preconceived ideas or opinions of others or groups. WE are no different and we ALL have those opinions, prejudices and ideas of others just like everyone else. Just cuz we drop our clothes doesn't mean we've dropped all the baggage we bring with us ... inside. It's just conversation ... that's all! If we ONLY posted topics of earth shattering substance...be pretty darn quiet around here! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 17, 2012 |
I don't know if your experiment will work on this group but...it might! ;) Being as this IS a family nudist group, I hope that those that are members are "pro" kids and nudism. If not...then I'll have to wonder why they are here. I see your beef with AANR. I think it's a valid beef and one that I hope our next President of this org will address, along with a few other issues in regards to working closer together with other naturist orgs. This lifestyle should be about everyone and there shouldn't be an age that is off limits to naturism. WE all want the younger folks to join in but ... the age we want doesn't stop at the 20 somethings ... it should go all the way down to newborns and exposed to this way of life. We have grandchildren and they may be at ages where they are a little uncomfortable with being nude but are ok with being around others that are nude. We get asked, constantly, about a return trip to Club Orient. They are well aware that most everyone there is nude and they still want to return but want to know if the "have" to get naked. When we tell them ... "no, you don't have to get naked," they are even more willing. Once there ... they adapt and decide for themselves how much nudity and when they are comfortable. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 17, 2012 |
I will tell you what I don't like about boob jobs and genital piercings. When it's obvious that they are meant to have others look ... and we "do" look ... why do many get upset about it!? The couple I mentioned with lots of genital piercings could care less but if a young woman walks by us with augmented breasts and you look and maybe critique them quietly to each other ... such as ... "wow, those are way too big," or "that's a really nice, natural looking augmentation," why do some women with these augmented breasts give you the evil eye because you "glanced" at their boobs? It's like the young girls that wear skirts so short and they bend over ... you can see their tonsils ... or tops so low cut you don't have anything left to the imagination ... and they get upset if you "glance!" WE ALL look, glance, admire, raise an eyebrow or even frown at what some do to their bodies. It's their choice and if they are happy with it ... then it's good for them ... but we shouldn't be chastised for "glancing" as long as we keep our comments to ourselves and we don't gawk and stare! With the exception of a close friend. We both told our friend that her augmentation was fantastic and she appreciated the compliment. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 16, 2012 |
I'm neither a fan nor do I oppose genital jewlery, tats or augmented breasts or any other body part. Genital jewlery and tats are as common, nowadays, as shaved pubic areas. They are everywhere and I don't pay that much attention to one or the other or worry about whether or not they call attention to that particular portion of the body. I will admit that we have seen and heard a couple at our club, coming and going due to the number of genital piercings but ... that's up to them and they seem like a nice enough couple. We probably don't have too much in common with them but have not gotten into any conversations of any depth to find out. We say "hello" and some general conversation but they hang with a different crowd and we aren't apart of that crowd. Augmented breasts; I don't have any issue with them. I don't see the need for women to get breast augmentation to the point where their boobs look like they're gonna explode! We have a friend that had augmentation done and if you didn't know her before, you'd never know they had been augmented. The most natural looking augmentation I've seen. So natural that my wife, who is dead set against it, stated that IF she ever changed her mind ... she was going to this friend's doctor because it wasn't obvious. Breast augmentation for enhancement, reconstruction or otherwise should be a personal choice and shouldn't be the business of a nude venue ... the person's character should be the reason they aren't allowed in. I don't think venues need to police piercings or boob jobs. If they did, we'd lose 1/2 or more, the number of people that are members and really good people. I just hate to see us (nudists and nude venues) start policing ourselves outta existance. Next will be pubic area shaving (eliminating close to the other 1/2! LOL) , then ... who knows what! LOL ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 16, 2012 |
This has happened to us! LOL During one of our first vacations to the Caribbean and to a nude resort, we were invited, along with about 50 others, to a evening dinner/dance down the beach at a restaurant/bar from the resort we were staying. We each paid $20 a couple to pay for the DJ and use of the facility and the kitchen stayed open and offered us a limited menu. We had met another couple several days prior and became friends instantly. They seemed nice and we were having a great time just being "friends" during our week. We invited them to this party. They were staying on the other side of the island. We began dancing fast with each other, then sat and talked, then another fast song and while we were up... a slow song started. We just kept dancing with each others spouse and it got weird when she began to bump and grind... Yeah ... I began having the obvious "reaction" and gave her a quick hug and said ... "I'll be back, and left the dance floor to the restroom." Afterwards my wife asked what happened, I told her, she said that "he" kept pulling her close and she kept pulling away and smiled and was trying to stay friendly but ... not that friendly. Come to find out later in the evening that they wanted a bit more than friendship, we politely said, "thanks, but no thanks" and we ended the evening by leaving the party early. They returned the next day and spent the day on the beach, they acted as though nothing happened, we remained cautious but friendly. They left the island a couple days later with hugs and email exchanges but we never heard from them again and we never made the attempt to contact. WE trust each other and my wife wasn't upset cuz I reacted to the bump and grind. She would have if I remained dancing with the ... "reaction!" LOL But...we dance slow, in the nude and I get the same reaction from time to time ... but I remain dancing with my wife ... we just a bit closer til we both calm down! LOL We enjoy it and have had some of our best times at that nude resort, dancing at night in the nude, fast and slow. We've even danced with other close friends without the "reaction" and it's been fine and fun. With our close friends ... there are no "thoughts" of sexual contact ... just friendship. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 16, 2012 |
As a nudist...I don't really have a "weather" meter. I can usually make it warm enough to be naked wherever I am and ... I'm still a nudist under the clothes I gotta wear, from time to time. I think this goes along with the whole Absolute Naturist mindset. We don't stop being nudists because it's too cold and definately if it's too hot! LOL But rather, we make the adjustments we need to satisfy our need to be naked as much as we can, when we can and wherever we can. I know my wife has a naked "weather" meter ... it's anytime inside but outside it has to be in the mid 60's, sunny and no wind! She hates to be naked and cold ... which I can understand. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 16, 2012 |
Sorry...I give up! What I'm reading is complaints about nudist people trying to be friendly and those that just want to be left alone. There's a place for that ... it's called home! This will be my final post on this subject. Thanks! :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 15, 2012 |
Olivia... I typed out a response, thought about it and deleted it. I find it difficult to understand something here in regards to those that want to be left alone, yet visit obvious social nudist venues. I find it hard to understand how nudist individuals want to be accepted but won't get involved enough, even with conversation, to allow others to understand them and their outlook on naturism...except for a message board. I would venture to say that the vast majority of naturists don't frequent naturist websites or message boards and certainly not enough to delve deep into the conversations we have on the vast issues concerning the lifestyle. I find it difficult to understand why some here continue to compare nudism in the US and Europe and can't understand why it's so different here...as if it should be the same. We are two different continents with several different countries and we don't ALL think the same. I will agree to disagree but what I don't agree with is someone/anyone that will come onto a social nudist network, speak of being a loner and not wanting to be social. Is this the closest they want to be social with anyone in naturism? The closest they want to be to other naturists is on the computer? I guess I don't get it ... and I think I speak for many a social nudist when I say ... If you want to be accepted for what you do and who you are ... you can't expect nudists in a social setting to understand this ... if you're not willing to speak up and explain it to them in person and not on a message board. We are just normal people. We don't have magic powers to understand why someone isn't social and many times that is perceived as unfriendly and rude ... but according to some, we need to realize that they just want to be left alone. I'm not sure the vast majority of naturists understand that or can read the minds of those that feel this way. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 14, 2012 |
I understand that. I was treated the same way ... and I am not or have never been a "single" male in the last 43 years (39 of them married to my lovely nudist wife)! LOL When I visited our club for the first time, I was alone. The Prof didn't want to visit a club. She thought it was too rustic and had become comfortable with the "resort" scene. I visited alone for some time, then stopped visiting and stuck it out with the resorts. I later convinced my wife to try the club and after she did, she liked it ... But, I was treated the same way and on occasion, I'll still be treated that way and my wife has visited and stayed at our club many times. Some people just forget that I'm married and my wife works. I understand the predictament many of the single males and even females are in but ... you will not get those you are speaking of to change unless you approach them, are friendlier than they are being and prove to them that you're not a bad person. You can't change peoples perspective unless you're willing to meet them 1/2 way. In some cases ... you'll have to meet them further on their terms ... but ... be the bigger person and prove them wrong! Here's a perfect example ... I am embarrassed to admit! We began visiting and became members of our club. We started going often and on several occasions, this guy would come by and say "hi, how are you today?" I thought..."what the hell...this guy keeps coming around each time we are here and just wants to get a close up look at my wife!" I was rude ... raised eyebrow, stern looks and I guess he got the hint and stopped walking by and being ... "friendly." Come to find out ... later, that he is the husband of an extremely nice lady that works the cafe. They are the nicest couple you could ever meet. It took a while but I think we've made amends and he is friendlier towards me but it took him a while and I felt like a complete arse for treating him that way. Time's passed, he acts as though nothing like that ever happened but I know how I treated him and I don't feel good about it and still remember how he must have felt. Needless to say ... I'm less quick to judge someone cuz they are alone. It takes one couple, then another than another and in time attitudes will change but they are not going to change by posting on a message board. Many of those people probably don't know these things exist. They need to be approached and spoken to, to prove that they don't need to suspect and assume the worst of single people. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 14, 2012 |
YOU obviously didn't read my post OR ... you took my comments out of context! Quote my comments, explain what YOU think I meant by them and I will explain further. One of the issues we seem to have is that some want to compare Europe nudity acceptance and the lack of it in the US. That's a given and not something anyone's gonna change in the near future. But...without openness, communication and socializing ... a single that prefers to be left alone and not be social ... is going to run the risk of the way US naturists treat those like that ... with skeptisim and caution. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 14, 2012 |
I also see your point Olivia and have seen and heard what you are speaking of. Just because "we" enjoy being nude...does NOT give other nudists the right to think that anything and everything goes. Rude comments, personal questions to strangers ... would NOT be permissible in the textile world and they are equally NOT permissible in the nudist world. Some nudist guys and gals think because we've dropped our clothes at the door, that we've also dropped our tact and manners. It should be very easy to find if someone is willing to be social with you. Simply walking by and saying "hello." If they respond with a smile, nod or quick "hello." That should tell you they aren't interested in any further conversation. If the person is reading a book and puts the book down to acknowledge your "hello" ... they "may" want to continue conversation but conversation does NOT include rude or personal comments or questions. I find it hard to believe that guys can't take the hint that when a single female comes to the beach,club or resort, sits alone, opens and book, plugs into her music ... that she prefers to be left alone and not bothered but ... so many single guys and married guys think "they" have what it takes to get her to put the book down. If she wants to talk to you ... you'll know it! LOL Not every guy making conversation is on the prowl. Many of them are happily married, attached ...whatever. Some are just "friendly", like me! I like to meet people and just say "hi". If they continue the conversation, I'll gladly participate. If I get a "courtesy" "hi" in return and that's it...I move on with ..."enjoy your day." I think those that prefer to be alone and not be bothered run the risk of being labeled as unfriendly, unapproachable and ... may be there for the wrong reasons. Is it right? Not always but again...we are typically a non trusting species and always on guard and skeptical of others intensions. Wish it could be different but I can be TOO trusting sometimes! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 13, 2012 |
Ahhhh...come on! WE ALL LOOK! It's how you look, what you're thinking while looking and whether or not you act on those thoughts (making rude remarks or asking inappropriate questions). If we go to a nude venue and partake by taking our clothes off ... do we actually think that no one is looking ... or that it's only the "pervy" married guy/gal, single guy, single girl? I guess because of my light sensitive eyes ... I can now suspect that most will suspect me of gawking and perving because I wear my sunglasses all day when out in the sun and especially around the pool at our nude club or at the beach or any resort we frequent! Have we really gone that far that in order to not be suspected of "looking" we now have to go without sunglasses so we can ALL watch where our eyes are focused! Seems way too much time is being spent on worrying about the other guy instead of going and relaxing and enjoying yourself. If you were/are that concerned about being looked at ... I'd say ... don't go to those places. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 13, 2012 |
But I truly think the fact that you are male, a loner and unsocialible ... automatically makes "some" people suspicious of your intentions ... regardless of "what" we as nudists should think, we are also just people with the same prejudices and hang ups as our textile counterparts. NOT everyone is the same but ... I will guarantee you that each and everyone of us does NOT drop those prejudices with our clothes. It would be awesome for the US to have the same attitude towards nudity as Europe or parts of the Caribbean ... but we don't. WE as Americans have lots of hang ups and are an untrusting bunch of people. One bad apple may not spoil the entire barrel but ... we will usually pass on that barrel everytime if there was a bad apple in the mix and it makes us skeptical of taking an apple from that barrel even after the bad one has been disgarded. Clubs and resorts have some pretty screwed up rules...that's no question. Nudists, both general membership nudists and those in power making the rules are hypocritical and talk outta both sides of their mouths ... sound familiar (politics). Those with the most influence in making the rules are most likely those that live in these communities on a daily basis and they want to make their clubs and resorts for them and their kind ... and some of us ... aren't their kind. Nothing changes by sitting alone by yourself and wanting to be left alone. I've discuss this and argued this with the younger people on this and other sites. If you want change ... you have to get involved and make the changes. They don't happen over night, they don't happen while you're sitting by yourself and they certainly will never happen if you refuse to be sociable. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 12, 2012 |
Correct me if I'm wrong ... but by your own admission, you prefer to be alone and not mingle with people because of your profession. HOW are other nudists suppose to get to know you and form a trust with you if you won't allow them to socialize with you or you with them? WE are a primarily non-trusting people. Just because someone smiles at you and says "hi"...doesn't automatically make them a friend and trustworthy. They must earn that trust and it simply will not happen unless you are willing to be more open and social. There are tell tale signs that some want and need the space and alone time. One female member here states that she plugs into her Ipod, opens her book and that's the sign that most should realize she would rather be left alone. IF you plant yourself in the middle of a social setting, say ... the pool deck, it's pretty much assumed you may be open to being more ... social as oppose to going off and sitting under a tree far away from everyone else. Everyone has their own issues concerning their abilities to practice nudism, becoming social or visiting a club. Sometimes a non landed nudist club works best for those just breaking into the social nudist circle. Don't give up on nudist clubs if you're not willing to meet them and their members half way! ;) Nudies2 Moderator Comment....FireProf, Do you write this strong when it comes to political opinions between Demos, and Repubs ? Thanks for taking the time to participate. ( grin ) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 11, 2012 |
It's a fact of life...males are seen as preditors. YES...women can be equally as preditory but ... the vast majority of preditors are male. You can't change society's thought process. What needs to be done is change the "nudist" thought process so we don't "automatically" assume the way mainstream society does. It's hypocritical for us to expect mainstream society to accept us for who we are ... but we refuse to accept ALL nudists for who they are. A bad person is a bad person. I've met many a couple or married couple that made inappropriate statements, suggestions but in actually ... very few singles that did the same thing. We, nudists, cannot and do not leave our prejudices at the door with our clothes. WE carry those with us inside and until we shed those ... with our clothes, nothing will change within our community. Being naked and being a nudist can't make you suddenly stop being cautious and untrusting. It's up to us to start trusting people...all people til they do something to lose our trust and we deal with them on a case by case basis and not as a group before anyone has the opportunity to prove themselves. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 10, 2012 |
There is probably some legality in calling yourself a "club" as oppose to a "resort". Being a "club" requires membership and annual dues which probably means they can allow who they want and keep out who they don't want. But some "clubs" refer to themselves as "resorts" so ... maybe they are really a "club" but ... what's in a name!? Only rub I have is when people ask about "resorts" and are hinting at resorts with upscale amenities and "clubs" are mentioned and that's not what the person was looking for in a "resort." ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 5, 2012 |
Yah...that's my point! ;) DeAnza refers to themselves as a resort ... and that's their right, but ... when you read the wish/wants on many a nudists list of amenities for a upscale vacation ... DeAnza is not what they are speaking of. Many times the amenities they seek are at places like ... Caliente, DSR, Caliente Carib, Hidden Beach,... Sure ... who cares but when you are giving out information and speaking of amenities available...I just think it's best to be on the same page as the person asking the question or ... what "type" of resort you're speaking of. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 4, 2012 |
I did take the motorhome to Death Valley and it was a good move! The best part was that the 2 dads and 2 sons that bunked with us, on separate nights, did blink an eye to my nude sleeping or getting up in the middle of the night to use the restroom. I was able to get the entire inside cleaned up while nude and the motorhome was sitting our in the street in front of the house...good thing...it was a warm day! Got it back home to my dad and we'll go pick it up again in May for the Glen Eden Car Show. Much better accomodations then last years tent trailer! I do enjoy driving that motorhome in the nude! What a plus! LOL :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 3, 2012 |
LOL... So was this thread started cuz of my distinction between a club and resort!? ;) I'm certain that this, as well as with many other topics concerning nudists, will garner lots of different thoughts and philosophies that defend their own opinions on "what's in a name." For me; A Club = Campground facilities, RV hookups, rental units that mirror RV's or residents homes, family atmosphere, BBQ's, hiking trails, some residents in manufactured homes, golf carts, rec center, cafe, bar, restaurant ... A Resort = hotel type rooms, maid service, room service, restaurant, bar, spa amenities, upscale accomodations and amenities... I'm sure that some will disagree...that's fine, this is just what I use as a gauge to distinguish the two in my mind. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 2, 2012 |
It isn't ... and that is not the point of discussion. My grandkids are equally as well behaved ... the fact is, there is NOTHING for these kids to do when visiting the resorts in question. Why would parents take their kids someplace where there is NOTHING for them to do but sit in a hotel room and watch TV or play video games. They don't lay out in the sun and read, take naps in the sun, socialize with other older nudists ... it just doesn't make sense for children to be allowed at the resorts in question. That's all... :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 2, 2012 |
I agree...say "adults only" and even "nudists" get their towel stuck up their butts and think something "naughty" is happening behind those gates and walls. That's a crock. Does it happen, I'm sure it does but many of these "adult only" nudist venues seem to go the extra mile to ensure that doesn't happen and that they are all about non sexual activity, as if there were kids present but ... without the kids! LOL ...but does a business have to receive gov't funding to be a public business? Do markets, drug stores, the shoe shop, McDonalds ... have to get gov't $$$ to be a public business? I'm not in business so...I don't know for sure. I think the issue is ... what you or I are referring to as a public business. Maybe I should have said ... "open to the public!?" My question was; if these businesses, nude resorts, follow many other laws, such as "no smoking" in eating establishments or in the bar, then how is it that they can skirt some of the other laws that regulate a business? Are they held by the same laws as the non nudist resort down the street? Let me be clear...my wife and I enjoy staying at the Terra Cotta Inn and have been for over 10 years. We are friends of the owners and are hardcore proponents of their resort and their business model. WE prefer going there for the reason that we don't have to deal with small children while relaxing. But ... are we (nudist resorts) skirting the law in regards to discrimination? I DON'T want TCI to change and allow children. We prefer not to visit our favorite place with kids running around. I hope this never happens to some of these places but ... what is the law pretaining to these businesses? I'm speaking in generalities and not specifics. I agree that there are far too many times when we as a society run to the lawyers and courts cuz we aren't getting our way. I don't agree with it and I don't do it but... in these cases, the lawyers and courts don't see it that way and they argue the law and not what we feel should happen or not happen. So...are our nude resorts public businesses or are they "private" businesses that do not have to follow all aspects of the law ... I'm asking a question cuz I don't know. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Apr 1, 2012 |
I think some of these "resorts" walk a fine line when it comes to the broad spectrum of the law. Not knowing the law...I think it's difficult for a "public" business...these resorts are "public" ... to try and dodge the law by their exclusivity toward people being nude...but if my wife and I came in off the street and wanted to tour ... I'm sure they'd allow us to. What "may" happen if this continues and these suits force these resort's hands ... is that some of these resorts will be forced to become "private" resorts with a "membership." That may turn perspective guests away but I know I'd join a few for a nominal annual fee. WE really need to be a bit more specific on the term ... "resort." Those in question and those that most of us are aquainted with in Palm Springs ie: Desert Sun Resort, Terra Cotta Inn, Living Waters Spa ... are "resorts" that are in question about their ability to entertain, have amenities and accomodate children. They can ALL accomodate children but there is absolutely NOTHING for those children to do but use the pool. TCI and LWS are both too small for kids to do anything. They can't run around, they can't play ball. DSR has room for them to roam but even there they can't run around. There is room for them to play ball but it's also adjacent to the "quiet pool!" Clubs (some call themselves resorts) have the most amenities for children and better suited for kids. I just think that some of these resorts are skirting the line of discrimination ... according to the broad spectrum of the law... but again, I don't know the law that well. :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 31, 2012 |
Because I much prefer being nude than I do being clothed. Because I live nude most of the time, conduct life in my home, in my backyard in the nude. Because I prefer vacationing at nudist venues...and do. Because I prefer visiting nude friendly places for the day, like a resort, club or beach...and do. Because ... as I sit in our hotel room in San Diego...we are both nude and prefer to be this way. Because I belong to both national naturist organization. Contribute to their fight to protect our rights as nudists. Because I believe what I do is normal and non threatening and healthy for my mind body and soul. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 31, 2012 |
Sorry...off topic but this hits too close to home for me. BJJB..."broad brush?" Why is it ALWAYS the school's fault? Respect and rules start at home...NOT at school! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 30, 2012 |
It's a risk when you go get the mail in your robe and have it open ... or go get the mail and enjoy walking part of the way naked ... in the middle of the day or during times when you're likely to be seen. "I" have posted numerous times about pushing the "bounderies" with my nudity. I've done it for the past 4.5 years with my neighbor. I almost NEVER wear clothes outside in our backyard. I have been seen by him and his wife too many times to count. I wasn't standing there in front of his second story window so they could see me... I just went about my normal routine of doing what I do ... or what anyone does in their backyard ... if they were clothed. Because of the way I presented my nudity to them is why, I think, they didn't give it a second thought and I was never reported to the police. I've been seen in the same fashion by my 2 story neighbors across the street and they too have taken the attitude that I'm not being lewd, obnoxious or exhibitionist ... but just living normally where I think I have a reasonable expectation of privacy. NOW... with regards to the mail. I have and do go get our mail in my robe ...most times... at very late hours in the evening...how late? Try ... 12:30A to 3:30am. I think I have a good idea of the traffic patterns in my neighborhood that I can do that and expect NOT TO BE SEEN! On occasion, I have encountered a vehicle at those late/early hours and only had one car turn and follow me back to my house. When I stopped and walked to the car to ask what they wanted... they were simply wondering who I was and if I belonged in the neighborhood (neighborhood watch). Then they said..."sorry if we scared you, have a nice night." Robe on ... but tied closed!!! If I were "stupid"... the robe would have been open to prove a dumb point ... and that's not why "I" do what I do. If the opportunity arises to go to the mailbox and walk with an open robe...I'll take it ... as long as I know I'm not exposed to anyone else. It's NOT about the exposure as much as it is the free feeling to enjoy it for myself and NOT my neighbors. Another example would be: Each year our club holds a "Nude Attitude Car Show" on the club grounds. It's is sponsered by a car club outside the nudist club and it is open to the public! For the last two years, we have participated with a classic car. Last year it was warm enough to be naked the entire time... I WAS! Now...you can argue that the textiles know what they are getting into and should realize that they "may" see naked people but even some of the guest and residents of the club come to look at the cars and cover while they are mixing with the public. I chose not to...as did many other members and nudist participants with their cars on display. It's not about exposing yourself to others...It's about exposing them to another way of life and to show them that it really isn't as horrible as they think or were told to think. If this group of people hated being around naked people...this car club would not hold this car show at our club year after year after year. :) But...with some nudists feeling that doing these things might be wrong, stupid, unnecessary, inappropriate ... I stand by my initial post that maybe ... it's "us" we should fear! Obviously...these are my opinions and everyone is entitled to their's ... as long as they don't infringe on mine or refer to my opinions as wrong! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 30, 2012 |
After months of searching, asking others and just about ready to give up...we found a massage therapist that will take us on as clients and is mobile! I was in my favorite watering hole and talking to the female owner. She knows we are nudists and occasionally will ask questions about the lifestyle and the various clubs and resorts. I explained that I was in desperate need of a massage therapist to come to the house and take me on as a client. She told me about her massage therapist and gave me her number. I made the appointment and anticipated her arrival! Yesterday morning she arrived. I was in lounge pants and flannel shirt. Our fake fireplace was lit and the room darken as much as it could be at 11am. We talked for a bit and then she told me to disrobe completely while she used the restroom and washed her hands. I stripped, got under the tie dye sheets and she came out of the restroom asking if I was ready. We talked, getting to know each other, for the first half of the massage. She began to use some techniques she learned while living and practicing in Hawaii. While I listen to hawaiian music playing in the background...she gave me a great massage. I remained somewhat draped but there were times when I was again exposed more than I thought "she" would be comfortable with. Afterwards, she went back into the bathroom to wash her hands and I got up and walked into our room to get my robe. She came out of the bathroom and we talked quite a bit about in home massage, her techniques, her teachings and ... the trust factor with your therapist. Our next session will be in a couple of weeks. At that time I will tell her that we are nudists but I'm sure she's aware of that and probably is more comfortable about that than I think. She's an older woman, heavy set, hippish and was obviously braless wearing a tie dye t shirt. We are going to hit it off just great. She seems very comfortable with me and I with her. It's now time to get the Prof onboard with scheduling a session and get the "trust" factor in place for some outside, naked massages under the patio cover in the summer! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 28, 2012 |
I'm ready to step in it! LOL I'll agree that resort owners have the right to have a "no children" policy. Our favorite resort is adults only and in the last 12 years of visiting there on a regular basis...I can tell you that those that broke the "no funny business" rule at the resort... the owners showed them the door...post haste! No children is okay but ... we should not exclude them completely. What we have currently is a misuse or overly used term..."resort." Many clubs are now calling themselves resorts and though they may technically be...it's not the same as what many naturist consider a "resort" they are speaking of. The three nudist resorts in Palm Springs really don't have any amenities for children. The largest one has the room but for as long as we've visited, we've not seen any "play" equipment for children. The other two are too small for kids with NO amenities at all. Kids would be bored to death. I wouldn't take our grandkids to either of these resorts even if they did allow children. For what they want and need...a club works much better. NOW...the problem I see with what is happening at the resort in question, that is now being sued...is the fact that their story is changing from website to website. I've bantered back and forth with the owners of DSR about some of this and was merely trying to get a truthful statement but I was unable to because they wouldn't answer a simple question. In the beginning...DSR stated that they were changing their policy regarding children because they had installed two fire rings and feared for the children's safety and to avoid any issues with injury lawsuits or insurance problems as a result in an injury, burn or otherwise because of these new fire ring areas. NOW, according to a newspaper article, the owners are stating that they are concerned for the children because of pedophiles and photographs taken of them while they are nude. Yet...they have a NO CAMERA policy and you'd hope they did some sort of screening of their perspective guests. Now I realize that you can't find out everything about everyone...but...if you had that concern...wouldn't you police the pool deck on a regular basis? Look out for any suspecious activity? Have some type of process to check people out? There was NO other reason for this "no children" policy than to bow to some that just wanted a getaway from kids...which was fine but the owners of DSR are now backpeddling instead of just sticking to their guns. They also thought it was so funny that another resort was being pressured to allow kids. They even went as far to post several comments about calling the other resort if you wanna take your kids but if you don't...come stay with us! ...now the flip flop's on the other feet...not so much fun now is it? I think it's sad that we have nudists pitted against each other. What was that thread on "who we should fear most?" Didn't I say..."us!" ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 27, 2012 |
It would be great to have textile parents read what these Nude Campers had to say, have them comment on the kid's writings about camp, ask them if this camp is someplace they would consider sending their kid and then tell them...it was a Nude Camp! Then ask them...would you still send your kid? My wife and I donated thru our non-landed club to sponser kids that wanted to go but their parents had financial hardships. Once I retired...$$$ got tight and we had to cut back but...that may change in the future and we'll get back to donating toward this awesome program. IF...we could go back and have the opportunity to send our two kids to this type of camp...we would have done it in a heart beat. I think it would be beneficial to have our granchildren attend but...their parents would probably not be in favor. I think our oldest grandaughter could use it. She's of that age where her ideas of fashion and body image are scewed by TV, magazines and the computer. I'm not sure how it, nude Youth Camp, works but I really think there should be a separation of boys and girls at different points in camp so the girls and boys can discuss and ask questions they may be embarrassed to discuss in mixed company...then they would get together and discuss what is pertinent for mixed group discussion. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 22, 2012 |
It's difficult for me to participate because...I'm not sure I've ever been alone! LOL Oldest of 7, the Navy for 4 years and then the Fire Dept for 32...not much alone time in almost 40 years! LOL But...in all seriousness, I've started to grow accustom to being alone since I retired and my wife is still working. But it's certainly not the same as some of you experience. She does come home in the evenings...and we don't travel alone. We are usually with family or friends...or each other. She, on the other hand, enjoys her alone time. She likes the quiet and doesn't feel the need to be social all the time. I am finding that I can be alone but I also tend to be...nosey! I like to watch people and where some of you may engross yourselves in a book and not look up for long periods of time...I'm always lookin' around, waving and smilin' at people. For a upcoming camping trip...she will be alone for 4 days and she is really looking forward to it. I could get by but...by the second day...I'd be going a little nuts. ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 22, 2012 |
I don't think that was the intent of SB's topic... I think it was more in line with a situation we have in our family that better aligns with what the intent of the topic is about or was intented to be discussed. My wife and I are full time nudists. WE don't live in a nudist community but our home and backyard are as close as we will get for a while. We have to wear clothes from time to time...even in our home. We have to wear clothes to work and when we leave the house...that's a given. Even those that live in a nudist community have to do that. But...our lives and our way of thinking is different than our daughter's thinking about this lifestyle. She and her family are not full time nudists...they are part time nudists. They will visit the nude beach a couple times a year. They will vacation at a nude resort, with us, but that's only every 2-3 years. They use their hot tub nude, sometimes, but don't skinny dip regularly. Their outlook is that...nudity and nudism is fine...it's just not something they do all the time. They don't go about the house naked and frankly don't feel the need to or desire to. We, on the other hand, walk thru the door and are stripping as we're walking. They'll sleep nude on occasion but not every night. They'd never sleep nude anywhere other then at home and most times...not in a hotel. WE sleep nude anywhere and everywhere...we can't sleep unless we are naked...seriously. They are fine with and respect and support our lifestyle and even talk maturely and openly about it to their friends ... but they are no where near where we are with regards to living as full time nudists. They enjoy visiting nude venues, on occasion, but it's not their first option or choice on their list of places to visit or stay...where in our case...we always look for nudist venues when we travel or...scout out accomodations that are conducive to our being naked in our hotel/motel rooms and balconies when they are available. If there are obstecles that hinder or prohibit our nudity when staying someplace...we make adjustments or arrangements to accomodate our nudity. The topic was not to pit one group of people that think differently than others. Some don't have the same ability to do what some of us are able to...logistically or otherwise. This was about what we thought the differences might be in the minds of those that love, live it, partake in it...as opposed to those that see it more as a past time or occasional recreational getaway and don't love it, live it and only partake in it once in a while. Along with being naked at home as much as possible...I'm on the computer quite a bit discussing nudist issues. My daughter would not even think about joining a nudist website to discuss these things. She will, on the other hand, go online to scout out some nudist venues they "may" want to visit in the future. I think that's what SB was getting at! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 21, 2012 |
I don't know man...I think you need to refocus on something more important than visiting a nude club or resort! Your wife doesn't want you to see her nude anymore!!? I think ya need to focus on that issue and reconnect with your wife instead of thinking about visiting a nudist venue. My thoughts anyway! It just doesn't make sense to me that people who are married, share a life together, deal with some good and bad times during a marriage...can not or will not share the most intimate parts of their bodies to someone they want to live their entire lives together. ??? Good luck to you but...if you find a nudist female "friend" to go to the clubs or resorts with...you may have more issues at home, afterwards, then your wife not wanting you to see her naked! Sorry for getting off topic! | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 20, 2012 |
LOL...I've got some too! LOL but I'm still less interesting! ;) There is/was a female nudist on the web a while back. She lives in Florida. She had two websites...one was "My Nude Life" and the other was "Your Nude Life." MNL was sorta "vanilla/milk chocolate"...controversial and "open" discussion but kept it away from lots of topics you either don't see or site owners stay away from. YNL was..."dark Chocolate" and anything goes! It was quite interesting and fun, open discussion on lots and lots of stuff. Some of it was better left...undiscussed! LOL Anyway...just thought I'd let you know that just cuz your boobs are bigger...you weren't the only one with them! LOL ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudist Thoughts - Full-Timers vs Part-Timers |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 18, 2012 |
Even, at times, this has affected our own home. My wife, the 95%+, conflicted nudist, exhibited some of these traits today. 95%+, conflicted nudist = she has more clothes than any nudist at that % that I can imagine. She likes to buy clothes and wears clothes to work but... consistantly will tell me that we need to go home or go someplace to be naked...when she's been wearing clothes for a period of time...like when we're out shopping or especially when she's been working all day. This morning we will be watching 3 or 5 grandkids. They will be arriving any minute. After my wife got up this morning, she took her shower and got completely dressed at 7:30a. I remained naked until just a few minutes ago. She "doesn't like scurrying around to put something on"... 30 mins before they arrive! I, on the other hand, will stay naked til they are knocking at the door! LOL But...I think the topic is gearing this discussion toward those of us that live this lifestyle every minute possible and those that live it for a weekend getaway, a day trip to a place or vacation annually someplace. There is a difference in our thoughts about the lifestyle and how we live, socialize and recreate. I think...anyway! :D | |
| Absolute Naturists search results for your name reveal that your a nudist |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 18, 2012 |
I also just did a search with my real name and nudist handle. Not much has changed. I think for those that know I'm a nudist...and know my handle...it wouldn't be hard to see who FireProf really is. Using my real name...a Yahoo and Google search didn't bring much up other than a FaceBook page. I probably not as interesting as you are SB! LOL ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudist Thoughts - Full-Timers vs Part-Timers |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 18, 2012 |
Absolutely! ;) I've seen the difference in this within our own circle of "nudist" friends. The difference is the preception that "part-timers" don't see or feel the need to be naked all the time. Full time nudists...don't see or feel the need to get dressed at all...but reluctantly do when venturing into the textile world. I also think that "part-timers" see their social and recreational time as "party" time but the "Full timers" don't see nude time as party time because...they don't "party" every minute of the day. I've also witnessed that many "full timers" don't partake in all of the dances and events that are geared toward the "weekend" crowds which usually is made up of "part timers." Those are my thoughts and observations...anyway! ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Who should nudist fear most? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 18, 2012 |
To a degree...I'd have to say..."us." When you have certain..."nudists" or "recreational nudists" denouncing the opinions and philosophies of others, when you have these same "nudists" making statements about there not being a need for children to be involved, when you have these same "nudists" pressuring resorts to ban children and... I am included in this...when you have "nudists" that aren't as upfront as they should be to family and friends about their nudist lifestyle. I do NOT what to turn this into a topic of "why" we should or shouldn't be "open" about our nudism...that is NOT the intent. I just think our fear of secrecy about our nudism is alsol something we should fear about "us." For some of us...this is a way of life...something we live each day and most everyday in some way. We are not "just" nude sleepers, nude swimmers, nude hot tubbers... many of us go about our daily lives living as much as possible in the nude. I think "recreational" nudists are okay, some of them may even convert to full time nudist lifestyles or at least head that way. Others...participate in a less involved fashion and may sleep naked, do occasional skinny dippin and even go naked all the time in there hot tub but in most cases will not be nude in and around their homes when it's possible to do. I think we've seen the differences in the type of lifestyle that some, even here on A N Group, live as nudists. More later! ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudists and Body Image Hang Ups |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 14, 2012 |
Both of you guys are reading WAY too much into what I said and...assumed I was talking about myself when I was speaking of the many, so called, "tolerant, accepting and friendly" nudists...most everyone speaks of, that dominate our community. The fact is...we are just people, being a nudist doesn't change a darn thing. You all still have your hang ups, your prejudices, your philosophies on politics, religion, ... living, and just because you and I don't like to wear clothes...doesn't take any of that away, make us the same or get close to either of us thinking the same. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Offensive vs. Discomfort - Is there a difference? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 13, 2012 |
Offensive; physical abuse of women and children. Yes...I know it can happen to men as well but the vast majority of physical abuse is to women and children. The fact that people in the United States of America are homeless and hungry. Greed and intolerance, hatefulness, bigotry, dishonesty... Discomfort; Gay and lesbian intimate physical interaction in public. I think for many, my age, we are growing more accustom to seeing displays of affection between same sex relationships but it isn't as easy to accept for us as it is our children...but we are making great strides at becoming less...discomforted by it. Watching my grandchildren, my daughter's or my wife cry. Even if they did something wrong...it is a discomfort and I tend to comfort them during those times. Offense/offensive is the word used by so many people because they don't want to use the words...embarrassed or uncomfortable. Being embarrassed or uncomfortable makes them feel weak and unaccepting...so if they say...something is "offensive" that makes it sound as though everyone else is behind them and it's something everyone feels the same about. If someone admits to being embarrassed or uncomfortable ... it can be felt as though they are immature, insensitive and not accepting...usually if it's something outside the "norm." If...nudity was truly offensive to someone, could they honestly stand nude in front of a mirror and see themselves or their loved ones naked? Nudity truly isn't offensive...it just makes people that are not nudists...uncomfortable...causing discomfort! :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudists and Body Image Hang Ups |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 13, 2012 |
I'm becoming less and less convinced that nudists are "friendlier," "more accepting," "open-minded," "tolerant" etc... and especially free of any body image or hang ups. Time and time again I see women needing to cover their butts with a sarong each time they get up outta their chairs or lounges to go to the Cafe, restroom, walk over and talk to someone... I've actually asked a few that I felt comfortable asking and thankfully they were honest. "I think my butt's too big and just try and hide it some." THAT's a hang up! Though the numbers of men that cover up with a towel are much less, this seems to be more common with the younger males and it's NOT to hide an erection! It's lack of self confidence or embarrassment or... a body image hang up like..."I don't think I measure up." I think I feel pretty good about myself but there are times when I walk pass the sliding glass doors of our rec center at the club and see my reflection and say to myself..."damn man...you need to lose some weight!" And... I consider myself a pretty well adjusted nudist of over 40 yrs but I still have issues with myself and my body...I don't think any of us don't have times when we think we could look better or we don't care for the way we look and want to do something to make us look better like, exercise or diet. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Poll - Best State in the USA for Nudism? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 11, 2012 |
You can have that same reaction to approaching Olive Dell Ranch, here in So. Cal. Very rustic entry and though my wife will go with me, it's not her favorite but it's because the owners are so nice and approachible and we've met some great people/friends there that she is willing to look past the rusticness of the entry to the club and will go back time and time again. I know there's Mira Vista near Tucson and Shangri La in New River...there used to be a B&B in Sedona but don't know of any other "nudist" places in AZ...are there others? Florida, on the other hand, has a very active nudist movement and they seem to work well with the authorities and law makers so that there are places where we can still be nude in public, such as some of the beaches. | |
| Absolute Naturists Pole Dancing at Nudist Clubs... Should it be allowed? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 11, 2012 |
LOL....I have a hard enough time with the horizontal pole to do pull ups! LOL | |
| AANR Updates memoriam: JEANNETTE DeROSIER |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 11, 2012 |
I was fortunate enough to be introduced to Jeannette at the very resort at which this photo was taken. Very nice lady, friendly toward me and my wife. Very sad to hear of her passing. | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 11, 2012 |
Tomorrow...I'll be going to either, Glen Eden, San Onofre Beach or...Blacks (for the first time). I WILL be driving, to which ever one I decide on, in the nude! About time...it's been too long! LOL | |
| LA Naturists Where to go nude? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 11, 2012 |
I need to vacate the house tomorrow while the housecleaning lady is here. Not sure whether to brave the cooler temps at San O Beach, Blacks (for the first time) or head to the Club...Glen Eden....decisions, decisions... | |
| Home Nudists Who Knows ? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 11, 2012 |
Our daughter's, their husbands and our grandchildren. They have been nude here, been nude with us at the beach and took a week long vacation with us to a nude beach resort in the Caribbean. They really enjoyed it and want to go again. We are certain that our circle of textile friends knows but no one is asking questions and my wife's wish is that she be the one to tell them when the time is right for her. Almost ALL our girl's friends know we are nudists and several of them have asked us questions. We've even had one couple go with us to the nude beach twice and want to go again and want to go on the nude vacation with us when we all go again. I was of the notion that EVERYBODY (our textile friends) needed to know...but as time passes...I really don't care anymore. I thought..."if we tell them, who knows, maybe they will be interested in trying it as well, we may have a couple of closet nudists in the circle" but they've all made jokes or comments about nudity that tells us they probably aren't interested and I don't want to waste my time with them on this particular part of our life. I think it's important for your kids to know. It can be a point of continued friction in a relationship if one partner wants to tell their kids and the other wants to keep it a secret. What's been so great about our girls knowing...we tell them where we are going and give them the information to get ahold of us if needed. If we don't have our cell phones with us...they can call the front desk, front office, security and we can be reached in case of emergency. They also check the websites out and figure out if they or they and their friends want to go check it out on their own. With this method to my madness...hehehe...I'm fostering a nudist recreation life in our girls and their kids. Our grandkids know and love coming over here for many reasons but one of the most fun is that they don't have to worry about running around naked or being naked in the pool. | |
| Absolute Naturists Poll - Best State in the USA for Nudism? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 10, 2012 |
Yah...I agree that the weather in AZ doesn't deal with "some" of those things that FL does but...FL has several more nudist venues to visit than AZ. AZ, like CA and HI...are ALL great places with great climates but...the political and religious climate seems to trump and hinder the nudist friendly environment. :( | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 10, 2012 |
We have several... "Sit On It" Bare Butt towels. We've got um in the house and in our cars...for those times when...we might do a little nude driving! :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Poll - Best State in the USA for Nudism? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 10, 2012 |
I'd have to agree....Florida. I wish it was California but I scratch my head regularly at so many of the laws, ordinances and the willingness for authority to bend and bow to the likes of a very few people who have their heads up there... ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Security Gates - Should Nude/CO clubs have them? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 10, 2012 |
Security Gates are not so much for "security", in my opinion, as much as they are in place to stop those not knowing what they are about to encounter and keep those out that just wish to treat us like a zoo exhibit. ;) We've not been to a club that did not have some sort of gate to keep unsuspecting, gawking, or the "general" public from just walking in and walking around. The difference, I see, from clubs and the beach is that almost all beaches I've ever been on where public. What I do wish is that there was some sort of "boundery" or "gate" that kept the textiles off our beach. Now...saying that...I know that some here will come to these poor textiles defense and state that they have every right to invade our portion of the "public" beach, but it doesn't work...visa versa and...ALL it takes is for one of those people to make the trek all the way to our "remote" area and suddenly become..."uncomfortable" enough to complain. I like the security gates at the clubs. I like knowing that those coming into the clubs are either going to participate or are at least curious enough to participate for the tour and then decide if it's for them or not. Our club has a Car Show each year. They "move" the security gate from it's permanent position to the entrance up to the rec center. The general public can come to the car show and there are some participants (me and my wife) and day guests or residents that wonder thru the car show in the nude. The general public gets to witness that at that time but...it's usually only those that are brave enough to be nude amongst the overwhelming numbers of textiles. | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 8, 2012 |
Wow...that's awesome! I'm hoping to drive from So. Cal...San Diego area...to Laguna Del Sol in a motorhome and do it naked as well! I'll keep everyone posted on this group when it happens! FP | |
| When your spouse is not a nudist When your spouse is not a nudist... |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 7, 2012 |
It is unique because it's usually the guys that are so comfortable with nudity and socializing nude but... I have made several female friends on the internet that are in Dina's flip flops! :) They not only love being a nudist, are nude at home most times but love the social aspect of nudism and enjoy visiting all kinds of different places but...they also have significant others that are not interested at all in traveling to places and socializing nude and want to just stay home and not share that with others. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Like Minded - What Does That Really Mean? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 7, 2012 |
I'll have to admit that I too used the term "like-minded" too loosely as well, in the past. I continued to use it while trying to explain something or give advice to a new person trying social nudism but thought about it more after giving them advice. About the only thing we really have "completely" in common and are "like-minded" about is...being naked...but even that isn't "completely" true. For some of us...being naked is like...breathing is to all of mankind. We want it, need it and have to have it to survive. For others...not so much. They can take being naked or leave it and don't put as much emphasis on it as some of us do. So even many of us nudists aren't like-minded about being naked! LOL I've since changed my postings and advice to exclude the use of "like-minded" and exchanged the words "in common" instead. "What else do you have in common with other nudists?" or "Find out what else you might have in common with other nudists." We've met people that have children, grandchildren, like we do, have similar jobs, similar interests BUT...the "friendship" stopped when they found out we not only told our kids and grandkids about our nude lifestyle, we have even taken them with us on nude day trips and vacations! They didn't agree and the conversations and socializing...stopped! LOL | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 7, 2012 |
Dina, Is your husband not into camping? If so...naked camping is awesome...although my wife and I don't really..."camp." We either tent trailer or motorhome it but... nonetheless, we cook outside and enjoy the outdoors. You'll have to find out why he's not into the "camp" scene. Many of the "clubs" are quite nice and offer lots and lots of activities, events, dances...it can be quite fun. Best part of going to clubs is that you can be off by yourselves to watch what goes on and see for yourselves that the environment is like any other park or camp ground except no one's wearing clothes. If the "camping" aspect is what he isn't into...there are some "resorts" that may interest him. Some are more lively (dances, live music) than others, some are a bit more quiet but the social aspect is there and you meet some really great people. We've met our circle of closest friends a nude resorts and clubs! Maybe a bit more info on why he's not into the "camps" would help us give you more advice. FP :) | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 5, 2012 |
I'm certain the vast majority of singles here and many couples sympathize with you that are from here...it's those that either own the resorts/clubs or are part of the governing board that come up with these rules. Usually because they had a few or even several incidents or complaints, be they valid or not, with single males, the rules changed and many of these ol' timers are still there and still in control of the gates! Along with those rules...there are some rules that the younger people just don't like. Young people don't like being told they can't do...ANYTHING! They are more resistant to authority and so many of them feel as though they are equal to anyone and everyone...there's hardly any respect for those older than they are. When these young people come to visit clubs and they are handed a sheet to sign with the multitude of rules...many of them say..."the hell with it, we'll just get together at home and not deal with all these rules!" I'll have to rescend my previous post about singles exclusion being the barrier and change it to this reason... ;) | |
| Questions, Help and Support Welcome to NudistClubhouse.com |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 5, 2012 |
Dina, I can answer this for you because I am the main moderator of a few and help moderate a few others. First and foremost you want to read the group's heading because some of them require a picture and your profile filled out a bit...more than your age, city, state, marital status. They want to know a bit more about you and what you bring to that particular group. Not ALL groups are like this but it's best to contact the group owner via email if you'd rather discuss you joining a bit more privately. Some female members don't like to put too much info out there so contacting the group owner can get you around the "private" profile issue. Once you're in a group you'd like to join...up in the heading area of the group is a blue button that states; Join Group. Click the button and wait for the group owner to allow you access! Enjoy and see ya around the boards! FireProf Group Owner and Moderator | |
| Single Nudists Unite! Does single exclusion mean barrier to young people |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 5, 2012 |
You are correct Wayne...I didn't mention it because I was assuming we were speaking of single AANR or TNS members and not someone who was not. :) I understand that "anyone" can be an "associate" member of either organization and that being a member of either org is not an automatic pass for entry into a landed or non landed club but it is a start... What the rub is, is that even those singles that are AANR or TNS members for some time are STILL having problems getting into AANR affiliated clubs! That is not right.. It is very possible that this singles exclusion can be a barrier to young people visiting and joining a club or naturism. Many of them are not "attached" and still do recreational things as a group. If the group is comprised of more males than females and they go to visit a club...I would imagine that a club may have some issues with allowing ALL the single males in and that's not right or fair. | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 5, 2012 |
I think you have a better chance of getting into a club as a single male than you do as a married male with a non participating spouse! One way in, as a single male, is to join a non landed club and visit with the club every chance you get. Establishing yourself through repetitive visits and recognition always helps. I know that our club allows single males but you'll have to jump through some hoops! An interview, tour and then ... believe it or not... you'll be watched and you never know if it's just others who routinely don't trust any male there alone or ... one of those members/residents asked to keep an eye on you. For the record...I went through this and I hated it! What bothered me more was the change in attitude towards me once they found out I was a firefighter...like that made me better or more trustworthy than the next guy. I've visited Deer Park and Olive Dell and they are not quite as ... uptight about the rules for singles. FP | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 4, 2012 |
The way around this is to have my SIL visit with our daughter. He's unwilling to get naked but will tour...but the club insists he be naked. Not sure if Sun Singles is the way to go with my daughter being married and having a reluctant partner/spouse. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Pole Dancing at Nudist Clubs... Should it be allowed? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 4, 2012 |
[ Quote: Jim...FireProf, you comment raises the question, what do you know about garter belts to hold dollar bills? Have you frequented such locations? Just kidding, I really don't expect a reply....end Quote] Frequented? No but have I been in them...absolutely! I was a sailor and I am a man. Any man that denies going into one is either or liar or ... has no right to critize anyone that has...cuz he has NO IDEA what goes on in there from his own eyes and perspective! LOL | |
| Absolute Naturists Pole Dancing at Nudist Clubs... Should it be allowed? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 4, 2012 |
Thanks Gaijin... I was uncertain about that! LOL (rolling my eyes!) LOL | |
| Absolute Naturists Pole Dancing at Nudist Clubs... Should it be allowed? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 4, 2012 |
Shouldn't be an issue unless those using the "pole" begin wearing garters for dollar bills! LMAO!!! (just trying to add a bit of humor) | |
| San Onofre Nude Beach San Onofre Beach updates |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 4, 2012 |
John, If there was/were, I think NAC and Friends of San O Beach would have come up with one. Mass mailings/emails to the governor may help bring ..."some"...attention but I'm thinking that with ALL the other stuff happening in our state...nudists wanting their beach back is a low priority and we aren't a vocal group. Though most of us vote, I doubt seriously that being a nudist trumps being a nudist democrat or nudist republican... LOL I wish there was something that could be done but I find it difficult to imagine that Allen Baylis, lawyer, President of the Friends of San O Beach group and board member of the NAC, hasn't thought of or tried just about everything! ;) | |
| Single Nudists Unite! Does single exclusion mean barrier to young people |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 4, 2012 |
Yeah Calm...we have that list of single friendly clubs. It's just that our club is so close and I see the "rules" broken ALL the time...but only for those "friends" of people that work or live at our club. We have a way in...we just would rather do it the "right" way...or follow the "rules" but they aren't for everyone. While on the subject of young people and nudism...I really feel that the younger people HAVE to get involved, join and THEN make suggestions for change...NOT...demand changes before they'll come! ;) | |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 4, 2012 |
These clubs are private and they can allow anyone they want in or not allow anyone they want to keep out... but it bothers me that they hide behind a "standard" set by the national organization and not follow those standards! I think single exclusion and married couples wishing to join separately excluded is really hurting the clubs. I have a grown daughter that would love to join but her husband does not want to...currently. All our daughter's friends would like to go try it out...but not without our daughter. But our club won't allow her to visit without her husband. There are potentially 6 - 8 new members for our club and they are excluding them by not allowing my daughter to visit alone. These barriers are not only archaic but are definately keeping the younger people away. It's left a definate ... bad taste in my mouth, and it's definately affected the amount of time or energy I want to commit to our club. :( | |
| San Onofre Nude Beach San Onofre Beach updates |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 3, 2012 |
Nilo, Is the volleyball group still going to San O? I had heard from a few on the south end of the beach that the rangers put the Marine Base Commodor between a rock and hard place and it forced his hand to send MP's down the beach to run off civilians. I think I'll still go down there and check it out if the weather's good next week. ;) | |
| Absolute Naturists Pole Dancing at Nudist Clubs... Should it be allowed? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 3, 2012 |
I don't know for sure... I'm wondering why there is such a connection with pole dancing and strippers! Is it because the pole represents a penis? Is it the movements or positions a "dancer/user" is in that suggests sex? I've seen some pretty amazing yoga positions that leave nothing to the imagination but...we aren't suppose to care about those types of postions or think of them as "sexual" but I'll guarantee that many, many guys are liking the limberness of those participating and their ablilities to twist and contort their limbs in all kinds of positions! LOL I wonder...is there a context that "pole dancing" can co-exist at a nudist club, such as an "exercise class" or is ALL pole dancing only for strippers and dancers at...'"gentlemen's clubs and considered...sexual!" :) | |
| Absolute Naturists Nudist B&B's |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 3, 2012 |
It's because these small CO B&B's are most like...home. I'm equally as surprised that so many guys want advice on how to take their reluctant wive's to a resort for their first experience, and then find out that "she" doesn't even partake in nudity at home! Small nude venues, even clubs, are best for those first timers. At a club, you can go off and be alone and watch from a distance. The reluctant partner may not even get undressed. It's a great ice breaker but...in most cases...it's really best that the reluctant spouse is at least somewhat comfortable with nudity at home before he/she is exposed to this with others...even at a distance. ;) I'd love to own/operate a nude B&B but my wife isn't interested. We have nudist friends stay with us on occasion and she stresses out on entertaining them...can't imagine how stressed she'd be cooking, cleaning up and providing a good time for strangers! LOL :) | |
| you're friends aren't nudists?! How do you let on that you are a nudist ? |
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FireProf Posted: Mar 1, 2012 |
I believe I will have to have a conversation with these new neighbors and tell them about us. Our current neighbor has been so accepting that it will be hard to have someone new move in and cause trouble for us. I am in the process of replacing some landscaping that will most likely cause some minor damage to our walkway, in time, but I feel the need to give us the privacy we want and need from those that may not understand what we do and how we live. We'll see what happens! :) | |
| Nude Sailors What was your rate/rank and job onboard ship? |
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FireProf Posted: Feb 29, 2012 |
I was a Machinist Mate 3rd Class, when I was discharged in '75. I worked the Main Engine room, throttles. After returning from Vietnam in '73, I was "promoted" to Engineering Dept. Yoeman...LOL It really was a promotion...got me outta the bilges! LOL I was singled out because I could type and thus started my stint in the Engineering Dept. Office working for the Engineering Officer. I was still given the duty of Main Control throttles when leaving and arriving in port and during GQ. At least the throttles was a clean job in a dirty environment! LOL | |
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